Re: Captcha identify
On 15/08/2014 5:43 AM, Eric S. Johansson wrote: On 8/14/2014 2:37 PM, Peter Pearson wrote: Which of the following eight sentences are sarcastic in tone? and responses on this list alone show problems with detecting sarcasm (or snark). It can be especially difficult for people on the autism spectrum. Something to consider when advocating changes to a system that disadvantages you is to not pass the problem on to others. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Captcha identify
On 15/08/2014 08:03, alex23 wrote: On 15/08/2014 5:43 AM, Eric S. Johansson wrote: On 8/14/2014 2:37 PM, Peter Pearson wrote: Which of the following eight sentences are sarcastic in tone? and responses on this list alone show problems with detecting sarcasm (or snark). It can be especially difficult for people on the autism spectrum. Something to consider when advocating changes to a system that disadvantages you is to not pass the problem on to others. Something I fully understand. -- My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask what you can do for our language. Mark Lawrence -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Captcha identify
On 08/13/2014 02:18 PM, Ian Kelly wrote: On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 2:01 PM, Tim Chase python.l...@tim.thechases.com wrote: On 2014-08-13 12:24, Chris Kaynor wrote: Many of the better captchas also include options for an audio cue in addition to the default visual one. Have you actually tried to use the audio cue? They're atrocious. I got more intelligible words out of my old 8-bit SoundBlaster or a de-tuned radio station. I'm all for just ditching them (and avoiding sites that employ them). Just like the images, if they were easy to understand then they would be easily defeated by a spambot with a speech recognition module. I think the effort to make captcha systems more accessible is laudable, if perhaps misguided. Well we seem to be at an impasse then. But the worst of it is that captchas aren't effective anymore. There are thousands of folks (at least) willing to solve captchas to create various accounts for nefarious purposes for money. This happens to gmail all the time, for example. Maybe the internet landscape is one giant example of the tragedy of the commons, with or without captchas. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Captcha identify
On 8/14/2014 7:19 PM, Denis McMahon wrote: On Wed, 13 Aug 2014 07:39:20 -0400, Eric S. Johansson wrote: you are clear but also missing a really good reason to break captchas. handicapped accessibility. Captchas are a huge barrier to access and in many cases push disabled users away from using a service with captchas. That's as may be, but bozo is not trying to improve handicapped accessibility, he's trying to write a spambot. not necessary. you are probably right but he never described the application. Please don't use the accessibility concerns surrounding captcha to justify writing spambot software. It doesn't help the accessibility argument to be seen to be pro spambot, in fact if anything it may damage it. I agree that there are more reasons not to use captcha these days than there are to use them, however I still don't advocate helping spambot bastards defeat them. not what I said or advocated. pointing out that breaking captchas is good for accessibility issues it not the same as being pro spambot. it may have that effect but it is not the same thing. fwiw, making software accessible means making it possible to make your own interface via an application api. the current scrape-a-gui model fails the -what-the-user-needs test. at the same time, notice the huge security risk an D(ability)A(ccessibility) api opens up. does not mean we shouldn't use the DA api model, just that we also need to fix the security problem at the same time. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Captcha identify
On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 3:18 AM, Eric S. Johansson e...@harvee.org wrote: not what I said or advocated. pointing out that breaking captchas is good for accessibility issues it not the same as being pro spambot. it may have that effect but it is not the same thing. I don't care, frankly. I'm still not going to help anyone to break CAPTCHAs automatically. If you're unable to solve CAPTCHAs, it's equivalent to being unable to run VBScript or unable to download music over a proprietary streaming protocol: it's a problem to be solved by getting the server admin to change policy, *not* by trying to script around it. Scripting around the problem just forces everyone to make it harder to script around the problem. You're joining the arms race, and on the wrong side. Breaking CAPTCHAs is *not* good for any issue. ChrisA -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Captcha identify
