Re: A little request about spam
Ivan Van Laningham [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Of course I wouldn't base decisions _only_ on whether or not [PYTHON] appears in the subject. But I ordinarily do base decisions on the whole subject line, and I think that's perfectly reasonable. There's nothing else to go on without opening the message, and for HTML-based mail there's no surer way to let spammers know they've found a live email addres than to open it. You know that. No, I don't. My mail reader has a separate decode step. I can open HTML email, and see the HTML. Actually, I usually see the ascii version of the HTML followed by the HTML. If I want to see the HTML, I have to tell the reader to decode the mail. Then it renders the HTML. Further, I have the HTML renderer set to *not* fetch inline objects unless/until I click on them. So even rendering the HTML won't tell spammers anything. In short - your mail reader needs an upgrade. mike -- Mike Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Independent WWW/Perforce/FreeBSD/Unix consultant, email for more information. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: A little request about spam
On 4/14/05, mark hellewell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/14/05, Steven Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For what it's worth I filed a gmail issue over it a few days after I noticed it. I guess more of you could do so indicating the severity of the issue to the gmail developers. And I thought I was the only one...! I've now done the same. Let's hope they can do something about it, it is a little annoying! Anyone else think the gmail team (or one of their bosses) reads c.l.p? The problem is gone this morning. Here's to b*tching on c.l.p actually solving something raises glass! Peace Bill Mill bill.mill at gmail.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
A little request about spam
Please do not reply to spam. Replying to spam makes it much harder for spam filters to catch all the spam or will produce very many false positives. Atleast that's how gmail's filter works. And if you must reply, please change the subject line. On 13 Apr 2005 17:50:06 -0500, .@bag.python.org .@bag.python.org wrote: Nuf said. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- mvh Björn -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: A little request about spam
On 4/14/05, BJörn Lindqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please do not reply to spam. Replying to spam makes it much harder for spam filters to catch all the spam or will produce very many false positives. Atleast that's how gmail's filter works. And if you must reply, please change the subject line. Is anybody else finding that Gmails spam filter has started labelling a lot of python-list emails as spam? About 20 python-list emails a day end up getting caught by their filter and I'm having to manually go in and mark them as Not spam. mark -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: A little request about spam
Yes - it's been like that for the last month or so now and it's quite annoying, especially seeing as before it was working at near enough 100% accuracy. On 4/14/05, mark hellewell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/14/05, BJörn Lindqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please do not reply to spam. Replying to spam makes it much harder for spam filters to catch all the spam or will produce very many false positives. Atleast that's how gmail's filter works. And if you must reply, please change the subject line. Is anybody else finding that Gmails spam filter has started labelling a lot of python-list emails as spam? About 20 python-list emails a day end up getting caught by their filter and I'm having to manually go in and mark them as Not spam. mark -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: A little request about spam
On 4/14/05, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes - it's been like that for the last month or so now and it's quite annoying, especially seeing as before it was working at near enough 100% accuracy. And I don't suppose there's much we can do about it? mark -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: A little request about spam
For what it's worth I filed a gmail issue over it a few days after I noticed it. I guess more of you could do so indicating the severity of the issue to the gmail developers. And I thought I was the only one...! /SOn 4/14/05, mark hellewell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/14/05, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes - it's been like that for the last month or so now and it's quite annoying, especially seeing as before it was working at near enough 100% accuracy.And I don't suppose there's much we can do about it?mark--http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- Steven Cummings[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: A little request about spam
Yeah that is happening to me too! Almost all my python-list e-mails go to the Spam box. Maybe we should contact the gmail admins? On 4/14/05, mark hellewell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/14/05, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes - it's been like that for the last month or so now and it's quite annoying, especially seeing as before it was working at near enough 100% accuracy. And I don't suppose there's much we can do about it? mark -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: A little request about spam
Hi All-- The listowner could turn on the [PYTHON] headers. I'm not using spambayes yet, although I'm leaning toward it, but that step alone could save me some work when trying to decide based on subject line alone whether or not an email is spam. As it stands now, it's too easy to decide incorrectly that Subject: Inelegant is a spamdunk. Metta, Ivan mark hellewell wrote: On 4/14/05, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes - it's been like that for the last month or so now and it's quite annoying, especially seeing as before it was working at near enough 100% accuracy. And I don't suppose there's much we can do about it? -- Ivan Van Laningham God N Locomotive Works http://www.andi-holmes.com/ http://www.foretec.com/python/workshops/1998-11/proceedings.html Army Signal Corps: Cu Chi, Class of '70 Author: Teach Yourself Python in 24 Hours -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: A little request about spam
