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I recommend Scribes on Linux. It's simple, fast and powerful. Website: http://scribes.sf.net/ Flash Demo: http://scribes.sf.net/snippets.htm GIF Demo: http://www.minds.may.ie/~dez/images/blog/scribes.html JAG CHAN wrote: Friends, I am trying to learn Python. It will be of great help to me if you let me know which one would be best editor for learning Python. Plese note that I would like to have multiplatform editor which will be useful for both LInux and Windows XP. Thanks. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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JAG CHAN wrote: Friends, I am trying to learn Python. It will be of great help to me if you let me know which one would be best editor for learning Python. Plese note that I would like to have multiplatform editor which will be useful for both LInux and Windows XP. Thanks. My choice is SPE. It has wxGlade built-in for easy creation of wxPython GUIs, syntax error highlighting, etc. It's cross-platform too. It does require installing wxPython, though that's not difficult. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Friends, I am trying to learn Python. It will be of great help to me if you let me know which one would be best editor for learning Python. Plese note that I would like to have multiplatform editor which will be useful for both LInux and Windows XP. Thanks. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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I personally use Eclipse with PyDev. It is a cross-platform solution because Eclipse is made with Java. http://www.eclipse.org/ http://pydev.sourceforge.net/ Michiel Op 24-aug-2006, om 13:29 heeft JAG CHAN het volgende geschreven: Friends, I am trying to learn Python. It will be of great help to me if you let me know which one would be best editor for learning Python. Plese note that I would like to have multiplatform editor which will be useful for both LInux and Windows XP. Thanks. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On 2006-08-24, JAG CHAN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Friends, I am trying to learn Python. It will be of great help to me if you let me know which one would be best editor for learning Python. Plese note that I would like to have multiplatform editor which will be useful for both LInux and Windows XP. Start with IDLE, which will likely be available everywhere you use Python. The full instructions for using IDLE take up about two pages of text, which means it's lightweight, and it comes preconfigured with good Python integration. Learning a highly portable, industrial-strength program like Vim or emacs is something I highly recommend, but it's not necessarily a productive thing to do that at the same time you're learning Python. -- Neil Cerutti -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Title: Re: Best Editor I like ActiveState's KOMODO editor. It is multilanguage compiler editor. Its not free but it is inexpensive for what it does, IMO. I believe they have a 30day free trial and a version for both platforms you mentioned. -Caolan. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Michiel SikmaSent: Thu 8/24/2006 4:41 AMTo: JAG CHANCc: python-list@python.orgSubject: Re: Best Editor I personally use Eclipse with PyDev. It is a cross-platform solutionbecause Eclipse is made with Java.http://www.eclipse.org/http://pydev.sourceforge.net/MichielOp 24-aug-2006, om 13:29 heeft JAG CHAN het volgende geschreven: Friends, I am trying to learn Python. It will be of great help to me if you let me know which one would be best editor for learning Python. Plese note that I would like to have multiplatform editor which will be useful for both LInux and Windows XP. Thanks. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list--http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Neil Cerutti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Start with IDLE, which will likely be available everywhere you use Python. The full instructions for using IDLE take up about two pages of text, which means it's lightweight, and it comes preconfigured with good Python integration. Learning a highly portable, industrial-strength program like Vim or emacs is something I highly recommend, but it's not necessarily a productive thing to do that at the same time you're learning Python. Thanks friends. As you say, as a beginner will start with IDLE. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Wow I like the sound of Learning a highly portable, industrial-strength program like Vim or emacs is something I highly recommend. I use Aquamacs (it's emacs with Mac OS-X Interface) and emacs on other platform. It works great for me. Neil Cerutti wrote: On 2006-08-24, JAG CHAN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Friends, I am trying to learn Python. It will be of great help to me if you let me know which one would be best editor for learning Python. Plese note that I would like to have multiplatform editor which will be useful for both LInux and Windows XP. Start with IDLE, which will likely be available everywhere you use Python. The full instructions for using IDLE take up about two pages of text, which means it's lightweight, and it comes preconfigured with good Python integration. Learning a highly portable, industrial-strength program like Vim or emacs is something I highly recommend, but it's not necessarily a productive thing to do that at the same time you're learning Python. -- Neil Cerutti -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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some wxPy IDEs maybe better. Friends, I am trying to learn Python. It will be of great help to me if you let me know which one would be best editor for learning Python. Plese note that I would like to have multiplatform editor which will be useful for both LInux and Windows XP. Thanks. