Re: Editor Ergonomics [was: Important features for editors]
On Wednesday, July 10, 2013 2:17:12 PM UTC+10, Xue Fuqiao wrote: * It is especially handy for selecting and deleting text. When coding I never use a mouse to select text regions or to delete text. These operations I do using just the keyboard. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Important features for editors
On Thursday, July 4, 2013 5:32:59 PM UTC+10, cutems93 wrote: I am researching on editors for my own reference. On the Windows platform there is the Zeus editor: http://www.zeusedit.com/python.html It does the standard syntax highlighting, code folding and smarting indent etc etc. It's also scriptable (in Python) making which makes it highly configurable. The keyboard is fully configurable and my keyboard mapping of choice is Brief (there's an EMACS keyboard mapping but no vim mapping). I couldn't live without the keyboard macro record and playback. The automatic ctags also helps to navigate large code bases. User defined templates help with common programming constructs like if, while, for etc. I never was a big fan of code folding but have grow to use that feature a lot. NOTE: I'm the author of Zeus, it is shareware, runs natively on the Windows platform and can run on Linux using Wine. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Editor Ergonomics [was: Important features for editors]
On Sunday, July 7, 2013 12:41:02 PM UTC+10, Steven D'Aprano wrote: I am not an ergonomic expert, but I understand that moving from mouse to keyboard actually helps prevent RSI, because it slows down the rate of keystrokes and uses different muscle groups. After 20+ years of coding using the Brief keyboard mapping I have so far I've gotten by with no perceivable RSI. On the half dozen occasions that I can recall experienced wrist pain, I remember the pain being worst when trying to interfacing with the mouse. So at least for me the mouse does not help. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Weird behaviour?
On Tuesday, April 23, 2013 12:29:57 AM UTC+10, nn wrote: Maybe it is related to this bug? http://bugs.python.org/issue11272 I'm running Python 2.7.2 (on Windows) and that version doesn't appear to have that bug: Python 2.7.2 (default, Apr 23 2013, 11:49:52) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)] on win32 Type help, copyright, credits or license for more information. print(repr(input())) testing 'testing' Cheers Jussi -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Weird behaviour?
Can someone please explain the following behaviour? I downloaded and compiled the Python 2.7.2 code base. I then created this simple c:\temp\test.py macro: import sys def main(): print(Please Input 120: ) input = raw_input() print(Value Inputed: + input) if str(input) == 120: print(Yes) else: print(No) main() If I run the macro using the -u (flush buffers) option the if statement always fails: C:\Temppython.exe -u c:\temp\test.py Please Input 120: 120 Value Inputed: 120 No If I run the macro without the -u option the if statement works as expected: C:\Temppython.exe c:\temp\test.py Please Input 120: 120 Value Inputed: 120 Yes What's going on? Cheers Jussi -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Weird behaviour?
On Monday, April 22, 2013 10:56:11 AM UTC+10, Chris Angelico wrote: so your string actually contains '120\r', as will be revealed by its repr(). Thanks Chris. That makes sense. Cheers Jussi -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Weird behaviour?
On Monday, April 22, 2013 11:05:11 AM UTC+10, Steven D'Aprano wrote: I cannot confirm that behaviour. It works fine for me. As Chris pointed out there is a \r character at the end of the string and that is causing the if to fail. I can now see the \r :) So this is *Windows only* behaviour. Cheers Jussi -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: New to python, do I need an IDE or is vim still good enough?