On Wed, 13 Aug 2014 07:39:20 -0400, Eric S. Johansson wrote: On 8/12/2014 9:46 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 11:36 AM, Wesley nisp...@gmail.com wrote: If my questions make you guys not so happy, I am sorry and please just ignore. I just wanna a general suggestion here in the beginning. Why I need to write such program is just having such requirements, and has nothing to do with the coding work itself. Don't say something to prove you're so noble. The general suggestion you're getting is: Do not do this. Many of us here use CAPTCHAs and spend time keeping one step ahead of those who try to break them with software. By writing something to solve CAPTCHAs, you would be stealing time from those people. Don't do it. Am I sufficiently clear? you are clear but also missing a really good reason to break captchas. handicapped accessibility. Captchas are a huge barrier to access and in many cases push disabled users away from using a service with captchas. Sniplots of very valid complaints about Captcha usability /snip Decent (I use the term loosely because i am no fan either) Captcha systems also provide options for Audio to assist the Visually impaired. I am not sure how well it works but can only assume it is an improvement. One system I have seen removes the need fro captcha completly Instead it relies on Javascript AJAX a short time after loading the page it it requests a unique serial number from the server using which is added to the form as a hidden field. if this field SN is missing from the response then the request is rejected as coming from a Bot. since most bots do not (as far as I know) include a Javascript interpreter this process removes any additional burden from the end user. unfortunately at present in the battle between service providers scumm* the disabled population is an unfortunate victim. I can't think of another slightly polite word for people who spam or hack websites. -- Zeus gave Leda the bird. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Captcha identify
On Wed, 13 Aug 2014 14:16:02 -0600, Ian Kelly ian.g.ke...@gmail.com wrote:
. . . and as computers get more powerful the intersection
of {problems machines can't solve} and {problems humans can reliably
solve} grows ever smaller.
Which of the following eight sentences are sarcastic in tone?
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Re: Captcha identify
On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Peter Pearson
ppearson@nowhere.invalid wrote:
On Wed, 13 Aug 2014 14:16:02 -0600, Ian Kelly ian.g.ke...@gmail.com wrote:
. . . and as computers get more powerful the intersection
of {problems machines can't solve} and {problems humans can reliably
solve} grows ever smaller.
Which of the following eight sentences are sarcastic in tone?
People are actually pretty bad at identifying sarcasm, or at least
agreeing on what it is [1] and there's a segment of the population who
simply don't understand it at all, so you'd be trading one kind of
inaccessibility for another.
And you might be surprised at how good machines can be at identifying
sarcasm [2].
Besides, this suffers from the problem of a limited pool of questions,
in that the spambot could simply build up a database of which
sentences that are used by the system are sarcastic and which are not,
as determined by their human controllers.
[1]
http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2009/08/18/would-you-even-recognize-sarcasm/
[2] http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-23160583
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Re: Captcha identify
On 8/14/2014 2:37 PM, Peter Pearson wrote:
On Wed, 13 Aug 2014 14:16:02 -0600, Ian Kelly ian.g.ke...@gmail.com wrote:
. . . and as computers get more powerful the intersection
of {problems machines can't solve} and {problems humans can reliably
solve} grows ever smaller.
Which of the following eight sentences are sarcastic in tone?
and responses on this list alone show problems with detecting sarcasm
(or snark).
