Re: Book Recomendations
On Mar 2, 6:16 am, David Cook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 2008-03-02, Jeff Schwab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Python In A Nutshell: > >http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/pythonian2/ > > Another vote for the Nutshell book, which I find a very useful and practical > book. > > I never found the "Dive in" book useful. > > Dave Cook Here's another vote for Python in a Nutshell. If you have a lot of experience with other languages, it should be all you need to get up to speed with python quickly. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Book Recomendations
The "Python Forum" has a good set of selections in their "General Forum" section: http://python-forum.org/pythonforum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=12&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&sid=9b04b79b60f9afb56e4237856910d354&start=20 -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Book Recomendations
Ira Solomon wrote: > I am an experienced programmer (40 years). I've done Algol (if you've > heard of that you must be old too), PL/1, VB,VBA, a little C, and a > few other odd languages (e.g. Taskmate). > I'm interested in learning Python and have downloaded a slew of books. > Too many. > I'd like a recommendation as to which books are considered to be the > cream of the crop. > I know there are tutorials on the web, but, again, I don't know the > quality. I would appreciate recommendations on those as well. > > Thanks > > Ira Different people have different learning styles. Two books I like are Wesley Chun's Core Python Programming (2nd edition) and Mangnus Hetland's Beginning Python. Have fun with Python. I discovered it about 7 years ago, use it by choice for my intermittent programming requirements and find it a pleasure to use. Also this group is very helpful. (My programming experience also goes back to Algol, Basic and assembler circa 1965. Which makes me middle aged, but not necessarily experienced :) ) David -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Book Recomendations
Tommy Nordgren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On 2 mar 2008, at 01.56, Ira Solomon wrote: > >> I am an experienced programmer (40 years). I've done Algol (if you've >> heard of that you must be old too), PL/1, VB,VBA, a little C, and a >> few other odd languages (e.g. Taskmate). >> I'm interested in learning Python and have downloaded a slew of books. >> Too many. >> I'd like a recommendation as to which books are considered to be the >> cream of the crop. >> I know there are tutorials on the web, but, again, I don't know the >> quality. I would appreciate recommendations on those as well. >> >> Thanks >> >> Ira >> -- >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list > I would recommend "Programming Python", by Mark Lutz, from O'Reillys Programming Python assumes you already have a working knowledge of basic Python programming (that is, it assumes you've read Learning Python). -- Micah J. Cowan Programmer, musician, typesetting enthusiast, gamer... http://micah.cowan.name/ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Book Recomendations
> Ira Solomon wrote: >> I am an experienced programmer (40 years) . . . >> I'm interested in learning Python > js wrote: >> I wonder why nobody mension Python Cookbook yet . . . >> and Python Standard Library Because cookbooks are not supposed to be language introductions. They are collections of non-obvious techniques, for use by people already familiar with a core language and its standard libraries. Python in particular offers a lot for traditional programmers to wrap their minds around before considering cookbooks; Programming Python, for example, purports to help programmers think Pythonically, and probably belongs chronologically between the introductory books and the cookbooks. Many programmers coming from different languages tend (at first) to write code that makes experienced Pythonistas cringe. Effective use of the language depends on an understanding of its extremely dynamic nature, which can be tough to grasp for those of us coming from compiled language backgrounds. It seems to me, based purely on discussions seen in comp.lang.python, that even folks coming from relatively dynamic languages like Lisp often underestimate the level of run-time indirection provided by Python. One of the neat things about the Nutshell book is that it shows how even the process of resolving object attributes is potentially complicated, and how the new 'type' metaclass helps to at least make the process more consistent than with old-style objects. Experienced programmers first have to learn that an expression like "a.x" means something very different in Python from what it means elsewhere; then, they can begin leveraging these language features to do the sorts of things illustrated in the cookbooks. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Book Recomendations