FWIW on the Windows platform the Zeus IDE has support for Python: http://www.zeusedit.com/python.html Zeus does the standard Python syntax highlighting, code completion, smart indenting, class browsing, code folding etc. Zeus also has limited Python debugger support and is fully scriptable in Python. Jussi Jumppanen Author: Zeus Editor -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Idle no longer works
On Saturday, August 11, 2012 4:09:16 PM UTC-7, Opap-OJ wrote: I can no longer open the Idle IDE for Python on Windows 7. .. Any idea why? It looks like your registry has changed. To fix this just use the Windows Explorer, click on a Python file and use the 'Open with, Choose default program' menu and then select the Idle IDE as the default program. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: No more Python support in NetBeans 7.0
On Thursday, March 24, 2011 7:32:44 AM UTC-7, Kees Bakker wrote: Sad news (for me, at least), in the upcoming version 7.0 of NetBeans there will be no Python plugin anymore. FWIW on the Windows platform the Zeus IDE has support for python: http://www.zeusedit.com/python.html Zeus is a lightweight IDE but it does have limited Python debugger support: http://youtu.be/aXNep2fcSsk Jussi Jumppanen Author: Zeus Editor -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
ANN: Zeus - Windows IDE for Python
The latest Zeus IDE Version 3.97o is now available: http://www.zeusedit.com/python.html This latest Zeus release adds improved Python debugger support. Other Pyhon language features include syntax highlighting, code completion, smart indenting, class browsing and code folding. Zeus is also fully scriptable in Python. NOTE: Zeus is shareware, runs natively on the Windows platform and can be run on Linux using Wine. Jussi Jumppanen Author: Zeus Editor -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Make Python portable by default! (Re: Python IDE/text-editor)
On Apr 17, 7:13 pm, Wolfgang Keller felip...@gmx.net wrote: You can't run Python programs without a Python interpreter installed. Wrong. See e.g.http://www.portablepython.com/ In this case Python is still installed on the machine. It may not be installled on the PC's hard disk but it is certainly is installed on the USB stick. In other words the act of inserting the USB actually results in the software being 'Installed' (i.e. being made available) on the PC. Jussi -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python IDE/text-editor
On Apr 16, 1:20 pm, Alec Taylor alec.tayl...@gmail.com wrote: I'm looking for an IDE which offers syntax-highlighting, code-completion, tabs, The Zeus editor does offers all these features: http://www.zeusedit.com/ Zeus is also scriptable and Zeus scripts can be written in Python. Zeus also does Python smart indenting and code folding. an embedded interpreter and which is portable Zeus does not have an embedded Python interpreter, but by using something like tee.exe it should be possible to emulate this: http://www.zeusedit.com/zforum/viewtopic.php?t=3156 (for running from USB on Windows). Zeus is a Windows editor but it is not a Protable application. NOTE: Zeus is shareware. Jussi Jumppanen Author: Zeus for Windows -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
ANN: Zeus for Windows IDE Version 3.97a
The latest 3.97a release of the Zeus for Windows IDE is now available: http://www.zeusedit.com/whatsnew.html Zeus is fully configurable, language neutral IDE. It comes pre-configured with Python syntax highlighting and code folding. It is also possible to write Zeus scripts using Python. Jussi Jumppanen Author: Zeus for Windows -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: What text editor is everyone using for Python
On May 31, 12:42 am, edexter eric_dex...@msn.com wrote: On the Windows platform the Zeus editor has Python language support: http://www.zeusedit.com I will sometimes use word pad but i perfer syntax highlighting.. The syntax highlighter is fully configurable. I would be after is to be able to define my syntax file, the ability to use code snippits, It has a code template feature. the ability to add tools and compilers... and it also has these features. If also does Python code folding and is scriptable in Python. Jussi Jumppanen Author: Zeus for Windows -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: What IDE support python 3.0.1 ?