On 4/14/05, mark hellewell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/14/05, BJörn Lindqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please do not reply to spam. Replying to spam makes it much harder for spam filters to catch all the spam or will produce very many false positives. Atleast that's how gmail's filter works. And if you must reply, please change the subject line. Is anybody else finding that Gmails spam filter has started labelling a lot of python-list emails as spam? About 20 python-list emails a day end up getting caught by their filter and I'm having to manually go in and mark them as Not spam. Absolutely! I didn't know if it were just me or what but starting a couple of weeks ago, The filter went from near perfect to trapping 20+ good emails per day. Very annoying. -- Stand Fast, tjg. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: A little request about spam
Hi All-- Roman Neuhauser wrote: # [EMAIL PROTECTED] / 2005-04-14 08:22:48 -0600: The listowner could turn on the [PYTHON] headers. I hope they don't. What's your reasoning? I'm not using spambayes yet, although I'm leaning toward it, but that step alone could save me some work when trying to decide based on subject line alone whether or not an email is spam. As it stands now, it's too easy to decide incorrectly that Subject: Inelegant is a spamdunk. Don't base your decisions (only) on subject then. Oh, and spam sent through the list would have the [PYTHON] space eater too, so what would it buy you? Of course I wouldn't base decisions _only_ on whether or not [PYTHON] appears in the subject. But I ordinarily do base decisions on the whole subject line, and I think that's perfectly reasonable. There's nothing else to go on without opening the message, and for HTML-based mail there's no surer way to let spammers know they've found a live email addres than to open it. You know that. Metta, Ivan -- Ivan Van Laningham God N Locomotive Works http://www.andi-holmes.com/ http://www.foretec.com/python/workshops/1998-11/proceedings.html Army Signal Corps: Cu Chi, Class of '70 Author: Teach Yourself Python in 24 Hours -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: A little request about spam
# [EMAIL PROTECTED] / 2005-04-14 09:06:08 -0600: Roman Neuhauser wrote: # [EMAIL PROTECTED] / 2005-04-14 08:22:48 -0600: The listowner could turn on the [PYTHON] headers. I hope they don't. What's your reasoning? It's 9 characters ([PYTHON] ) of screen real estate wasted. Of course it's mail from the python-list, it has the appropriate List-Id header! As it stands now, it's too easy to decide incorrectly that Subject: Inelegant is a spamdunk. Don't base your decisions (only) on subject then. Oh, and spam sent through the list would have the [PYTHON] space eater too, so what would it buy you? Of course I wouldn't base decisions _only_ on whether or not [PYTHON] appears in the subject. But I ordinarily do base decisions on the whole subject line, and I think that's perfectly reasonable. There's nothing else to go on without opening the message, and for HTML-based mail there's no surer way to let spammers know they've found a live email addres than to open it. You know that. I have no problem opening HTML emails: I (intentionally) don't have a viewer for them configured in mutt which means I see their source. And I delete them all without reading. For Content-Type: multipart/alternative emails, the text/plain part is displayed, and I mostly don't even get to notice there's a html part. If the text/plain part says something hilarious, like This is a MIME email, get a better email client which I've seen in a spam, I get to laugh as well. -- How many Vietnam vets does it take to screw in a light bulb? You don't know, man. You don't KNOW. Cause you weren't THERE. http://bash.org/?255991 -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: A little request about spam
On 4/14/05, César Leonardo Blum Silveira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah that is happening to me too! Almost all my python-list e-mails go to the Spam box. Maybe we should contact the gmail admins? I've already contacted the gmail admins. There was no response. Peace Bill Mill bill.mill at gmail.com On 4/14/05, mark hellewell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/14/05, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes - it's been like that for the last month or so now and it's quite annoying, especially seeing as before it was working at near enough 100% accuracy. And I don't suppose there's much we can do about it? mark -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: A little request about spam
On 4/14/05, Steven Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For what it's worth I filed a gmail issue over it a few days after I noticed it. I guess more of you could do so indicating the severity of the issue to the gmail developers. And I thought I was the only one...! I've now done the same. Let's hope they can do something about it, it is a little annoying! mark /S -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: A little request about spam
Bill Mill wrote: Maybe we should contact the gmail admins? I've already contacted the gmail admins. There was no response. have you tried reading the newsgroup via http://groups-beta.google.com/group/comp.lang.python while being logged in to your gmail account? /F -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: A little request about spam
On 4/14/05, Fredrik Lundh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bill Mill wrote: Maybe we should contact the gmail admins? I've already contacted the gmail admins. There was no response. have you tried reading the newsgroup via http://groups-beta.google.com/group/comp.lang.python while being logged in to your gmail account? Yup, I don't like that interface *nearly* as much as I do the gmail interface. In gmail, I see threads as their subject headers, lined up neatly. Threads which I've read are dimmed, and ones I haven't are bolded. I see people's real email addresses . Threads in which I have a personal conversation with one of the authors pop up to the top when a private email comes in. Spam (The greatest news ever!) is filtered out, and up until recently, it was very successful. In short, the groups-beta interface is very inadequate compared to the gmail one. Peace Bill Mill bill.mill at gmail.com /F -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