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Re: Captcha identify
On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 4:37 AM, Peter Pearson ppearson@nowhere.invalid wrote: Which of the following eight sentences are sarcastic in tone? You have a sarcasm sign? http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/e58f/ ChrisA -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Captcha identify
On Wed, 13 Aug 2014 07:39:20 -0400, Eric S. Johansson wrote: you are clear but also missing a really good reason to break captchas. handicapped accessibility. Captchas are a huge barrier to access and in many cases push disabled users away from using a service with captchas. That's as may be, but bozo is not trying to improve handicapped accessibility, he's trying to write a spambot. Please don't use the accessibility concerns surrounding captcha to justify writing spambot software. It doesn't help the accessibility argument to be seen to be pro spambot, in fact if anything it may damage it. I agree that there are more reasons not to use captcha these days than there are to use them, however I still don't advocate helping spambot bastards defeat them. -- Denis McMahon, denismfmcma...@gmail.com -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Captcha identify
On Tue, 12 Aug 2014 18:36:21 -0700, Wesley wrote: I just wanna a general suggestion here in the beginning. OK, the general suggestion is that you take your spambot software, print it out on spiky metal sheets and ram it up your rectum. Why I need to write such program is just having such requirements. Yes, we understand that your spambot requires to decode captcha. We were just telling you in fairly polite terms that you should fuck off because we have no wish to help you. We tried polite, it didn't work, now I'm trying robustness and profanity. -- Denis McMahon, denismfmcma...@gmail.com -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Captcha identify
Denis McMahon denismfmcma...@gmail.com writes: On Tue, 12 Aug 2014 18:36:21 -0700, Wesley wrote: […] We tried polite, it didn't work, now I'm trying robustness and profanity. The thread has been inactive for days, so it seems politeness *did* in fact work. Escalating to violent indimidating language (regardless of profanity) is unhelpful, please don't ever resort to that here. -- \ “I am the product of millions of generations of individuals who | `\ each fought against a hostile universe and won, and I aim to | _o__) maintain the tradition.” —Paul Z. Myers, 2009-09-12 | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Captcha identify
On Tue, 12 Aug 2014 18:36:21 -0700 (PDT) Wesley nisp...@gmail.com wrote: If my questions make you guys not so happy, I am sorry and please just ignore. I just wanna a general suggestion here in the beginning. Why I need to write such program is just having such requirements, and has nothing to do with the coding work itself. Don't say something to prove you're so noble. Hai guyz I am new to biochemistry and so I need lots of help with things.can you tell me how to make anthrax? I need it for stuff, so dont worry -- Rob Gaddi, Highland Technology -- www.highlandtechnology.com Email address domain is currently out of order. See above to fix. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Captcha identify
Rob Gaddi wrote: On Tue, 12 Aug 2014 18:36:21 -0700 (PDT) Wesley nisp...@gmail.com wrote: If my questions make you guys not so happy, I am sorry and please just ignore. I just wanna a general suggestion here in the beginning. Why I need to write such program is just having such requirements, and has nothing to do with the coding work itself. Don't say something to prove you're so noble. Hai guyz I am new to biochemistry and so I need lots of help with things.can you tell me how to make anthrax? I need it for stuff, so dont worry :-) You'll only use it for good, right? -- Steven -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Captcha identify
On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 3:52 AM, Steven D'Aprano steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote: I need it for stuff, so dont worry :-) You'll only use it for good, right? He needs it for stuffing. Remind me to decline any invitation to turkey dinner that he sends. ChrisA -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Captcha identify
On 8/12/2014 9:46 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 11:36 AM, Wesley nisp...@gmail.com wrote: If my questions make you guys not so happy, I am sorry and please just ignore. I just wanna a general suggestion here in the beginning. Why I need to write such program is just having such requirements, and has nothing to do with the coding work itself. Don't say something to prove you're so noble. The general suggestion you're getting is: Do not do this. Many of us here use CAPTCHAs and spend time keeping one step ahead of those who try to break them with software. By writing something to solve CAPTCHAs, you would be stealing time from those people. Don't do it. Am I sufficiently clear? you are clear but also missing a really good reason to break captchas. handicapped accessibility. Captchas are a huge barrier to access and in many cases push disabled users away from using a service with captchas. For me (very acute vision, crap hands) it take me 2-5 tries before I get an