On Apr 16, 1:26 pm, Brendon Wickham brendon.wick...@gmail.com wrote: I agree, no IDE needed. Just don't use Notepad! I'm on Mac, so spoiled for choice of text editors, but I'm sure there's one or 2 good uns if you're on Windows. The Zeus for Windows IDE is Python aware: http://www.zeusedit.com/python.html It does syntax highlighting, smart indenting etc. You can even write Zeus scripts in Python. Jussi Jumppanen Author: Zeus for Windows IDE -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Looking for a Python Program/Tool That Will Add Line Numbers to a txt File
On Feb 14, 5:54 pm, W. Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: See Subject. It's a simple txt file, each line is a Python stmt, but I need up to four digits added to each line with a space between the number field and the text. FWIW here is a Zeus editor, Python macro script to do this: import zeus def key_macro(): zeus.screen_update_disable() # get the line is the current document line_total = zeus.get_line_count() # message in status bar zeus.message(Line Count: %d % (line_total)) # write the line number to the start of each line for i in range(1, line_total + 1): zeus.set_line_pos(i, 1) number = %4d % (i) zeus.write(number) zeus.screen_update_enable() zeus.screen_update() key_macro() # run the macro To use the script, just load the text file into Zeus and then run the macro above from within Zeus. Jussi Jumppanen Author: Zeus for Windows IDE http://www.zeusedit.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: python shell
On May 17, 3:38 am, Krypto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My mentor told me that you can virtually do anything from testing your program to anything in the shell. Any incite would be useful. Using something like tee you can run the Python script in the shell and also capture it's output: http://unxutils.sourceforge.net/ For example, here are details on how to use tee within the Zeus IDE: http://www.zeusedit.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=74 Jussi Jumppanen Author: Zeus for Windows IDE http://www.zeusedit.com - Zeus for Windows Programmer's IDE -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: preferred windows text editor?
On May 10, 4:06 am, T. Crane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Right now I'm using Notepad++. What are other people using? Zeus: http://www.zeusedit.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Looking for the Perfect Editor
Omar wrote: I'd love the perfect editor that would be: Zeus for Windows understands Python, Java Script, HTML an many other languages: http://www.zeusedit.com/features.html Note: Zeus is shareware (45 day trial). It will do Python syntax highlighting, code folding, class browsing, smart indenting, project/workspace management etc etc. You can even write Zeus macros in Python or Java Script:) Jussi Jumppanen Author: Zeus for Windows -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: text editor suggestion?
John Salerno wrote: The thing I liked about UltraEdit is that you can define your own groups of words and put whatever words you want in there, so my file had a group called '__builtins__' and it listed all the Python built-in methods, and those would be highlighted. Most editors I see don't seem to allow this... The Zeus IDE uses this exact same approach but takes it one step further by allowing you to encapsulate all this information inside a document type: http://www.zeusedit.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=176 But alas Zeus is a Windows only editor. Jussi Jumppanen Author: Zeus for Windows IDE http://www.zeusedit.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: compiling python (or ironpython) to .exe or .dll for or not for .NET
per9000 wrote: Is the newest Ironpython really as old as from 2004 July 28 (as stated on http://www.ironpython.com/)? I think the site is dead but IronPython is far from dead. In fact the IronPython 1.0 beta has just been release. For more details go to this link: http://www.gotdotnet.com/ and search for: ironpython Are there any (costless) editors like MS Visual Express you have tried? Zeus for Windows has support for Python/IronPython: http://www.zeusedit.com It does syntax highlighting, smart indenting, code folding, class browsing etc. Jussi Jumppanen Author: Zeus For Windows -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: a good programming text editor (not IDE)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyway, the only thing editplus doesn't do that I wish it did is code folding. If you need a Python folding editor you could always take a look at Zeus: http://www.zeusedit.com/python.html All the stuff you guys are talking about: line numbers, syntax highlighting, custom tools (running the interpreter), regexp search and replace, keeping your environment the same between sessions, soft word wrap, tab-vs-spaces, auto-indent, braces-matching, bla bla... it does it all in an appropriately gui manner without making you feel Zeus does all this, plus it adds features project/workspace management, ftp editing and class browsing. Jussi Jumppanen Author: Zeus for Windows -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: code folding, a unique problem to python?
John Salerno wrote: But my question is more general: is it possible to implement code folding with Python given that it has no real block delimiters? I can't speak for UltraEdit, but the Zeus will quite happily fold Python code: http://www.zeusedit.com/features.html Jussi Jumppanen Author: Zeus For Windows IDE -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: how to comment lot of lines in python
You should use a decent editor that could automatically comment/uncomment code upon your request. The Zeus for Windows IDE has just such a feature: http://www.zeusedit.com/python.html To do this in Zeus you basically mark the lines of text that need commenting then use the Macros, Add Comment Block menu to comment the lines selected. Then to remove the comments you use the Macros, Remove Comment Block menu. Jussi Jumppanen Author: Zeus for Windows -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: running IDLE from another program?