I liked Core Python Programming 2nd edition! On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 4:27 PM, Ken Dere <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ira Solomon wrote: > > > I am an experienced programmer (40 years). I've done Algol (if you've > > heard of that you must be old too), PL/1, VB,VBA, a little C, and a > > few other odd languages (e.g. Taskmate). > > I'm interested in learning Python and have downloaded a slew of books. > > Too many. > > I'd like a recommendation as to which books are considered to be the > > cream of the crop. > > I know there are tutorials on the web, but, again, I don't know the > > quality. I would appreciate recommendations on those as well. > > > > Thanks > > > > Ira > > I started off with Fortran 6X so I have been in the business about as > long. > Do just about everything now in Python. > > I liked Learning Python > > > Ken D. > -- > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list > -- http://search.goldwatches.com/?Search=Movado+Watches http://www.jewelerslounge.com http://www.goldwatches.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Book Recomendations
Ira Solomon wrote: > I am an experienced programmer (40 years). I've done Algol (if you've > heard of that you must be old too), PL/1, VB,VBA, a little C, and a > few other odd languages (e.g. Taskmate). > I'm interested in learning Python and have downloaded a slew of books. > Too many. > I'd like a recommendation as to which books are considered to be the > cream of the crop. > I know there are tutorials on the web, but, again, I don't know the > quality. I would appreciate recommendations on those as well. > > Thanks > > Ira I started off with Fortran 6X so I have been in the business about as long. Do just about everything now in Python. I liked Learning Python Ken D. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Book Recomendations
On 2 mar 2008, at 01.56, Ira Solomon wrote: > I am an experienced programmer (40 years). I've done Algol (if you've > heard of that you must be old too), PL/1, VB,VBA, a little C, and a > few other odd languages (e.g. Taskmate). > I'm interested in learning Python and have downloaded a slew of books. > Too many. > I'd like a recommendation as to which books are considered to be the > cream of the crop. > I know there are tutorials on the web, but, again, I don't know the > quality. I would appreciate recommendations on those as well. > > Thanks > > Ira > -- > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list I would recommend "Programming Python", by Mark Lutz, from O'Reillys -- "Home is not where you are born, but where your heart finds peace" - Tommy Nordgren, "The dying old crone" [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Book Recomendations
On 2008-03-02, Jeff Schwab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Python In A Nutshell: > http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/pythonian2/ Another vote for the Nutshell book, which I find a very useful and practical book. I never found the "Dive in" book useful. Dave Cook -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Book Recomendations
I wonder why nobody mension Python Cookbook yet. http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/pythoncook2/ Web version: http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/Cookbook/Python/ and Python Standard Library http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/pythonsl/ http://effbot.org/zone/librarybook-index.htm On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 4:09 PM, Paddy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mar 2, 12:56 am, Ira Solomon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I am an experienced programmer (40 years). I've done Algol (if you've > > heard of that you must be old too), PL/1, VB,VBA, a little C, and a > > few other odd languages (e.g. Taskmate). > > I'm interested in learning Python and have downloaded a slew of books. > > Too many. > > I'd like a recommendation as to which books are considered to be the > > cream of the crop. > > I know there are tutorials on the web, but, again, I don't know the > > quality. I would appreciate recommendations on those as well. > > > > Thanks > > > > Ira > > Hi Ira, > Get Python installed on your machine - I would suggest the latest 2.5 > release then either start up idle (or pythonwin if you have that on > windows), or just type python at a command line prompt to get you to > pythons shell. > > The Python shell together with the official tutorial is a great way to > learn Python. > > If you start to flag, then their are a few videos of pre-teen kids > learning Python here: > http://showmedo.com/videos/python?topic=beginner_programming > If they can learn it ;-) > > Welcome to Python, have fun! > > - Paddy. > > > -- > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list > -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Book Recomendations
On Mar 2, 12:56 am, Ira Solomon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am an experienced programmer (40 years). I've done Algol (if you've > heard of that you must be old too), PL/1, VB,VBA, a little C, and a > few other odd languages (e.g. Taskmate). > I'm interested in learning Python and have downloaded a slew of books. > Too many. > I'd like a recommendation as to which books are considered to be the > cream of the crop. > I know there are tutorials on the web, but, again, I don't know the > quality. I would appreciate recommendations on those as well. > > Thanks > > Ira Hi Ira, Get Python installed on your machine - I would suggest the latest 2.5 release then either start up idle (or pythonwin if you have that on windows), or just type python at a command line prompt to get you to pythons shell. The Python shell together with the official tutorial is a great way to learn Python. If you start to flag, then their are a few videos of pre-teen kids learning Python here: http://showmedo.com/videos/python?topic=beginner_programming If they can learn it ;-) Welcome to Python, have fun! - Paddy. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Book Recomendations