image I think I can read reliably, then it take 2-3 tries to type the letters in (slowly and with hand pain) correctly. My mom (80yr and going strong) sees a captcha and gives up on using the site unless I tell her what to type. one major tests for accessibility is can I automate common user tasks including tasks with context based decisions. Captchas fail that test as do many authentication system user interactions and, if one is entirely truthful, entire applications. Automating captcha solving would be a boon for the disabled or aging user. try taking this moment as a challenge. build an authentication system+ui that works for the disabled/aged and you will have an authentication system that will work better for everybody. for example, use an equivalent of ssh-agent to supply credentials to sites needing them. I can automate ssh-agent and we can make the process+UI easy enough for my mom to use it or automate it for her too. eliminate captchas, 35+million disabled people would thank you as would many more millions of the not-yet-disabled like your future self. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Captcha identify
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 9:39 PM, Eric S. Johansson e...@harvee.org wrote: you are clear but also missing a really good reason to break captchas. handicapped accessibility. Captchas are a huge barrier to access and in many cases push disabled users away from using a service with captchas. For me (very acute vision, crap hands) it take me 2-5 tries before I get an image I think I can read reliably, then it take 2-3 tries to type the letters in (slowly and with hand pain) correctly. My mom (80yr and going strong) sees a captcha and gives up on using the site unless I tell her what to type. one major tests for accessibility is can I automate common user tasks including tasks with context based decisions. Captchas fail that test as do many authentication system user interactions and, if one is entirely truthful, entire applications. Automating captcha solving would be a boon for the disabled or aging user. try taking this moment as a challenge. build an authentication system+ui that works for the disabled/aged and you will have an authentication system that will work better for everybody. for example, use an equivalent of ssh-agent to supply credentials to sites needing them. I can automate ssh-agent and we can make the process+UI easy enough for my mom to use it or automate it for her too. eliminate captchas, 35+million disabled people would thank you as would many more millions of the not-yet-disabled like your future self. I agree with you, and I don't use CAPTCHAs on any of my services, anywhere, and never have. (Partly because they *are* broken by people writing scripts, and/or by just grinding them with human solvers; but also because of the problems they cause for legit users, even those with perfect eyesight.) However, the accessibility argument is one for the removal of the captcha, *not* for its automated solving. I will not support a scripted captcha solver for any reason. If you move away from a site because you can't use it, so be it. If you get a chance, tell the owner that there are alternatives to barely-readable images; tricks involving page layouts are almost always safe, and there's infinite room to play around in them. There is no valid reason for automating something that's specifically to prevent automation. The admin needs to provide an alternative, instead. ChrisA -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Captcha identify
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 4:39 AM, Eric S. Johansson e...@harvee.org wrote: eliminate captchas, 35+million disabled people would thank you as would many more millions of the not-yet-disabled like your future self. And so would the spammers, which is who captchas are trying to block. For ease-of-use, most sites only require captchas to be entered once upon creating the account. Some might also require additional captcha entries when the account is suspected of spamming. This is ultimately a trade-off of blocking spammers and allowing accessibility. Many of the better captchas also include options for an audio cue in addition to the default visual one. Chris -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Captcha identify
On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 5:24 AM, Chris Kaynor ckay...@zindagigames.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 4:39 AM, Eric S. Johansson e...@harvee.org wrote: eliminate captchas, 35+million disabled people would thank you as would many more millions of the not-yet-disabled like your future self. And so would the spammers, which is who captchas are trying to block. There are alternatives that are both easier for legit people and harder for spambots. Some rely on the fact that humans read things two dimensionally, and scripts look at the underlying structure; so, for instance, random field names and cunning CSS to match them up with their labels can result in a form that's completely messed up in the source, but looks perfect to a user. Or you can put extra fields down that you can't see if the form's laid out properly. Or you can combine those sorts of tricks with a very simple challenge-response, like What is one plus one? that requires some specific value to be in a specific field - and if that value occurs in the wrong field, you throw the form back to the user. For some reason, everyone's jumped on the show some mangled text/numbers and ask the user to enter them bandwagon, in the same way that everyone has gone for passwords that require lower/upper/digit/symbol and (in the most annoying cases) are actually length-limited to something stupid like 12 characters. Yes, maximum, not minimum. Grumble. ChrisA -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Captcha identify