So it comes down to this: is it possible to run code (that was created in a separate editor) in IDLE in some kind of automated way? Using the Zeus for Windows IDE this should be possible. Zeus has many options when it comes to running tools and compilers: http://www.zeusedit.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=32 It will also capture the tool output and allowing you to click on the errors in the output and have the file load at the correct line number. Jussi Jumppanen Author: Zeus for Windows Note: Zeus is shareware (45 day trial). -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: What's The Best Editor for python
Can one of you say to me what's the best editor for editing the python programs( for linux or windows ) The Zeus for Windows IDE has support for Python: http://www.zeusedit.com/python.html It does Python code folding, smart indenting and syntax highlighting. It also has features like project/workspace mangement, ftp editing and class browsing etc. You can even write Zeus macros in Python. Jussi Jumppanen Author of: Zeus for Windows NOTE: Zeus is shareware -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python IDE: great headache....
I use WinXP sp2 for current development. You might want to take a look at the Zeus for Windows IDE: http://www.zeusedit.com Here is how Zeus stacks up to your check list: I hope that an IDE should be featured with: 1. Grammar Colored highlights. It does syntax coloring for Python. 2. Manage project in a tree view or something alike, ie, a project file navigator. It has a project/workspace feature. 3. Code collapse and folding. It does code folding for Python. 4. Code auto-completion: especially prompting function parameters when I am typing a function previously defined by myself. Like the one in Visual Studio series. The code completion in Zeus is driven by the information provided by the ctags utility and ctags works better for some languages compared to others. The net result is quality of the Zeus code completion does vary from one language to next language. 5. Debugging: Breakpoints, conditional pause. watch for variables.step into, over and out of a function. It does have a built-in debugger, but most likely there are be better standalone debuggers :( More over, the free-of-charge IDE is highly preferred. Zeus is not freeware. It is shareware and has a 45 day fully functional trail period. 6.Indentation management like in IDLE: press ctrl+[/] to modify the identation of a line or a block. It can handle Python indenting. It also has a block indent/unindent feature (ie Tab/Shift tab marked areas). Zeus is also fully scriptable an the macro scripts can be written in Python. Jussi Jumppanen Author: Zeus for Windows -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: how do you move to a new line in your text editor?
One thing I like to do is use tabs for my indentation, because this makes it easy to outdent when I need to start a new line in column 1. I can press backspace once and move 4 spaces to the left. Zeus has a Smart Backspace feature (configurable on or off) where by it will try to line up the current line with the lines of code above on any backspace key press. This means that in the case you describe a backspace will always move back 4 spaces whether the white space is made up of tabs or spaces. But I read in the PEP that spaces are recommended over tabs. If this is the case, it would involve pressing backspace 4 times (or 8, etc.) to get back to column 1. It only takes one key press if you are using Zeus ;) Jussi Jumppanen Author: Zeus for Windows Zeus for Windows IDE http://www.zeusedit.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Indentation/whitespace
i think you can't call an editor python capable unless it shows you clearly hard (yuck)or soft tabs like View / Show Invisibles in textmate, View / view whitespace in komodo. Zeus for Windows has this View / View whitespace feature: http://www.zeusedit.com Note: Zeus is shareware (45 day trial) Jussi Jumppanen Author: Zeus for Windows -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Wingide is a beautiful application
I don't like, that one of the latest UltraEdit releases was buggy causing 100%CPU load and 2MByte of harddisk data traffic beeing idle, so I am looking for an alternative for years, but instead of finding it I was forced lately to spend money again on renewing my license. Have you tried the Zeus for Windows programmers editor: http://www.zeusedit.com Zeus is closed source, but it is also very stable, comes with support for Python and you can even write Zeus scripts using Python. Like all software it also has bugs, but when a bug is reported it is fixed ASAP and a free patch is then offered for download. Jussi Jumppanen Author: Zeus for Windows -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Wingide is a beautiful application
