Re: Catching user switching and getting current active user from root on linux
In article ff3a2b89-2586-43d2-ae5a-490384687...@32g2000yqz.googlegroups.com, mpnordland mpnordl...@gmail.com wrote: First, to pacify those who hate google groups: What is a good usenet client? trn3.6 ;-) -- Aahz (a...@pythoncraft.com) * http://www.pythoncraft.com/ Think of it as evolution in action. --Tony Rand -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Catching user switching and getting current active user from root on linux
Ok, thank you. I will go look at the resources mentioned. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Catching user switching and getting current active user from root on linux
ok, I'll give one more chance. First, to pacify those who hate google groups: What is a good usenet client? second, How should I set up this proxy so that when a connection is made, it request's authentication, and then log's the request, if authentication is not gotten, how do I have it block (or firewall) the request? Furthermore, I would like for the proxy to be squid. So all of the nitty gritty should have to do with squid. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On 12/22/2010 11:28 AM mpnordland said... ok, I'll give one more chance. ... which probably won't be enough -- this is potentially a huge question you're asking with lots of little bits to put together. I have an installation where I did somthing similar seven-ish years ago using squid, squidguard, blacklists from Université Toulouse in France, python, iptables, sql, php, zope, bash, and who knows what else. It authenticates, logs, tracks, blocks, unblocks, reports activity on an automated In and Out board by user, provides historical stats, automates new user setup and invalidation, and probably more. I put maybe a week or two into it initially, and about the same again over the years adding to it. First, to pacify those who hate google groups: What is a good usenet client? I use thunderbird to access gmane groups. second, How should I set up this proxy so that when a connection is made, it request's authentication, and then log's the request, if authentication is not gotten, how do I have it block (or firewall) the request? Furthermore, I would like for the proxy to be squid. So all of the nitty gritty should have to do with squid. ... and that's where I'd start looking. Check out the current status of Squid to see how much of what you want can be done out of the box. When you hit the limits of what it'll do for you, start writing glue to fill in the puzzle. HTH, Emile -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On 12/22/2010 2:28 PM, mpnordland wrote: ok, I'll give one more chance. First, to pacify those who hate google groups: What is a good usenet client? Thunderbird is OK for me (I follow about three groups normally). I access the comp.lang.python group vie the Gmane (Main) service, where for some strange resaon best known to the gmane admins it is called gmane.comp.python.general. Ho, hum. I seem to remember Outlook Express was a fairly decent NNTP client as well, and Tim Peters says I'm not just blowing smoke up your ass. second, How should I set up this proxy so that when a connection is made, it request's authentication, and then log's the request, if authentication is not gotten, how do I have it block (or firewall) the request? Furthermore, I would like for the proxy to be squid. So all of the nitty gritty should have to do with squid. I would recommend you take a look at the Spambayes code, which does all that sort of stuff apparently quite reliably. If you aren't yet proficient enough with Python to understand the code on your own look for a Python Meetup or a local or regional conference to meet people who will helpyou answer your questions. Increasingly there are workspaces like HacDC springing up to give people access to advanced technologies at everyday prices. You could look for such a group locally. There's lots of energy from people once they realise that what gets built can help them. Squid is a different matter. For that, probably if you go on an IRC channel (freenode.net is what I use, but others have their favorites). Maybe #squid? regards Steve -- Steve Holden +1 571 484 6266 +1 800 494 3119 PyCon 2011 Atlanta March 9-17 http://us.pycon.org/ See Python Video! http://python.mirocommunity.org/ Holden Web LLC http://www.holdenweb.com/ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Catching user switching and getting current active user from root on linux
On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 20:35:54 -0500, Steve Holden wrote: On 12/20/2010 12:54 PM, mpnordland wrote: I give up, I will never try to use a usenet group again. For the ones of you who tried to help thank you. You helped to identify some of my troubles, as for you @usernet, you are a troll Don't give up after one experience. Usenet can be really useful as long as you know who to listen to and who to ignore ... More importantly, Usenet can be very useful so long as you know how to ask smart questions. If you insist on asking stupid questions, you will rapidly get disillusioned: people will either ignore you, abuse you, or give you helpful advice that you don't want to hear. -- Steven -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Catching user switching and getting current active user from root on linux
Am 22.12.2010 20:28, schrieb mpnordland: ok, I'll give one more chance. First, to pacify those who hate google groups: What is a good usenet client? second, How should I set up this proxy so that when a connection is made, it request's authentication, and then log's the request, if authentication is not gotten, how do I have it block (or firewall) the request? Furthermore, I would like for the proxy to be squid. So all of the nitty gritty should have to do with squid. Just install Squid, enable user authentication and grant access only to authenticated people. Now, configure logrotated and tell to rotate logs every day/week/month (your mileage will vary). After rotating run a program such as webalizer to get stats (even on a per user basis). If you have smart guys under your users, set up a) a transparent proxy intercepting http/https requests or b) set up a iptables firewall with redirection to the squid port. There are many, many, many how-to documents on the net describing exactly what you want to do. A first starting point could be http://www.comfsm.fm/computing/squid/FAQ.html And your problems are solved a long time ago: http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/TransparentProxy.html And, the most important thing: Check your local laws for this intention. Some, like our german law, require these things to be under clear rules. Cheers -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Catching user switching and getting current active user from root on linux