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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For myself, I use kdevelop, KDE's development environment, it handles a multitude of languages very well, and python is one of them. It has solid project management, and a slew of other features. If you are looking for something solid, I would go with kdevelop. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On 2006-03-26, Andrew Gwozdziewycz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you want something that won't get in your way, you should really use /bin/ed. It's probably simpler to use then searching the archives. /bin/ed will also run in cygwin for windows. Can one of you say to me what's the best editor for editing the python programs( for linux or windows ) The best editor is the one you like best. I'm a vim user with taglist--I'm not fully happy with how ctags does Python, but it's more than Good Enough. But editors are religious, and not worth arguing about, generally. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Christoph Zwerschke wrote: Just because nobody has mentioned them so far: - SciTe is a perfect editor for Pyhton on Win and Linx - PyScripter is a wonderful IDE (but only on Win) - DrPython is a nice platform independent editor/mini-IDE http://www.artima.com/forums/flat.jsp?forum=106thread=148389start=0msRange=15 http://activestate.com/Products/Komodo/?utm_source=home_pageutm_medium=bannerutm_campaign=Komodo http://wingware.com/ Also vim, emacs, jedit or eclipse, textmate, Leo, Kate, -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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gene tani wrote: Christoph Zwerschke wrote: Just because nobody has mentioned them so far: http://spyced.blogspot.com/2006/02/pycon-python-ide-review.html -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Can one of you say to me what's the best editor for editing the python programs( for linux or windows ) The Zeus for Windows IDE has support for Python: http://www.zeusedit.com/python.html It does Python code folding, smart indenting and syntax highlighting. It also has features like project/workspace mangement, ftp editing and class browsing etc. You can even write Zeus macros in Python. Jussi Jumppanen Author of: Zeus for Windows NOTE: Zeus is shareware -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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If you want something that won't get in your way, you should really use /bin/ed. It's probably simpler to use then searching the archives. /bin/ed will also run in cygwin for windows. Can one of you say to me what's the best editor for editing the python programs( for linux or windows ) --- Andrew Gwozdziewycz [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://ihadagreatview.org http://and.rovir.us -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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emacs google: python-mode - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, March 25, 2006 6:10 pm Subject: Re: What's The Best Editor for python To: python-list@python.org Can one of you say to me what's the best editor for editing the python programs( for linux or windows ) The Zeus for Windows IDE has support for Python: http://www.zeusedit.com/python.html It does Python code folding, smart indenting and syntax highlighting. It also has features like project/workspace mangement, ftp editing and class browsing etc. You can even write Zeus macros in Python. Jussi Jumppanen Author of: Zeus for Windows NOTE: Zeus is shareware -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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PythonStudent wrote: Hi, Can one of you say to me what's the best editor for editing the python programs ( for linux or windows ), and if you can send it to me to the adresse [EMAIL PROTECTED] `SPE http://pythonide.stani.be`_ :-) Fuzzyman http://www.voidspace.org.uk/python/index.shtml Thanks -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Can one of you say to me what's the best editor for editing the python programs ( for linux or windows ), and if you can send it to me to the adresse Hmmm...it's been almost a week since this topic came up on the list. Good to see the topic is undead :) For plenty of reading, check out the list archives: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/search?group=comp.lang.pythonq=editor+%28best+OR+perfect+OR+ideal%29 Pretty much any text editor will do. If you're developing on both Linux and Windows, it's an advantage to have an editor that you can use on both. I happen to use vim/vi which is available pretty much wherever you go. About the same sorta thing can be said for emacs, though I'm not a user, so I can't comment on it. I'll grant that vi/vim has a learning curve like a brick wall, but once you're over the initial learning hurdle, it reaps heaps of rewards. Check out http://www.python.org/moin/PythonEditors Try 'em out and see what *you* like. In a pinch, there's always ed: http://www.gnu.org/jokes/ed.msg.html