The best not free overall text editing tool on Windows is UltraEdit As I mentioned before, you should give Zeus a test drive. Many Zeus users think it is the best programming tool for the Windows platform: http://www.zeusedit.com/awards.html Jussi Jumppanen Author: Zeus for Windows -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Wingide is a beautiful application
I gave Zeus a try and it passed loading of a large (100 MByte) text file (many other text editors fail here). Zeus is not designed as a large file editor :( It will try to load the entire file into memory so when you open these very large files the RAM is quickly used up. It looks at the first glance quite good, but I am a bit lost because of so many different menu items. Zeus is fairly complex just because it has so many features (ie class browsing, intellisening, compiler support, ftp editing, templates, macros, workspaces etc etc). For this reason I would recommend: 1) Select the Help, Help Contents Menu 2) Click on the User Manual section 3) Click on the Quick Start section 3) Read a few of the Quick Start links Compared to UltraEdit/SPE I am missing the column mode I extensively use in my everyday work (rectangular select/copy/paste is there) Zeus has several text marking modes one of which is column marking: http://www.zeusedit.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=60 http://www.zeusedit.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=197 and the autocompletion of any input word as e.g. a very long variable names I have defined in preceeding text. This feature should be available via the Edit, Auto Complete Word menu. If it is not working correctly this could be a bug :( I was not yet able to find how to change the font in the text area Options, Editor Options menu, Fonts section and change the baseline font for the Document View. and how to get rid of the italics used for displaying strings. The syntax highlighting is defined in what Zeus calls a document type. These are listed using the Options Document Types menu. So for example to change this for the Python files, edit the Python Document Type and in the Coloring section, select the line and block comment categories and un-check the italic option for this category. In UltraEdit I can choose any font in any style available on the system for the text area and in the syntax highlighting I can use bold/italics style. The two menus mentioned above do exactly this. Code folding for Python is there, but I run into the problem of not folding the code of a Python class. If you post a small example of code to the code folding section of the Zeus forum: http://www.zeusedit.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=8 This will be get fix if it is at all possible to do so. but probably with not sufficient support for Python specifics, Just out of curiosity, what Python specifics features would think are missing? In my eyes with $40 for a license a worth to be evaluated professional editor, but not for me because of lack(?) of the column mode and not (yet?) found possibility to select a font for the in the editing area displayed text. As mentioned above, Zeus does have these features ;) Jussi Jumppanen Author: Zeus for Windows -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Embedded Python interpreter, runtime libs, and crashing
It all runs great in the Debug configuration, but everything gets scary when I switch to Release. My suggestion would be to turn on debug information for the release build. That would at least let you run the release build inside the debugger, allowing you to see the call stack of the offending crash. Jussi Jumppanen Author: Zeus for Windows Programmer's IDE http://www.zeusedit.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: ssh or other python editor
I'm working/making my python scripts in a windows OS with putty now. If you need an FTP editor take a look at Zeus: http://www.zeusedit.com/features.html Zeus will do SSH, SSL/TLS and plain old FTP editing, with support for Unix, Windows, VM and MVS FTP servers. Just remember to setup your host configuration, otherwise it will default to the FTP protocol. But I really want the python text colors and tab spacing like the python windows IDE but the problem is that I can't find a good program. Zeus does Python syntax highlighting, code folding, class browsing, smart indenting, project/workspace management etc etc. You can even write Zeus macros in Pyhton :) Note: Zeus is shareware (45 day trial). Jussi Jumppanen Author: Zeus for Windows -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Recommendations for CVS systems
I was wondering if anyone could make recomendations/comments about CVS systems Amoung other things the Zeus for Windows programmer's editor/IDE comes with integrated CVS support: http://www.zeusedit.com/features.html Most of the developement is Python, but some C, Javascript, HTML, etc. Zeus also has syntax highlighting and code folding for a dozen or so languages including Pyhton, C, Javascript and HTML. Note: Zeus is shareware and comes with a a 45 day fully functional trial period. Jussi Jumppanen -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
