Re: [semi OT]: Smartphones and Python?
for which I could write Python programs. > Android is good bet, kivy has official support for it http://kivy.org/docs/guide/android.html -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: [semi OT]: Smartphones and Python?
On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 3:36 PM, Paul Rubin wrote: > Martin Schöön writes: > > A very quick internet search indicated that this should be no big > > deal if I go for an Android-based phone. What about the alternatives? > > It works pretty well with Maemo, though phones with that are not so easy > to find. My ex-officemate wrote some SL4A (Android) apps in Python and > said it was pretty easy to use, though some features were missing. I > know that one missing feature was tkinter. > The missing features is why I wish SL4A's Python were based on jython or the java version of pypy. Apparently each new function needs a stub for the SL4A CPython; something that runs on a JVM (OK: Dalvik really, but it's almost the same thing) should be able to call java functions directly. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: [semi OT]: Smartphones and Python?
On 16.2.2012 16:22, Michael Torrie wrote: Android simply isn't going to run the JVM anytime soon. In reality yes, but just technically speaking there is the project IcedRobot (http://www.icedrobot.org/), which is a fork of Android over OpenJDK. Best, Matěj -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: [semi OT]: Smartphones and Python?
在 2012年2月16日星期四UTC+8下午11时22分44秒，Michael Torrie写道： > On 02/16/2012 07:53 AM, 8 Dihedral wrote: > > The law suites of JAVA Vitrtual Machine from Oracle > > are famous now. But in 201X the JVM patents will be > > expired, thus it is not very urgent to chunk out a new jython now. Anyway > > just write codes that can be maintained and ported to other languages and > > platforms > > easily. > > Umm what does this have to do with anything? > > You claimed Jython is or will be available on Android. It's not and > Jython isn't being ported to Dalvik and it has nothing to do with > patents. Android might use java a language, but the virtual machines > are very different. And no expired patents are going to change that > fact. Android simply isn't going to run the JVM anytime soon. Android is a customized linux OS used in mobile phones. I don't think any linux systm has to be locked by JAVA or any JVM to run applications. The memory systems in mobile phones are different from PCs. This is the current situation in the consumer electronics sector. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On 02/16/2012 10:38 AM, Grant Edwards wrote: > I got curious about Dalvik, and was looking at the Wikipedia page, > where it says that programs for Android are compiled into bytecode in > JVM compatible .class files. Those files are then converted into .dex > files to run on Davlik. > > I don't know much at all about Jython, but if it generates JVM byte > code, mightn't the same conversion to .dex be applicable? I think it has to do with the fact that Jython does dynamic class generation and loading. Similarly I don't think JBoss or Tomcat could be ported easily to Dalvik without making lots of changes to the class loading stuff. But I know nothing about Java, so I could be way wrong here. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On 2012-02-16, Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2012-02-16, Michael Torrie wrote: > >> You claimed Jython is or will be available on Android. It's not and >> Jython isn't being ported to Dalvik and it has nothing to do with >> patents. Android might use java a language, but the virtual machines >> are very different. And no expired patents are going to change that >> fact. Android simply isn't going to run the JVM anytime soon. > > I got curious about Dalvik, and was looking at the Wikipedia page, > where it says that programs for Android are compiled into bytecode in > JVM compatible .class files. Those files are then converted into > .dex files to run on Davlik. > > I don't know much at all about Jython, but if it generates JVM byte > code, mightn't the same conversion to .dex be applicable? Apparently there was a project to do just that: http://code.google.com/p/jythonroid/ But it's been abandonded in favor of SL4A, which offers a PythonForAndroid_r4.apk download. There's a book about Python on Android via SL4A called _Pro_Android_Python_with_SL4A_. http://www.apress.com/9781430235699 Interesting... -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwardsYow! World War III? at No thanks! gmail.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: [semi OT]: Smartphones and Python?
On 2012-02-16, Michael Torrie wrote: > You claimed Jython is or will be available on Android. It's not and > Jython isn't being ported to Dalvik and it has nothing to do with > patents. Android might use java a language, but the virtual machines > are very different. And no expired patents are going to change that > fact. Android simply isn't going to run the JVM anytime soon. I got curious about Dalvik, and was looking at the Wikipedia page, where it says that programs for Android are compiled into bytecode in JVM compatible .class files. Those files are then converted into .dex files to run on Davlik. I don't know much at all about Jython, but if it generates JVM byte code, mightn't the same conversion to .dex be applicable? -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwardsYow! What I want to find at out is -- do parrots know gmail.commuch about Astro-Turf? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: [semi OT]: Smartphones and Python?
On Feb 16, 2012 10:25 AM, "Michael Torrie" wrote: > > On 02/16/2012 07:53 AM, 8 Dihedral wrote: > > The law suites of JAVA Vitrtual Machine from Oracle > > are famous now. But in 201X the JVM patents will be > > expired, thus it is not very urgent to chunk out a new jython now. Anyway just write codes that can be maintained and ported to other languages and platforms > > easily. > > Umm what does this have to do with anything? > > You claimed Jython is or will be available on Android. It's not and > Jython isn't being ported to Dalvik and it has nothing to do with > patents. Android might use java a language, but the virtual machines > are very different. And no expired patents are going to change that > fact. Android simply isn't going to run the JVM anytime soon. > -- I believe the general consensus is that 8 is a bot. it makes lots of posts that mention key words from the thread its replying to but don't actually mean anything. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: [semi OT]: Smartphones and Python?