http://www.gnu.org/software/ed/ed.html Or edlin if you're on Dos/Win32 :) Though I think in such an event on Dos/Win32, I'd almost rather use copy con as my editor... -tkc -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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PythonStudent [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Can one of you say to me what's the best editor for editing the python programs ( for linux or windows ), and if you can send it to me to the adresse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emacs runs on both. So do Eclipe and a lot of other... What is best? The one that solves your problems without getting in your way. -- Jorge Godoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur. - Qualquer coisa dita em latim soa profundo. - Anything said in Latin sounds smart. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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http://www.pspad.com/en/It supports Python plugins! :)Sebastjanhttp://www.trepca.si/blog On 24 Mar 2006 08:50:15 -0800, Fuzzyman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PythonStudent wrote: Hi, Can one of you say to me what's the best editor for editing the python programs ( for linux or windows ), and if you can send it to me to the adresse [EMAIL PROTECTED] `SPE http://pythonide.stani.be`_ :-) Fuzzyman http://www.voidspace.org.uk/python/index.shtml Thanks -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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PythonStudent wrote: Hi, Can one of you say to me what's the best editor for editing the python programs ( for linux or windows ), and if you can send it to me to the adresse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Why don´t you try the editor wich comes with Pythoncard. Or Notepad++ Thanks -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Food for thought... I admit it would be best if you could use the same editor for both *nix and Windows -- in that case, I'd say Scite would be best as it is almost identical in both environments. However, my own personal favorites are: Crimson Editor for Windows and Kate for Linux. Yes, I know... strange choices (especially Kate) but they both do what I need them to do. :-) Harlin Seritt -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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I agree, Kate is a great linux editor! On windows, I'd have to say notepad2- kate for windows -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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just to bloat this thread some more: Am I the only one using jEdit? (really, I never see it mentioned anywhere ...) wildemar -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Been using PyDev plugin for Eclipse for a week now... works pretty good, and integrates well with PyLint. Has some context-sensitive help, but not much. I wonder if writing a script to convert Python HTML docs to Javadoc format would help? H maybe I'll ask. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Was actually going to throw in jEdit for the category of what's good on both platforms... For someone who despises Java, I actually like it. :-) Harlin -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Wildemar Wildenburger wrote: just to bloat this thread some more: Am I the only one using jEdit? I've yet to find better for developing in jython -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], flamesrock [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes I agree, Kate is a great linux editor! On windows, I'd have to say notepad2- kate for windows Well, Notepad might be a bare-bones. I enjoy using UltraEdit, though not UEStudio (the IDE version). You can include a wordfile to get Python syntax recognition. Tools are user configurable globally or by project - my first three global tools are Check (with pychecker), Test and Run Regards Ian -- Ian Parker -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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PythonStudent wrote: Hi, Can one of you say to me what's the best editor for editing the python programs ( for linux or windows ) What may be best for me, may not necessarily work for you nor anybody else. Personally, I like to use Kate, Pico, or Joe on Linux, and Notepad2 or IDLE editor for Windows. Cheers, -M -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Just because nobody has mentioned them so far: - SciTe is a perfect editor for Pyhton on Win and Linx - PyScripter is a wonderful IDE (but only on Win) - DrPython is a nice platform independent editor/mini-IDE There is no one editor that could be called the best one, but there are many which are far better suited for Python than the simple standard text editors (Notepad Co). Maybe you prefer to have one editor that suits all your programming and typing needs (not only Python), so you don't have to use different editors Python, HTML, XML, config files etc. SciTe performs very well here, and of course also Emacs... -- Christoph -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Mike Meyer wrote: Gee, it's changed from eight to eighty. Probably because eight is a small app by todays standards. Then again, it's not like 80 is large these days. Yeah, it's probably time to upgrade it to 800. :-) -- Greg Ewing, Computer Science Dept, University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand http://www.cosc.canterbury.ac.nz/~greg -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Mike Meyer wrote: Yup, that's why emacs stands for Eighty Megabytes And Constantly Swapping. ;-) Gee, it's changed from eight to eighty. Probably because eight is a small app by todays standards. Then again, it's not like 80 is large these days. my emacs starts in no time at all, and consumes just under 6 megs with python- mode and a couple of moderately-sized python modules in memory. that's just over 1% of the available memory on this stock hardware. guess my emacs is broken. /F -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Aahz) writes: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mike Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Aahz) writes: Use vim. 80% of the power of emacs at 20% of the learning curve. Hmm. Can I read mail/news/web pages in vim? I can in emacs. Yup, that's why emacs stands for Eighty Megabytes And Constantly Swapping. ;-) Gee, it's changed from eight to eighty. Probably because eight is a small app by todays standards. Then again, it's not like 80 is large these days. Of course, you don't have to load any of the code for doing those things if you don't want to use it. Emacs is a computing environment. I read mail and news in it, so I don't have to worry about learning some applications custom editor (ok, a good MUA/newsreader will invoke my favorite editor - but that's Emacs, so why bother). I use emacs for the heavy lifting. Doesn't work so well when you want to use an application that isn't emacs, yet still invoke a custom editor. But yeah, if you consider emacs a Way of Life, then you're making sense. You tell those applications to use emacsclient as the editor, and add (gnuserv-start) to your emacs init file. This is especially usefull when running applications that want to start an editor in a shell window in emacs. mike -- Mike Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Independent WWW/Perforce/FreeBSD/Unix consultant, email for more information. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Mike Meyer wrote: For quick edits (as either root or me) I use ex. I can't get past ed not having a prompt. For a Linux gui editor, try NEdit. It's almost identical to the old PFE editor for Windoze and it 'knows' Python. LittleJohn Madison, AL -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Aahz) writes: Use vim. 80% of the power of emacs at 20% of the learning curve. Hmm. Can I read mail/news/web pages in vim? I can in emacs. Emacs is a computing environment. I read mail and news in it, so I don't have to worry about learning some applications custom editor (ok, a good MUA/newsreader will invoke my favorite editor - but that's Emacs, so why bother). I use emacs for the heavy lifting. vi is adequate, and I use it for editing things as root. Every once and a while I'll start an emacs as root, but I do try to avoid that. For quick edits (as either root or me) I use ex. I can't get past ed not having a prompt. mike -- Mike Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Independent WWW/Perforce/FreeBSD/Unix consultant, email for more information. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mike Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Aahz) writes: Use vim. 80% of the power of emacs at 20% of the learning curve. Hmm. Can I read mail/news/web pages in vim? I can in emacs. Yup, that's why emacs stands for Eighty Megabytes And Constantly Swapping. ;-) Emacs is a computing environment. I read mail and news in it, so I don't have to worry about learning some applications custom editor (ok, a good MUA/newsreader will invoke my favorite editor - but that's Emacs, so why bother). I use emacs for the heavy lifting. Doesn't work so well when you want to use an application that isn't emacs, yet still invoke a custom editor. But yeah, if you consider emacs a Way of Life, then you're making sense. -- Aahz ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) * http://www.pythoncraft.com/ The joy of coding Python should be in seeing short, concise, readable classes that express a lot of action in a small amount of clear code -- not in reams of trivial code that bores the reader to death. --GvR -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Howdy, I'm sold on out Leo, http://leo.sf.net, pure Python amazingly easy to learn and powerful. Based on outlining, it provides a powerful and flexible way to manage content. Lots of built in Python code awareness. Extensible with plugins, a very active community is making I wish my editor could ... come true every day. A peek at the SF forum gives an idea of how active the development pace is http://sourceforge.net/forum/?group_id=3458 It's different than other editors, I'd suggest trying it. Thanks, Kent -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Joey C. wrote: When I'm using Windows, I have found the Syn TextEditor The Zeus for Windows programmer's supports Python: http://www.zeusedit.com/lookmain.html Some of the programming specific features include: + Code folding (supports python) + Integrated class browser + Project/workspace management + Fully configurable syntax highlighting + FTP editing + Integrated version control (including CVS) + Fully scriptable using Python, Lua, JavaScript, VbScript But Zeus is shareware and cost $35-00 to register. It is free to test drive the editor as the shareware version runs fully functional for 60 days. Jussi Jumppanen Author of: Zeus for Windows (New version 3.94 out now) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Dnia 