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Chris Kaynor ckay...@zindagigames.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 4:39 AM, Eric S. Johansson e...@harvee.org wrote: eliminate captchas, 35+million disabled people would thank you as would many more millions of the not-yet-disabled like your future self. And so would the spammers, which is who captchas are trying to block. For ease-of-use, most sites only require captchas to be entered once upon creating the account. Some might also require additional captcha entries when the account is suspected of spamming. This is ultimately a trade-off of blocking spammers and allowing accessibility. Many of the better captchas also include options for an audio cue in addition to the default visual one. Chris -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list I wrote a sample form page with a simple math problem to solve -- 2 or 3 random small integers to add and put the result in a form field def produce_expression(): return a tuple: expression (str), answer (int) num_terms = random.randint(2,3) operands = [] while num_terms: n = random.randint(1,21) operands.append(n) num_terms -= 1 result = sum(operands) string_operands = map(str, operands) expression = + .join(string_operands) return expression, result Its not as annoying as captcha and I think it would work with audio browsers. Never tested -- Joel Goldstick http://joelgoldstick.com -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Captcha identify
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 2:44 PM, Joel Goldstick joel.goldst...@gmail.com wrote: I wrote a sample form page with a simple math problem to solve -- 2 or 3 random small integers to add ... I've also seen challenge systems where they present you with a small set of images and ask you to select one with a particular property (looks like a tennis racquet, shaped like a square, etc). While simple to solve for most humans -- assuming they can read the language -- they would be difficult to solve by automated means. You can also magnify them for visually impaired or speak what they are on rollover/hover, and don't require any typing. They can make cultural assumptions (not everyone will know what a tennis racquet looks like, for instance), so the images might have to be selected carefully. Skip -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Captcha identify
On 2014-08-13 12:24, Chris Kaynor wrote: Many of the better captchas also include options for an audio cue in addition to the default visual one. Have you actually tried to use the audio cue? They're atrocious. I got more intelligible words out of my old 8-bit SoundBlaster or a de-tuned radio station. I'm all for just ditching them (and avoiding sites that employ them). -tkc -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Captcha identify
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 1:43 PM, Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com wrote:
There are alternatives that are both easier for legit people and
harder for spambots. Some rely on the fact that humans read things two
dimensionally, and scripts look at the underlying structure; so, for
instance, random field names and cunning CSS to match them up with
their labels can result in a form that's completely messed up in the
source, but looks perfect to a user. Or you can put extra fields down
that you can't see if the form's laid out properly.
Chances are that if these tricks mess up a spambot, they will also
mess up a screen reader.
Or you can combine
those sorts of tricks with a very simple challenge-response, like
What is one plus one? that requires some specific value to be in a
specific field - and if that value occurs in the wrong field, you
throw the form back to the user.
If I ask my phone What is one plus one, a very nice sounding voice
will tell me that one plus one is two. It takes some cleverness to
come up with a question that is likely to stump a machine but not
deter a human, so the pool of such questions will necessarily be
limited. Meanwhile, all the spambot has to do is flag the question for
a human to answer and store the answer somewhere, and the question is
now useless.
For some reason, everyone's jumped on the show some mangled
text/numbers and ask the user to enter them bandwagon, in the same
way that everyone has gone for passwords that require
lower/upper/digit/symbol and (in the most annoying cases) are actually
length-limited to something stupid like 12 characters. Yes, maximum,
not minimum. Grumble.
I've seen some captcha systems that I couldn't solve after a dozen
attempts, and I have no serious vision problems. It's a problem with
no easy solution, and as computers get more powerful the intersection
of {problems machines can't solve} and {problems humans can reliably
solve} grows ever smaller.
