Re: Can't find Python Library packages in Ubuntu (Debian)
Scott David Daniels wrote: So, the first question is: How do I install the complete Python test framework under Ubuntu (Debian)? You could use BZR or SVN to get a copy of the full Lib/test tree. Given your long-disconnected running, I'd consider getting a full source set for release25-maint. Note that as of Python 2.6 / 3.0, if Python is not restricted to system directories for security reasons (if sys.flags.no_user_site is non-0), you may make a directory in your home directory to be searched. See http://docs.python.org/library/site.html for details on USER_SITE and USER_BASE. That will allow you to place a test subdirectory under site.USER_SITE and get to test.test_list (for example) on your python search path. Since it is a user-specific location, you can make a tester user with the directory in his own space and not worry about affecting the standard environment. Since I already compiled Python 2.6, and am using it basically only for testing purposes, this won't be necessary, right now. But someday, Python 2.6 will get released for Debian, and if it doesn't ship with the tests, I will come back your instructions. - Thanks, Scott! Paul Boddie wrote: I will try to contact whoever is responsible for the packaging of Python in Ubuntu (or Debian), and ask them if they are willing to support the _complete_ Python release. They may already do so, but I'd argue that they could document the packages which provide the complete release a bit better if these are not already mentioned in /usr/share/doc/python/README.Debian or some similar file. You are right, /usr/share/doc/python2.5/README.Debian , should contain that information, but it doesn't. I already filed a bug in Launchpad, and will move upstream, if necessary. By looking at the documentation for the Debian stable source package, I did manage to find a list of generated packages: http://packages.debian.org/source/etch/python-defaults Perhaps one of these contains the test files. I checked the most obvious packages there manually without success before posting my question here. I also used apt-file, which searches for a specific file in _all_ available packages, including not installed ones, ...no success, again. Although such files are arguably only of use to people building Python, and such people would therefore obtain the source package in order to perform the build process, there could be some benefit in having a package which provides these files separately. For example, one may wish to verify the behaviour of an installed version or to test aspects of another implementation. My personal interest in these tests is the following: I was working with some sequential dictionaries from ActiveState, but experienced problems with all recipes. I started writing my own test cases, but found somewhere a reference about test_dict, test_list et al. Using these, I've been able to fix a few problems. (Even if some test cases are quite difficult to interpret right now.) In general, I think that the Python test suite is extrermely valuable, and should be made more accessible to all users. Especially in combination with Python's new Abstract Base Classes, They could prove extremely useful in creating robust classes with standard interfaces. But I digress. Thank you, Paul! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Can't find Python Library packages in Ubuntu (Debian)
On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 9:37 AM, David Cournapeau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think most people using python as a development tool use the version available in their distribution. Personally, I mostly use the stock python of Ubuntu. Although building python itself is not difficult on the typical linux box, keep in mind that you will almost certainly need to re-build all the packages you need. Tt is not easy if at all possible to use extensions from one python interpreter to the other, in particular for packages which contain C code (things like pygtk, pyqt come to mind). If you want to use python 2.6, you don't have a choice, though, since it is not available on Ubuntu yet as you said. David, I agree with you, that compiling all the additional packages could become quite difficult, especially for an unexperienced guy like me. Thus, I will keep using the stock install for everyday use, and use my custom installation (standard python only, without additional packages) for the missing unit-tests, and for testing upcoming 2.6/3.0 compatibility. I will try to contact whoever is responsible for the packaging of Python in Ubuntu (or Debian), and ask them if they are willing to support the _complete_ Python release. Thanks, Jerzy -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Can't find Python Library packages in Ubuntu (Debian)
On 24 Nov, 12:42, Jerzy Jalocha N [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will try to contact whoever is responsible for the packaging of Python in Ubuntu (or Debian), and ask them if they are willing to support the _complete_ Python release. They may already do so, but I'd argue that they could document the packages which provide the complete release a bit better if these are not already mentioned in /usr/share/doc/python/README.Debian or some similar file. By looking at the documentation for the Debian stable source package, I did manage to find a list of generated packages: http://packages.debian.org/source/etch/python-defaults Perhaps one of these contains the test files. Although such files are arguably only of use to people building Python, and such people would therefore obtain the source package in order to perform the build process, there could be some benefit in having a package which provides these files separately. For example, one may wish to verify the behaviour of an installed version or to test aspects of another implementation. I don't see a problem with you (or someone else) filing a bug about this, but then I'm not too familiar with the packaging policies of Debian with respect to Python. Paul -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Can't find Python Library packages in Ubuntu (Debian)
