Re: Questions about GIL and web services from a n00b
Today I just happened to watch this session from PyCon 2011 on gevent and gunicorn: http://blip.tv/file/4883016 gevent uses greenlet, fwiw. I found it informative, but then I find most things informative. s H -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Career path - where next?
I would second the recommendation for Django: on LinkedIn, the python jobs postings (there is a Python group there) most often mention Django. I also would second the recommendation to participate in open source projects. I met a couple of days ago with a college sophomore who is a core contributor to the Cappuccino project(cappuccino.org -- warning: not Python s). My employer said, on my relating the pleasant and interesting conversation we had, he doesn't need to finish college: anyone would hire him. From a selfish (to you and to me s) perspective, may I suggest the pyjamas (pyjs.org) project and accompanying visual designer (http://pyjsglade.sourceforge.net), which brings the GWT widgets to Python, for desktop and web apps. Selfish to me because I'm porting our VFP framework to there over the next year or so. To you because, well, you've been spoiled by having the most productive data-oriented software development framework available, past or present, for maybe as many years as have I (21 at this point, started with FoxPro 1.0), and that's the end result at which I'm aiming. Hank -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Tkinter: The good, the bad, and the ugly!
On Thursday, December 30, 2010 9:59:09 AM UTC-5, kw wrote: Any GUI framework is going to require at least some heavy lifting in C, C++ or Objective-C (depending on the platform). A pure-Python approach to GUI development is technically infeasible. -- Kevin Walzer Code by Kevin http://www.codebykevin.com So I thought. Then I came across a framework (Cappucinno.org) and a Visual Designer (280Atlas.com) written entirely in JavaScript (well, Objective-J which gets compiled to JavaScript). Check out 280Slides.com or http://githubissues.heroku.com/#280north/cappuccino for examples of what can be done using JavaScript, and 280Atlas.com for a video of their visual designer. If that designer can be written in JavasScript (it runs on the web, BTW, and only as an after-thought as a desktop app), then it can be done in Python. Having worked for 20 years in a windows-based development tool that painted controls (giving them fake hwnd's) to get enough speed to run on Windows, this was a real game-changer for me. Hank -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Tkinter: The good, the bad, and the ugly!
That (the desktop app issue) was the big game-change for me. It looks like a desktop app, it acts like a desktop app, and our enterprise customers would be delighted to a) have no installs to do for fat clients; or b) not have to run a TS or Citrix farm. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Tkinter: The good, the bad, and the ugly!
1) pyjamas has a desktop version. 2) I don't consider JSONRpc to be a deal-breaker, and since that's what pyjamas uses naturally, and since it's incredibly easy to use the Python middleware of your choice for the JSONRpc server, running in different browsers is unlikely to be an issue. 3) I don't think legacy apps should be a consideration in deciding what tooling is going to be built today: building for all the yesterdays is a recipe for stagnation. Besides, the legacy apps have their own toolsets for maintenance: if they are to be converted, converting them to a form that can run anywhere (using, e.g., PhoneGap to access native UI hooks) seems to me the best choice. That said, pyjamas has only the beginnings of a visual designer (pyjsglade at http://sourceforge.net/projects/pyjsglade/). It's being written in Python, too, which should please you (as it does me -- so much so that I volunteered to be a documenter for the project). I think pyjamas combined with pyjsglade could be the foundation for a pythonic ui development environment that could carry us forward for many years to come, unlike those available today in Python. Hank PS: At first I thought you were going to do a riff on The Plan from years ago. I had broken 5 ribs in multiple places in a bicycling accident 2 days before when a friend faxed it to me (it was that far back): I can't tell you how much it hurt to laugh so hard. s But this isn't a laughing matter: I see it as the main impediment to opening up Python to the kinds of programmers who used Access, VB6 and VFP to build the kinds of domain-knowledge-specific apps that continue to enhance many workplaces. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
