Re: Any marginally usable programming language approaches an ill defined barely usable re-implementation of half of Common-Lisp

2024-05-29 Thread Dan Sommers via Python-list
On 2024-05-29 at 11:39:14 -0700,
HenHanna via Python-list  wrote:

> On 5/27/2024 1:59 PM, 2qdxy4rzwzuui...@potatochowder.com wrote:

> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenspun%27s_tenth_rule

[...]

> Are  the Rules 1--9  by  Greenspun   good too?

I don't know; let me look it up.  Oh, there it is:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenspun%27s_tenth_rule says that
Greenspun said he "was just trying to give the rule a memorable name."

Sadly, the citation link is failing for me right now.
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Re: Any marginally usable programming language approaches an ill defined barely usable re-implementation of half of Common-Lisp

2024-05-29 Thread Kaz Kylheku via Python-list
On 2024-05-29, HenHanna  wrote:
> On 5/27/2024 1:59 PM, 2qdxy4rzwzuui...@potatochowder.com wrote:
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenspun%27s_tenth_rule
>
>
> interesting!!!
>
> Are  the Rules 1--9  by  Greenspun   good too?

I don't think they exist; it's a joke.

However, Greenspun's resume of accomplishments is a marvel and
an inspiration, including many in Lisp.

A few highlights:

https://philip.greenspun.com/personal/resume

"Helped architect, simulate and design prototype of HP's Precision
Architecture RISC computer. The prototype took two man-years to complete
and ran at VAX 11/780 speed in June 1983. This architecture became the
basis of HP's computer product line for 15 years and then became the
basis for the 64-bit generation of Intel processors."

https://philip.greenspun.com/personal/resume-list

"Automatic Layout tools for VLSI, with an emphasis on bus cells and
automatic implementation of finite state machines (1984 for Symbolics)"

"Design tools on Symbolics Lisp Machine for RISC CPU implemented in TTL
(1982-3 for Hewlett Packard)" (in reference to the PA-RISC work).

"ConSolve system for automating earthmoving, entirely implemented in
Lisp (1986-1989 for ConSolve), including:

* Delaunay Triangulation-based terrain model, with C0 and C1 surface
   models.
* complete environment for earthworks and road design, including
  software to specify design surfaces, calculate costs of
  realizing design surfaces and automatic design tools
* tree-structured database of zoning laws and automatic testing of
  design compliance
* hydrology modelling to calculate drainage basins, streams and ridges
* simulation of earthmoving vehicles
* automated surveying using vehicles and location systems
* radio interface to Caterpillar vehicle, including CRCC error detection
* automatically generated user interface"

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Re: Any marginally usable programming language approaches an ill defined barely usable re-implementation of half of Common-Lisp

2024-05-29 Thread HenHanna via Python-list



On 5/27/2024 1:59 PM, 2qdxy4rzwzuui...@potatochowder.com wrote:

On 2024-05-27 at 12:37:01 -0700,
HenHanna via Python-list  wrote:



On 5/27/2024 7:18 AM, Cor wrote:

Some entity, AKA "B. Pym" ,
wrote this mindboggling stuff:
(selectively-snipped-or-not-p)


On 12/16/2023, c...@clsnet.nl wrote:


Any marginally usable programming language approaches an ill
     defined barely usable re-implementation of half of common-lisp


The good news is, it's not Lisp that sucks, but Common Lisp.
   --- Paul Graham


Just to set the record straight;
This is not My line.
I quoted it but don't know who the originator of that remark is.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenspun%27s_tenth_rule



interesting!!!

Are  the Rules 1--9  by  Greenspun   good too?


  does   Greenspun   pun ?

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Re: Any marginally usable programming language approaches an ill defined barely usable re-implementation of half of Common-Lisp

2024-05-27 Thread Dan Sommers via Python-list
On 2024-05-27 at 12:37:01 -0700,
HenHanna via Python-list  wrote:

> 
> On 5/27/2024 7:18 AM, Cor wrote:
> > Some entity, AKA "B. Pym" ,
> > wrote this mindboggling stuff:
> > (selectively-snipped-or-not-p)
> > 
> > > On 12/16/2023, c...@clsnet.nl wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Any marginally usable programming language approaches an ill
> > > > defined barely usable re-implementation of half of common-lisp
> > > 
> > > The good news is, it's not Lisp that sucks, but Common Lisp.
> > >   --- Paul Graham
> > 
> > Just to set the record straight;
> > This is not My line.
> > I quoted it but don't know who the originator of that remark is.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenspun%27s_tenth_rule
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Any marginally usable programming language approaches an ill defined barely usable re-implementation of half of Common-Lisp

2024-05-27 Thread HenHanna via Python-list



On 5/27/2024 7:18 AM, Cor wrote:

Some entity, AKA "B. Pym" ,
wrote this mindboggling stuff:
(selectively-snipped-or-not-p)


On 12/16/2023, c...@clsnet.nl wrote:


Any marginally usable programming language approaches an ill
    defined barely usable re-implementation of half of common-lisp


The good news is, it's not Lisp that sucks, but Common Lisp.
  --- Paul Graham


Just to set the record straight;
This is not My line.
I quoted it but don't know who the originator of that remark is.

Cor




a few years ago...  when i started learning Python...

 it was so  exciting...

Every day i thought...

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