Jerzy Jalocha N wrote: I'm new in this list (and to Python), so I'd like to start saying hello to everyone first. I am really enjoying this new language! I am trying to use the standard tests (like test_list.py or test_dict.py) from the standard library (Python2.5), but they aren't available on a standard Ubuntu Hardy or Ibex installation So, the first question is: How do I install the complete Python test framework under Ubuntu (Debian)? You could use BZR or SVN to get a copy of the full Lib/test tree. Given your long-disconnected running, I'd consider getting a full source set for release25-maint. Note that as of Python 2.6 / 3.0, if Python is not restricted to system directories for security reasons (if sys.flags.no_user_site is non-0), you may make a directory in your home directory to be searched. See http://docs.python.org/library/site.html for details on USER_SITE and USER_BASE. That will allow you to place a test subdirectory under site.USER_SITE and get to test.test_list (for example) on your python search path. Since it is a user-specific location, you can make a tester user with the directory in his own space and not worry about affecting the standard environment. --Scott David Daniels [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Can't find Python Library packages in Ubuntu (Debian)
So, the first question is: How do I install the complete Python test framework under Ubuntu (Debian)? So, my second question: What (meta?-)package(s) do I have to install under Ubuntu (Debian) in order to get a full (as in the official release) Python installation? I don't have the slightest idea where the tests are - but you can of course always install the source package :) I think, I will take the chance, and install Python 2.6 which isn't available as an Ubuntu package yet. :) And my third question could be: Do all Python developers that work with Debian (or derivations) have to compile Python? The one thing you will definitely need is the python-dev-package. It will contain things such as headers and distutils that are needed to build and install 3rd-party-packages. Thanks for your comments, Diez! Jerzy -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Can't find Python Library packages in Ubuntu (Debian)
On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 9:24 PM, Jerzy Jalocha N [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And my third question could be: Do all Python developers that work with Debian (or derivations) have to compile Python? I think most people using python as a development tool use the version available in their distribution. Personally, I mostly use the stock python of Ubuntu. Although building python itself is not difficult on the typical linux box, keep in mind that you will almost certainly need to re-build all the packages you need. Tt is not easy if at all possible to use extensions from one python interpreter to the other, in particular for packages which contain C code (things like pygtk, pyqt come to mind). If you want to use python 2.6, you don't have a choice, though, since it is not available on Ubuntu yet as you said. David -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Can't find Python Library packages in Ubuntu (Debian)
I'm new in this list (and to Python), so I'd like to start saying hello to everyone first. I am really enjoying this new language! I am trying to use the standard tests (like test_list.py or test_dict.py) from the standard library (Python2.5), but they aren't available on a standard Ubuntu Hardy or Ibex installation. Searching in the official download, I found a rich test structure under 'Lib/test/', but in my installation, this directory doesn't contain much. The dpkg-file script didn't find any packages for these specific files either. I looked manually in any 'python-' package that seemed reasonable, with no success, and Google didn't help this time. So, the first question is: How do I install the complete Python test framework under Ubuntu (Debian)? Since I spend long times in a remote area without network connection, I usually try to set-up everything I need (and might eventually need) on my computer in advance, in order to avoid unpleasant surprises. Thus, I would really try to make sure, I have a complete Python installed on my notebook. But I couldn't find out for sure what parts are missing in a standard Ubuntu installation, and what needs to be added manually. So, my second question: What (meta?-)package(s) do I have to install under Ubuntu (Debian) in order to get a full (as in the official release) Python installation? Thank you in advance! Jerzy -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Can't find Python Library packages in Ubuntu (Debian)
Jerzy Jalocha N wrote: I'm new in this list (and to Python), so I'd like to start saying hello to everyone first. I am really enjoying this new language! I am trying to use the standard tests (like test_list.py or test_dict.py) from the standard library (Python2.5), but they aren't available on a standard Ubuntu Hardy or Ibex installation. Searching in the official download, I found a rich test structure under 'Lib/test/', but in my installation, this directory doesn't contain much. The dpkg-file script didn't find any packages for these specific files either. I looked manually in any 'python-' package that seemed reasonable, with no success, and Google didn't help this time. So, the first question is: How do I install the complete Python test framework under Ubuntu (Debian)? Since I spend long times in a remote area without network connection, I usually try to set-up everything I need (and might eventually need) on my computer in advance, in order to avoid unpleasant surprises. Thus, I would really try to make sure, I have a complete Python installed on my notebook. But I couldn't find out for sure what parts are missing in a standard Ubuntu installation, and what needs to be added manually. So, my second question: What (meta?-)package(s) do I have to install under Ubuntu (Debian) in order to get a full (as in the official release) Python installation? The one thing you will definitely need is the python-dev-package. It will contain things such as headers and distutils that are needed to build and install 3rd-party-packages. I don't have the slightest idea where the tests are - but you can of course always install the source package :) Diez -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