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Re: Captcha identify
On 8/13/2014 3:27 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: I agree with you, and I don't use CAPTCHAs on any of my services, anywhere, and never have. (Partly because they *are* broken by people writing scripts, and/or by just grinding them with human solvers; but also because of the problems they cause for legit users, even those with perfect eyesight.) However, the accessibility argument is one for the removal of the captcha, *not* for its automated solving. I will not support a scripted captcha solver for any reason. If you move away from a site because you can't use it, so be it. If you get a chance, tell the owner that there are alternatives to barely-readable images; tricks involving page layouts are almost always safe, and there's infinite room to play around in them. your suggestion reminds me of the time I asked front range for help with accessibility because I had to use Goldmine on the job. Immediately after I asked for accessibility information, they told me they don't have any accessibility information because they don't have any disabled users. Yes, they really did your suggestion will probably generate a similar response. There is no valid reason for automating something that's specifically to prevent automation. The admin needs to provide an alternative, instead. There is only one valid reason based in the fact that we don't own or control many of the sites we depend on. Therefore, if I need to use a site be it government or commercial and it has a Captcha, I need to pay some form of cripple tax by either incurring pain or find/pay somebody to type for me. In this situation I thing it is perfectly acceptable to automate bypassing Captcha's. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Captcha identify
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 2:01 PM, Tim Chase python.l...@tim.thechases.com wrote: On 2014-08-13 12:24, Chris Kaynor wrote: Many of the better captchas also include options for an audio cue in addition to the default visual one. Have you actually tried to use the audio cue? They're atrocious. I got more intelligible words out of my old 8-bit SoundBlaster or a de-tuned radio station. I'm all for just ditching them (and avoiding sites that employ them). Just like the images, if they were easy to understand then they would be easily defeated by a spambot with a speech recognition module. I think the effort to make captcha systems more accessible is laudable, if perhaps misguided. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Captcha identify
On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 6:16 AM, Ian Kelly ian.g.ke...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 1:43 PM, Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com wrote:
There are alternatives that are both easier for legit people and
harder for spambots. Some rely on the fact that humans read things two
dimensionally, and scripts look at the underlying structure; so, for
instance, random field names and cunning CSS to match them up with
their labels can result in a form that's completely messed up in the
source, but looks perfect to a user. Or you can put extra fields down
that you can't see if the form's laid out properly.
Chances are that if these tricks mess up a spambot, they will also
mess up a screen reader.
They may, yes. I haven't seen a report on that. However, they're
hardly going to be worse at messing up screen readers than classic
captchas.
Or you can combine
those sorts of tricks with a very simple challenge-response, like
What is one plus one? that requires some specific value to be in a
specific field - and if that value occurs in the wrong field, you
throw the form back to the user.
If I ask my phone What is one plus one, a very nice sounding voice
will tell me that one plus one is two. It takes some cleverness to
come up with a question that is likely to stump a machine but not
deter a human...
The point isn't the question itself, the point is that you have to put
the answer in exactly this field. The field is visually near the
challenge, but only because of CSS, and its name is randomized in some
way as to be unpredictable. If, as some spambots do, you blat the
response into lots of fields in the expectation of catching the right
one, then the form gets rejected (I don't know of anyone whose name or
email address is two, all lowercase, and if you have even a small
pool of questions, you'll get past those weird cases by having the
next question be What colour is the sky?).
I've seen some captcha systems that I couldn't solve after a dozen
attempts, and I have no serious vision problems. It's a problem with
no easy solution, and as computers get more powerful the intersection
of {problems machines can't solve} and {problems humans can reliably
solve} grows ever smaller.
The issue isn't finding an intersection there. The issue is finding a
form of test that a computer can administer. There's a really great
test for humanness: be creative. You know that I'm a human, because
I've made posts here on python-list that are just way too complex for
a computer to synthesize. This sums up my feelings on the matter:
http://xkcd.com/810/
(Warning, language.)