5 Apr 2005 11:22:59 -0700, ChinStrap napisa(a): Opinions on what the best is? Eclipse + plugins: pydev (http://pydev.sourceforge.net/updates/) and subclipse(http://subclipse.tigris.org/update/). It is free, stable, contains integrated (visual) debugger, code completion, refactoring, PyLint for deep analise of python code, and fine work with SVN. For win32 lighter solution is PythownWin (http://activestate.com/Products/ActivePython/). It's very stable, fast and has very good debugger. -- JZ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Paul McGuire wrote: SciTE (Scintilla Text Editor) is just right for me too. Low overhead, great just as a Notepad alternative, but with good coding support too. -- Paul Yes, I use SciTE. Syntax marking and multiple buffers. Works with Windows and Linux. Boa-constructor (Scintilla based editor), aside from being a GUI designer, provides all of the above, with a debug capability. PythonWin (scintilla based editor) is Windows only. It provides the Edit/Debug functionality of Boa and has an excellent auto-completion facility - this is particularly helpful when one doesn't remember the name or parameters of a function of method. It currently has a bug which slows things down at times but, I understand that this is fixed in the forthcoming build 204. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Yes, we vi/vim users are apparently extraordinary. Is that such a sad thing? ;-) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Nicolay A. Vasiliev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello! What do you think all about ActiveState Komodo? Is this specifically to me? I haven't tried it, but I'm tempted. I've recently begun teaching my wife some Python in order to help her write a useful GUI app, and that makes it look particularly tempting. I'm using BoaConstructor for the GUI stuff at the moment. It has a bit of a learning curve, but it looks nice so far. -michael Michael George Lerner wrote: Aahz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Use vim. 80% of the power of emacs at 20% of the learning curve. A system administrator said this to me about unix a long time ago, but it applies equally well to emacs: Emacs is a great place to live, but I'd hate to visit. -michael, an (x)emacs user -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Hello ChinStrap, When not using the interactive prompt, what are you using? I keep hearing everyone say Emacs, but I can't understand it at all. I keep trying to learn and understand why so many seem to like it because I can't understand customization even without going through a hundred menus that might contain the thing I am looking for (or I could go learn another language just to customize!). Emacs (or VIm in my case) takes time to learn. However when you start to understand it and know you way around it'll do things no other editor will do for you. Personally I like SciTE, it has everything I think a midweight editor should: code folding, proper python support, nice colors out of the box, hotkey access to compile (I'm sure emacs does this, but I couldn't figure out for the life of me how), etc. If you're happy with SciTE stay with it. Opinions on what the best is? Or reading I could get to maybe sway me to Emacs (which has the major advantage of being on everyone's system). Everyone has his/her/it own favorite editor. It's very individual, I'm hooked on VIm while others won't touch it. HTH. -- Miki Tebeka [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://tebeka.bizhat.com The only difference between children and adults is the price of the toys pgpztuUvZUl8y.pgp Description: PGP signature -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Hello! What do you think all about ActiveState Komodo? Michael George Lerner wrote: Aahz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Use vim. 80% of the power of emacs at 20% of the learning curve. A system administrator said this to me about unix a long time ago, but it applies equally well to emacs: Emacs is a great place to live, but I'd hate to visit. -michael, an (x)emacs user -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Miki == Miki Tebeka [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Miki Emacs (or VIm in my case) takes time to learn. However when Miki you start to understand it and know you way around it'll do Miki things no other editor will do for you. Other editors also do stuff Emacs won't do. Code completion is a killer feature and emacs sucks at it (yes, w/ Cedet too). Emacs is pretty good for Python if you can't wait for something like Eclipse+pydev to start (which is a good choice, and worth learning). Emacs is not necessarily worth learning unless you are an emacs user already. Emacs also looks so horrible in Linux that I tend to go for Kate when I'm at home. -- Ville Vainio http://tinyurl.com/2prnb -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tuesday 05 April 2005 11:22 am, ChinStrap wrote:
I keep hearing everyone say Emacs, but I can't understand it at all.
Both emacs and vi suffer from the fact that they can not be used by ordinary
humans.
My my my... I'm sorry to learn I'm not an ordinary human :(
Thus, I recommend using either to impress your friends.
Err... most of my friend not being coders, they don't even have a clue
about what are emacs and vim, so they're not really impressed. The other
are coders and use either vim or emacs or both, so they're not really
impressed either...