On Mar 2, 6:56 am, Ira Solomon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am an experienced programmer (40 years). I've done Algol (if you've > heard of that you must be old too), PL/1, VB,VBA, a little C, and a > few other odd languages (e.g. Taskmate). > I'm interested in learning Python and have downloaded a slew of books. > Too many. > I'd like a recommendation as to which books are considered to be the > cream of the crop. > I know there are tutorials on the web, but, again, I don't know the > quality. I would appreciate recommendations on those as well. > > Thanks > > Ira I have found that 'Dive into Python' is a good book for people who have experience with other languages. It's available free here: http://www.diveintopython.org/ regards, Subeen http://love-python.blogspot.com/ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Book Recomendations
Ira Solomon wrote: > I am an experienced programmer (40 years). I've done Algol (if you've > heard of that you must be old too), PL/1, VB,VBA, a little C, and a > few other odd languages (e.g. Taskmate). > I'm interested in learning Python and have downloaded a slew of books. > Too many. > I'd like a recommendation as to which books are considered to be the > cream of the crop. > I know there are tutorials on the web, but, again, I don't know the > quality. I would appreciate recommendations on those as well. Python In A Nutshell: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/pythonian2/ Here's a previous discussion of books for newbies, but I gave my recommendations for other experienced programmers; be forwarned that I'm not quite as experienced as you appear to be. :) http://www.nabble.com/newbie-in-python-td15608979.html#nabble.star15617714-1 -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Book Recomendations
Ira Solomon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I am an experienced programmer (40 years). I've done Algol (if you've > heard of that you must be old too), PL/1, VB,VBA, a little C, and a > few other odd languages (e.g. Taskmate). > I'm interested in learning Python and have downloaded a slew of books. > Too many. > I'd like a recommendation as to which books are considered to be the > cream of the crop. > I know there are tutorials on the web, but, again, I don't know the > quality. I would appreciate recommendations on those as well. I have found the official documentation available at python.org (including both the tutorial and references) to be very high-quality. -- Micah J. Cowan Programmer, musician, typesetting enthusiast, gamer... http://micah.cowan.name/ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Book Recomendations
On Mar 1, 7:56 pm, Ira Solomon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am an experienced programmer (40 years). I've done Algol (if you've > heard of that you must be old too), PL/1, VB,VBA, a little C, and a > few other odd languages (e.g. Taskmate). > I'm interested in learning Python and have downloaded a slew of books. > Too many. > I'd like a recommendation as to which books are considered to be the > cream of the crop. > I know there are tutorials on the web, but, again, I don't know the > quality. I would appreciate recommendations on those as well. > > Thanks > > Ira I would recommend checking out the official Python tutorial - http://docs.python.org/tut/ - it has some valuable information, and is always kept up to date. I'm haven't looked at any Python books (yet), so I can't provide any recommendations there. HTH. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Book Recomendations
On Saturday 01 March 2008, Ira Solomon wrote: > I am an experienced programmer (40 years). I've done Algol (if you've > heard of that you must be old too), PL/1, VB,VBA, a little C, and a > few other odd languages (e.g. Taskmate). > I'm interested in learning Python and have downloaded a slew of books. > Too many. > I'd like a recommendation as to which books are considered to be the > cream of the crop. > I know there are tutorials on the web, but, again, I don't know the > quality. I would appreciate recommendations on those as well. The official tutorial is required reading. After that, Dive Into Python (http://diveintopython.org/). Cheers, Tro -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Book Recomendations
I am an experienced programmer (40 years). I've done Algol (if you've heard of that you must be old too), PL/1, VB,VBA, a little C, and a few other odd languages (e.g. Taskmate). I'm interested in learning Python and have downloaded a slew of books. Too many. I'd like a recommendation as to which books are considered to be the cream of the crop. I know there are tutorials on the web, but, again, I don't know the quality. I would appreciate recommendations on those as well. Thanks Ira -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