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Captcha identify
Hi guys, These days I got a small task to identify Captcha characters. I googled a lot and find some way to do verification code identify. However, most are for general captcha. And, for simple captcha, I can use Pytesser. However, what about those advanced pictures. I mean: 1.including number and alpha 2.letters might be rotated 3.letters might be deformed I don't know why I cannot insert picture attachment here... But I think you guys can think out what the captcha looks like:-) So, any suggestions? Thanks. Wesley -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Captcha identify
On Tue, 12 Aug 2014 00:04:33 -0700, Wesley wrote: These days I got a small task to identify Captcha characters. Several of us code websites. Some of our websites may even use captcha. We use captcha to stop software posting spam to websites. What makes you think we have any inclination to help you defeat captchas? -- Denis McMahon, denismfmcma...@gmail.com -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Captcha identify
Here is captcha link: https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B33_p7UnVqoyd09mT3V0aWFxRmcusp=sharing 在 2014年8月12日星期二UTC+8下午8时59分11秒，Dennis Lee Bieber写道： On Tue, 12 Aug 2014 00:04:33 -0700 (PDT), Wesley nisp...@gmail.com declaimed the following: Hi guys, These days I got a small task to identify Captcha characters. In other words, you have a task to make a robot that can break the procedures put in place to prevent robots from posting to web sites... The whole purpose of the CAPTCHA scheme is that computer AI systems aren't advanced enough to process them, whereas a human mind can almost do it in the subconscious. (as for picture attachments? comp.lang.python is a text newsgroup -- binaries aren't wanted in it; c.l.p is also gatewayed to a mailing list; and that mailing list is gatewayed to gmane.comp.python.general where it is made available as a news group (after spam filtering). Google Groups links to c.l.p (and many of us wish it didn't) -- Wulfraed Dennis Lee Bieber AF6VN wlfr...@ix.netcom.comHTTP://wlfraed.home.netcom.com/ -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 12:57 AM, Wesley nisp...@gmail.com wrote: Here is captcha link: https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B33_p7UnVqoyd09mT3V0aWFxRmcusp=sharing You seem to have misunderstood how grossly offensive your request is. I am now the third person to do you the courtesy of a response, but there are lots more who are simply deleting your post and moving on, or possibly marking you as a spammer, because that's about the only reason for wanting a program to solve CAPTCHAs. Let me spell it out for you: NO WE WILL NOT do this for you. And if you do it yourself, we will not be happy. Just don't. ChrisA -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Wed, 13 Aug 2014 01:06:47 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote: Let me spell it out for you: NO WE WILL NOT do this for you. And if you do it yourself, we will not be happy. Just don't. Chris, I suspect he's a codemonkey in a chinese or similar asian spamhaus. We should probably be thankful that he's so dumb. -- Denis McMahon, denismfmcma...@gmail.com -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 1:38 AM, Denis McMahon denismfmcma...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 13 Aug 2014 01:06:47 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote: Let me spell it out for you: NO WE WILL NOT do this for you. And if you do it yourself, we will not be happy. Just don't. Chris, I suspect he's a codemonkey in a chinese or similar asian spamhaus. We should probably be thankful that he's so dumb. Yeah, that is the most likely scenario. If I'm courteous, I'll assume that he has no idea what the rest of the world thinks of this kind of thing. ChrisA -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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If my questions make you guys not so happy, I am sorry and please just ignore. I just wanna a general suggestion here in the beginning. Why I need to write such program is just having such requirements, and has nothing to do with the coding work itself. Don't say something to prove you're so noble. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 11:36 AM, Wesley nisp...@gmail.com wrote: If my questions make you guys not so happy, I am sorry and please just ignore. I just wanna a general suggestion here in the beginning. Why I need to write such program is just having such requirements, and has nothing to do with the coding work itself. Don't say something to prove you're so noble. The general suggestion you're getting is: Do not do this. Many of us here use CAPTCHAs and spend time keeping one step ahead of those who try to break them with software. By writing something to solve CAPTCHAs, you would be stealing time from those people. Don't do it. Am I sufficiently clear? ChrisA -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Wesley nisp...@gmail.com writes: If my questions make you guys not so happy, I am sorry and please just ignore. You seek to dismiss the valid concerns by calling them “not so happy”. You assert it is questions we object to, when we are clearly objecting to your intentions. Don't be disingenuous. The responses you get are because there are valid concerns about the motives you are pursuing. Why I need to write such program is just having such requirements This is a circular statement, almost a tautology. If that is the best you can present in defense of harmful and deceitful actions, then there is no good reason for what you're doing. Stop, please. -- \“The World is not dangerous because of those who do harm but | `\ because of those who look at it without doing anything.” | _o__) —Albert Einstein | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