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[Harry George] 5. When I do Extreme Programming, the other author(s) tend to be using emacs, vim, or nedit. [...] Speaking of, when everybody uses Emacs, there is a way for Emacs for allowing many users, each on a different networked machine, all on the very same buffer, simultaneously. This sharing has been useful to us in a number of occasions, and we had scripts for quickly initiating such collaboration at any time (resolving `xauth' matters, for example). Note that it requires a lot of confidence between the collaborating users, as they all have extended powers on the editing session. -- François Pinard http://pinard.progiciels-bpi.ca -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Well I would be more than willing to learn Emacs if it does all these things you speak of, but really I can't get started because the default scheme is so friggin ugly it isn't funny. Anyone want to send me a configuration setup with Python in mind, and decent colors? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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François Pinard [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [...] Overall, Vim is also cleaner than Emacs, and this pleases me. [...] Is this still true when comparing XEmacs vs. vim? (rather than GNU Emacs vs. vim) I've always used GNU Emacs, but I have got the impression that XEmacs is (was?) cleaner in some ways. John -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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ChinStrap [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When not using the interactive prompt, what are you using? I keep hearing everyone say Emacs, but I can't understand it at all. I keep trying to learn and understand why so many seem to like it because I can't understand customization even without going through a hundred menus that might contain the thing I am looking for (or I could go learn another language just to customize!). [...] Opinions on what the best is? Or reading I could get to maybe sway me to Emacs (which has the major advantage of being on everyone's system). Two reasons I use emacs: 1. For any question Can I do X with emacs, the answer is almost always yes, use this code that's already written and working 2. I already know it ;-) BTW, I use vi keybindings, and I imagine all other editors can do the same (though perhaps not as well as viper, the emacs package that does this -- see 1. above), so that's no reason in itself to use vim. John -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Ville Vainio [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Miki == Miki Tebeka [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Miki Emacs (or VIm in my case) takes time to learn. However when Miki you start to understand it and know you way around it'll do Miki things no other editor will do for you. Other editors also do stuff Emacs won't do. Code completion is a killer feature and emacs sucks at it (yes, w/ Cedet too). [...] I thought that too, but then I bound dabbrev-expand to F4, and it seems even better than 'proper' completion (for reducing keystrokes, anyway). John -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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caneff == ChinStrap [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: caneff Anyone want to send me a configuration setup with Python caneff in mind, and decent colors? http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/ColorTheme -- Ville Vainio http://tinyurl.com/2prnb -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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jjl == John J Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Other editors also do stuff Emacs won't do. Code completion is a killer feature and emacs sucks at it (yes, w/ Cedet too). jjl I thought that too, but then I bound dabbrev-expand to F4, jjl and it seems even better than 'proper' completion (for jjl reducing keystrokes, anyway). But does not work when you don't know/can't recall what methods are available for the object you are looking at. -- Ville Vainio http://tinyurl.com/2prnb -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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[John J. Lee] François Pinard [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [...] Overall, Vim is also cleaner than Emacs, and this pleases me. [...] Is this still true when comparing XEmacs vs. vim? (rather than GNU Emacs vs. vim) I've always used GNU Emacs, but I have got the impression that XEmacs is (was?) cleaner in some ways. I have much less experience with XEmacs. One friend of mine (Horvje) is quite involved in XEmacs development, and he convinced me to give it a serious and honest try. I did, yet never as deeply as I learned Emacs. My feeling has been that XEmacs, despite cleaner and offering a lot, in the realm of attractive chrome and original features, is slower overall and a bit less stable than GNU Emacs (Richard just _hates_ when one opposes XEmacs to GNU Emacs, and by doing so, involuntarily suggesting that XEmacs might not be GNU! But I'm not in GNU politics nowadays! :-). What most discouraged me is that fact that, at the time of my tries, neither Allout nor RMAIL were supported, both of which I was heavily using[1]. And also a few other gooddies as well. I know from users that Pymacs, which allows for Python usage from within Emacs, is supported in XEmacs just as well as in GNU Emacs. [1] Now in Vim, I switched from RMAIL to plain `mbox', and now use Mutt as a mail user agent -- which I find blazingly speedy even on big folders. For Allout, I rewrote an Allout support for Vim, as I could not walk away from it -- alternative solutions were too heavy. -- François Pinard http://pinard.progiciels-bpi.ca -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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I bought the Komodo personal edition, and at only $30, it is worth it for the regular expression toolkit alone. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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When I'm using Windows, I have found the Syn TextEditor (http://syn.sourceforge.net) to be quite useful. It has basic syntax highlighting, about enough for me and is quite compatible with FTP and such. It supports Python pretty well. Its user interface is quite easy yet pretty powerful. All in all, this is a very good editor, good enough that I probably won't go looking for another one any time soon. On Linux however (which I haven't used in quite some time, sadly), I usually use vim more than emacs. To tell you the truth, I haven't really used emacs that much at all, only for a short time. I keep meaning to actually try it out and get used to it, but I always find that if I need to edit a file quickly, I just go to vim. Then again, I don't write much Python code in Linux anyways. Even so, I intend to try emacs out soon. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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When not using the interactive prompt, what are you using? I keep hearing everyone say Emacs, but I can't understand it at all. I keep trying to learn and understand why so many seem to like it because I can't understand customization even without going through a hundred menus that might contain the thing I am looking for (or I could go learn another language just to customize!). Personally I like SciTE, it has everything I think a midweight editor should: code folding, proper python support, nice colors out of the box, hotkey access to compile (I'm sure emacs does this, but I couldn't figure out for the life of me how), etc. Opinions on what the best is? Or reading I could get to maybe sway me to Emacs (which has the major advantage of being on everyone's system). -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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I use gedit under gnome, works perfect, it is very easy to use, it has the colours - it also supports other languages. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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ChinStrap wrote: When not using the interactive prompt, what are you using? I keep hearing everyone say Emacs, but I can't understand it at all. I keep trying to learn and understand why so many seem to like it because I can't understand customization even without going through a hundred menus that might contain the thing I am looking for (or I could go learn another language just to customize!). Epsilon http://www.lugaru.com/ is a commercial Emacs-like editor with a built-in Python mode and will automatically treat .py files as being Python. No fiddling is required. It works well, and I spend many of my waking hours in front of an Epsilon (even created a Fortran mode :)). I think Epsilon is used more on Windows than Linux/Unix, where Emacs and XEmacs have existed for a long time, but an Epsilon license contains binaries for Linux and other Unices as well. XEmacs/Emacs frustrate me, for example constantly asking if I want to enable a recursive mini-buffer, which I have no clue about or interest in. Epsilon is a well-done Emacs IMO. A key benefit of Emacs-like editors, including Epsilon, is that one can run the shell (cmd.exe prompt on Windows, bash/csh/ksh on Unix) from within the editor. One can fill the entire screen with an Emacs, split it into buffers for source codes and a shell, and live happily ever after :). Standard output is not lost but can be retrieved just by scrolling up in the editor. I am addicted to running a shell within an Emacs-like editor. Of course there are many good editors -- don't feel obligated to use Emacs if you are happy and productive with something else. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ChinStrap wrote: When not using the interactive prompt, what are you using? I keep hearing everyone say Emacs, but I can't understand it at all. I keep trying to learn and understand why so many seem to like it because I can't understand customization even without going through a hundred menus that might contain the thing I am looking for (or I could go learn another language just to customize!). Epsilon http://www.lugaru.com/ is a commercial Emacs-like editor with a built-in Python mode and will automatically treat .py files as being Python. No fiddling is required. It works well, and I spend many of my waking hours in front of an Epsilon (even created a Fortran mode :)). I think Epsilon is used more on Windows than Linux/Unix, where Emacs and XEmacs have existed for a long time, but an Epsilon license contains binaries for Linux and other Unices as well. $250 just for an Emacs clone? Sorry, but this is a bit greedy. Sure, it does some things differently, but in the same time you learn Epsilon, you can learn Emacs. XEmacs/Emacs frustrate me, for example constantly asking if I want to enable a recursive mini-buffer, which I have no clue about or interest in. Epsilon is a well-done Emacs IMO. constantly? You seem to make fundamental mistakes using Emacs. Reading one or two tutorials could have helped. mfg Georg -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Windows: textpad Linux: vim -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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ChinStrap wrote: Opinions on what the best is? The best editor? Ed is the standard text editor. Accept no substitutes. -- Michael Hoffman -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], ChinStrap [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When not using the interactive prompt, what are you using? I keep hearing everyone say Emacs, but I can't understand it at all. I keep trying to learn and understand why so many seem to like it because I can't understand customization even without going through a hundred menus that might contain the thing I am looking for (or I could go learn another language just to customize!). Use vim. 80% of the power of emacs at 20% of the learning curve. -- Aahz ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) * http://www.pythoncraft.com/ The joy of coding Python should be in seeing short, concise, readable classes that express a lot of action in a small amount of clear code -- not in reams of trivial code that bores the reader to death. --GvR -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Hi All-- Aahz wrote: Use vim. 80% of the power of emacs at 20% of the learning curve. I think Aahz has it dead on. Umpty-mumble years ago I spent six weeks