On 02/16/2012 07:53 AM, 8 Dihedral wrote: > The law suites of JAVA Vitrtual Machine from Oracle > are famous now. But in 201X the JVM patents will be > expired, thus it is not very urgent to chunk out a new jython now. Anyway > just write codes that can be maintained and ported to other languages and > platforms > easily. Umm what does this have to do with anything? You claimed Jython is or will be available on Android. It's not and Jython isn't being ported to Dalvik and it has nothing to do with patents. Android might use java a language, but the virtual machines are very different. And no expired patents are going to change that fact. Android simply isn't going to run the JVM anytime soon. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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The law suites of JAVA Vitrtual Machine from Oracle are famous now. But in 201X the JVM patents will be expired, thus it is not very urgent to chunk out a new jython now. Anyway just write codes that can be maintained and ported to other languages and platforms easily. Then I personally prefer python. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On 02/15/2012 07:38 PM, 8 Dihedral wrote: > In the 4 G space of SW AP in Adndroid phones, > check Jython. But I think a better data compression > modules is more helpful. Jython, though a very cool and useful implementation, relies on the Java virtual machine to run. It does not yet run on Dalvik, nor is it clear that it ever will. The project to port jython to Dalvik, but it died and the authors said, just use Android scripting. lame. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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在 2012年2月16日星期四UTC+8上午10时19分15秒，geremy condra写道： > On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 12:58 PM, Martin Schöön > wrote: > > First of all: I don't have any first hand experience of smartphones > > but now that my trusted old GSM phone is getting old I decided I am > > in for an up-grade. It struck me it might be nice to get something > > for which I could write Python programs. > > > > A very quick internet search indicated that this should be no big > > deal if I go for an Android-based phone. What about the alterna- > > tives? > > > > It struck me this must be the best place to ask. > > > > What else? I don't know if it matters but my home PC OS is Linux. > > And I am not much of a Python programmer but I enjoy learning it > > and I have reached a level that has turned out to be useful at work. > > Please note that while SL4A is a pretty good mobile python environment > it doesn't support all of the Android API, which means it generally > isn't an easy way to develop fully-fledged Android apps. > > Geremy Condra In the 4 G space of SW AP in Adndroid phones, check Jython. But I think a better data compression modules is more helpful. Patterns about arithmetic compressions and LZW are expired, but not those in mp4 for the commercial use. Thus, the time to install a complete OS on a tablet or mobile phone with LTE on the way. We need smaller HD or flashes in these small devices. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: [semi OT]: Smartphones and Python?
On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 12:58 PM, Martin Schöön wrote: > First of all: I don't have any first hand experience of smartphones > but now that my trusted old GSM phone is getting old I decided I am > in for an up-grade. It struck me it might be nice to get something > for which I could write Python programs. > > A very quick internet search indicated that this should be no big > deal if I go for an Android-based phone. What about the alterna- > tives? > > It struck me this must be the best place to ask. > > What else? I don't know if it matters but my home PC OS is Linux. > And I am not much of a Python programmer but I enjoy learning it > and I have reached a level that has turned out to be useful at work. Please note that while SL4A is a pretty good mobile python environment it doesn't support all of the Android API, which means it generally isn't an easy way to develop fully-fledged Android apps. Geremy Condra -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: [semi OT]: Smartphones and Python?
Martin Schöön writes: > A very quick internet search indicated that this should be no big > deal if I go for an Android-based phone. What about the alternatives? It works pretty well with Maemo, though phones with that are not so easy to find. My ex-officemate wrote some SL4A (Android) apps in Python and said it was pretty easy to use, though some features were missing. I know that one missing feature was tkinter. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: [semi OT]: Smartphones and Python?
On 15/02/2012 20:58, Martin Schöön wrote: First of all: I don't have any first hand experience of smartphones but now that my trusted old GSM phone is getting old I decided I am in for an up-grade. It struck me it might be nice to get something for which I could write Python programs. A very quick internet search indicated that this should be no big deal if I go for an Android-based phone. What about the alterna- tives? It struck me this must be the best place to ask. What else? I don't know if it matters but my home PC OS is Linux. And I am not much of a Python programmer but I enjoy learning it and I have reached a level that has turned out to be useful at work. Python has been ported to iOS, if you're thinking of going the Apple route: http://ipython.hozbox.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
[semi OT]: Smartphones and Python?
First of all: I don't have any first hand experience of smartphones but now that my trusted old GSM phone is getting old I decided I am in for an up-grade. It struck me it might be nice to get something for which I could write Python programs. A very quick internet search indicated that this should be no big deal if I go for an Android-based phone. What about the alterna- tives? It struck me this must be the best place to ask. What else? I don't know if it matters but my home PC OS is Linux. And I am not much of a Python programmer but I enjoy learning it and I have reached a level that has turned out to be useful at work. /Martin -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
