Re: Amazon: Practical Django Projects by James Bennett (June 2008)
Fredrik Lundh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (and the stable release and much will change stuff is pure FUD, of course. what competing project will I find if I google your name?) Found something? Maybe this could help me to choose a web framework. -- Web (en): http://www.no-spoon.de/ -*- Web (de): http://www.frell.de/ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Amazon: Practical Django Projects by James Bennett (June 2008)
Torsten Bronger a écrit : Hallöchen! [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 16 juil, 10:35, Stefan Scholl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave U. Random [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://snipr.com/PracticalDjango June 2008 is a bit too early. Django isn't ready. Oh, really ? Too bad. But, wait... If Django isn't ready, what's that framework I've been using for almost three years now, then ??? Before writing sarcastic comments, reading the thread would be really polite. You may not have notice, but applied to a piece of software, ready is usually understood as ready for production use. Which Django is, and has been for years now. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Amazon: Practical Django Projects by James Bennett (June 2008)
Hallöchen! Bruno Desthuilliers writes: Torsten Bronger a écrit : [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 16 juil, 10:35, Stefan Scholl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave U. Random [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://snipr.com/PracticalDjango June 2008 is a bit too early. Django isn't ready. Oh, really ? Too bad. But, wait... If Django isn't ready, what's that framework I've been using for almost three years now, then ??? Before writing sarcastic comments, reading the thread would be really polite. You may not have notice, but applied to a piece of software, ready is usually understood as ready for production use. Which Django is, and has been for years now. Yes, so Stefan used the wrong English word. The rest of the thread had already revealed it when you made your statement. Tschö, Torsten. -- Torsten Bronger, aquisgrana, europa vetus Jabber ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Amazon: Practical Django Projects by James Bennett (June 2008)
On 17 Jul, 11:09, Fredrik Lundh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (and the stable release and much will change stuff is pure FUD, of course. what competing project will I find if I google your name?) That's a bit unfair. Maybe the guy was stung by previous experiences with books and certain other frameworks. It seems to me that the Django people have been quite cautious with the APIs and with their own book, but it isn't as if nothing has been changing with respect to the APIs and the preferred ways of doing things in Django. And I have to add that books which refer the reader to various Web sites in order to find out the status of the code, qualifying the prose with by the time you read this, don't give a great impression. I can't say that the book referenced here does that, although short of a 1.0 release, I find it unlikely that the author could avoid it. Paul -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Amazon: Practical Django Projects by James Bennett (June 2008)
Stefan Scholl wrote: Django isn't ready. That's a remarkably ignorant statement. The 1.0 release will be in September. So? 1.0 will be done then, yes. In what way does that mean that Django itself isn't ready, in any sane sense of that word? (For bystanders, Django's 0.91 release in early 1996 was what most people would have called 1.0. 0.95 was a 2.0 release, and the upcoming 1.0 release is pretty much a 3.0. Or if you use Micro- soft's numbering system, 0.91 was 3.0, 0.95 is 5.0 and 1.0 is, what, 8.0?) /F -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Amazon: Practical Django Projects by James Bennett (June 2008)
Marc 'BlackJack' Rintsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 05:41:11 +0200, Stefan Scholl wrote: Fredrik Lundh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stefan Scholl wrote: Django isn't ready. That's a remarkably ignorant statement. The 1.0 release will be in September. So what? It's not the version number that matters but features and stability. It's not uncommon in open source projects to have very usable software with a version number below 1.0. The book is about the development version, which was current at the time the book was written. See page 4. Nobody says something about Book after feature freeze (or similar). Instead I get ignorant statement and usable software. My conclusion: This book isn't about a stable release and not about a future stable release. (And even if it was about the last stable relase, too much has changed and will change until September 2008. IMHO.) And by the way: The quote was changed by deleting something on the same line: June 2008 is a bit too early. Django isn't ready. vs. Django isn't ready. -- Web (en): http://www.no-spoon.de/ -*- Web (de): http://www.frell.de/ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Amazon: Practical Django Projects by James Bennett (June 2008)
Stefan Scholl wrote: And by the way: The quote was changed by deleting something on the same line: June 2008 is a bit too early. Django isn't ready. vs. Django isn't ready. Is this a language issue? That you meant to write django 1.0 isn't done (as in completed; finished) but accidentally wrote django isn't ready (where ready is usually read as completely prepared or in fit condition for immediate action or use)? (and the stable release and much will change stuff is pure FUD, of course. what competing project will I find if I google your name?) /F -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Amazon: Practical Django Projects by James Bennett (June 2008)
On Jul 17, 6:04 pm, Fredrik Lundh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Django's 0.91 release in early 1996 While I totally agree with position, I'm pretty sure you mean 2006 here :) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Amazon: Practical Django Projects by James Bennett (June 2008)
On 16 juil, 10:35, Stefan Scholl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave U. Random [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://snipr.com/PracticalDjango June 2008 is a bit too early. Django isn't ready. Oh, really ? Too bad. But, wait... If Django isn't ready, what's that framework I've been using for almost three years now, then ??? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Amazon: Practical Django Projects by James Bennett (June 2008)
Hallöchen! [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 16 juil, 10:35, Stefan Scholl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave U. Random [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://snipr.com/PracticalDjango June 2008 is a bit too early. Django isn't ready. Oh, really ? Too bad. But, wait... If Django isn't ready, what's that framework I've been using for almost three years now, then ??? Before writing sarcastic comments, reading the thread would be really polite. As far as versioning is concerned, Django's policy is that 1.0 equals API is frozen. And I consider publishing a book four months before the API is polished bad timing, too. Especially because Django is exquisitely documented on its webpage, so there is no urgent need for it. I thought about buying a Django book, too. I'm happy to have delayed it, for the same reason Stefan mentioned. Tschö, Torsten. -- Torsten Bronger, aquisgrana, europa vetus Jabber ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Amazon: Practical Django Projects by James Bennett (June 2008)
Dave U. Random [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://snipr.com/PracticalDjango June 2008 is a bit too early. Django isn't ready. -- Web (en): http://www.no-spoon.de/ -*- Web (de): http://www.frell.de/ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Amazon: Practical Django Projects by James Bennett (June 2008)
Stefan Scholl wrote: Django isn't ready. That's a remarkably ignorant statement. /F -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Amazon: Practical Django Projects by James Bennett (June 2008)
Fredrik Lundh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stefan Scholl wrote: Django isn't ready. That's a remarkably ignorant statement. The 1.0 release will be in September. -- Web (en): http://www.no-spoon.de/ -*- Web (de): http://www.frell.de/ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Amazon: Practical Django Projects by James Bennett (June 2008)
On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 05:41:11 +0200, Stefan Scholl wrote: Fredrik Lundh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stefan Scholl wrote: Django isn't ready. That's a remarkably ignorant statement. The 1.0 release will be in September. So what? It's not the version number that matters but features and stability. It's not uncommon in open source projects to have very usable software with a version number below 1.0. Ciao, Marc 'BlackJack' Rintsch -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Amazon: Practical Django Projects by James Bennett (June 2008)
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