learning emacs lisp and customizing emacs until it did EXACTLY what I wanted. It was a great user interface, logical, consistent, orthagonal. It had only one thing wrong with it; it depended on hardware keyboard features that PC keyboards don't have. It would have taken me six weeks to retrain myself to the standard emacs interface, so I used vi. When vim became available, I switched to that. There's a good book available for vim: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0735710015/qid=1112743931/sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_1/102-7196910-2449750 It's excellent; even the index is useful, which is more than I can say for 80% of the O'Reilly books out there, much as I love 'em. Metta, Ivan -- Ivan Van Laningham God N Locomotive Works http://www.andi-holmes.com/ http://www.foretec.com/python/workshops/1998-11/proceedings.html Army Signal Corps: Cu Chi, Class of '70 Author: Teach Yourself Python in 24 Hours -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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ChinStrap wrote: When not using the interactive prompt, what are you using? I keep hearing everyone say Emacs, but I can't understand it at all. I keep trying to learn and understand why so many seem to like it because I can't understand customization even without going through a hundred menus that might contain the thing I am looking for (or I could go learn another language just to customize!). Personally I like SciTE, it has everything I think a midweight editor should: code folding, proper python support, nice colors out of the box, hotkey access to compile (I'm sure emacs does this, but I couldn't figure out for the life of me how), etc. Opinions on what the best is? Or reading I could get to maybe sway me to Emacs (which has the major advantage of being on everyone's system). There is only a best editor if you aare convinced that only oine measure is important, allowing you to place all editors on a single straight line and declare the one that appears furthest to the left or right the best. In practice, of course, different people value different editor characteristics, so there are a multitude of opinions about which is best. regards Steve -- Steve Holden+1 703 861 4237 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC http://www.holdenweb.com/ Python Web Programming http://pydish.holdenweb.com/ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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[Aahz] Use vim. 80% of the power of emacs at 20% of the learning curve. I used Emacs for a long while, and learned it a bit thoroughly. I also learned Vim mor recently, and still have many things to study. See http://pinard.progiciels-bpi.ca/opinions/editors.html for some (incomplete) thoughts on both, Emacs in particular. If you do only light use of editors, both Emacs and Vim are rather easy, despite tinily annoying for some details, each its own details :-). If you deeply use them, they both require a lot of learning, eventually. Emacs does a few things that are difficult in Vim, but we can usually live without those few things, not overly missing them. Both editors are also extensible with Python, and Vim does Python a bit more nicely. Overall, Vim is also cleaner than Emacs, and this pleases me. This in between light and deep use that Aahz is most right: Vim offers many niceties that undoubtedly require some learning, yet significantly less than Emacs. Emacs has a lot more knobs to adjust, which is not always so advantageous for average users, and overkill for casual users. Whatever Emacs or Vim, learn to extend it with Python. There, you get a great deal of added power and flexibility for almost free, assuming and given that you already are a Python lover. -- François Pinard http://pinard.progiciels-bpi.ca -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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SciTE (Scintilla Text Editor) is just right for me too. Low overhead, great just as a Notepad alternative, but with good coding support too. -- Paul -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Tuesday 05 April 2005 11:22 am, ChinStrap wrote: I keep hearing everyone say Emacs, but I can't understand it at all. Both emacs and vi suffer from the fact that they can not be used by ordinary humans. Thus, I recommend using either to impress your friends. James -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Aahz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Use vim. 80% of the power of emacs at 20% of the learning curve. A system administrator said this to me about unix a long time ago, but it applies equally well to emacs: Emacs is a great place to live, but I'd hate to visit. -michael, an (x)emacs user -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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ChinStrap [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Opinions on what the best is? Or reading I could get to maybe sway me to Emacs (which has the major advantage of being on everyone's system). When I first started using emacs, progress was slow, but through my persistence, I was able to harness the power of a very powerful editor. I find that with emacs I rarely touch the mouse when editing code. I just love the idea of splitting emacs into multiple windows, one with my current projects source code, another one with py-shell loaded up (which makes for a wonderful interactive python session with all of your emacs key bindings), a third window with GNUS (emacs news-reader) and lastly chatting in a 4th window with ERC, an emacs IRC chat client. Doing all these activities from within one editor just gives one an enormous sense of satisfaction. A one stop shop editing tool-box at your disposal. For me, maximum comfort working within emacs included swapping the CTRL key with the CAPS lock key. It's just so much more comfortable on the pinky finger! In windows this meant changing a registry key and on linux, altering a keymap config. file. Emacs may seem awkward at first, but the payoff was amazing for me. This is comparable to my first experiences with python. Now, one of my greatest joys is writing python code using emacs. -- Mike L.G. http://www.mahalosoft.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