I give up, I will never try to use a usenet group again. For the ones of you who tried to help thank you. You helped to identify some of my troubles, as for you @usernet, you are a troll -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Catching user switching and getting current active user from root on linux
On 12/20/2010 12:54 PM, mpnordland wrote: I give up, I will never try to use a usenet group again. For the ones of you who tried to help thank you. You helped to identify some of my troubles, as for you @usernet, you are a troll Don't give up after one experience. Usenet can be really useful as long as you know who to listen to and who to ignore ... regards Steve -- Steve Holden +1 571 484 6266 +1 800 494 3119 PyCon 2011 Atlanta March 9-17 http://us.pycon.org/ See Python Video! http://python.mirocommunity.org/ Holden Web LLC http://www.holdenweb.com/ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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I think I do understand multiuser systems, although I'm sorry I did not make my self clear. Yes, I understand that there can be multiple people logged in, and yes if you really wanted to, you could login as yourself as many times as you want. This is not a server based program, it is intended for use in a normal environment. The people using it will probably not be logging in multiple times as themselves, or someone else. The problem I have is I want monitor what sites the user visits, I need to know what sites were accessed by which user. So, a way to find which user is requesting what url is what I want. Have I passed the Turing test? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Dec 13, 3:04 pm, mpnordland mpnordl...@gmail.com wrote: I think I do understand multiuser systems, although I'm sorry I did not make my self clear. Yes, I understand that there can be multiple people logged in, and yes if you really wanted to, you could login as yourself as many times as you want. This is not a server based program, it is intended for use in a normal environment. The people using it will probably not be logging in multiple times as themselves, or someone else. The problem I have is I want monitor what sites the user visits, I need to know what sites were accessed by which user. So, a way to find which user is requesting what url is what I want. Have I passed the Turing test? Install a web proxy. In a pinch you can stat /dev/console to see who the owner is, which I think was what they did last time I looked. If you're ambitious there's some stuff you can do with netfilter to attach user ids to network packets which you might be able to read with your logging software. How are you logging web site accesses anyway? That would be helpful to know. Carl Banks -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Catching user switching and getting current active user from root on linux
On 2010-12-13, mpnordland mpnordl...@gmail.com wrote: I think I do understand multiuser systems, although I'm sorry I did not make my self clear. Yes, I understand that there can be multiple people logged in, and yes if you really wanted to, you could login as Apparantly you do not. There is nothing that prevents me from downloading from the web when I am not even at the computer. The point people are making is that there is no such thing as a single active user. Any user that has a running process is active. Somebody is not going to appreciate getting fired because somebody else scheduled a porn download at a time when they happened to be flagged as the current user. yourself as many times as you want. This is not a server based program, it is intended for use in a normal environment. The people There is nothing definitive about a so-called normal enviroment and since you didn't really specify anything, we had go make assumtpions for ourselves. Note also that a server is a piece of software, it need not be running on server class hardware. There are probably several local servers running on your system right now. As is commonly the case, the reason that you are having trouble with this problem is that you are trying to solve it wrong in the first place. You told us how you thought you should solve it which meant that we couldn't help you because we didn't know what problem you were trying to solve in the first place. For future reference, always give a 10,000ft explanation of the problem that you are actually trying to solve rather then just the microcosm of the problem that you feel is relevant. or someone else. The problem I have is I want monitor what sites the user visits, I need to know what sites were accessed by which user. So, a way to find which user is requesting what url is what I want. As Carl has already pointed out, an authenticated proxy is the proper way to get the individualized logging that you are looking for. It is capable of logging each connection (including software from which you might not have anticipated) with its own identified user of origin. Even when several users are accessing the network at once, the network connections can be tied directly to the person who initated the connection. Users cannot use somebody elses connection without their authentication credentials. With a little bit of scripting, the browser can be configured to automatically use the user's credentials whenever the user account is created so that the user never needs to enter their credentials manually after logging in to their account. All connections that attempt to bypass the proxy should be firewalled. Have I passed the Turing test? You still don't seem to understand how to use threads. Heres a clue: find a decent usenet client that actually displays them by default. Or, if you can't manage to get rid of that junky interface that is Google Groups, at least select the option to view as a tree. Then you might be able to actually post your replies in the proper thread rather then just appending on the the person who last posted. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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sorry, I've been busy, it's on linux, and current active user is the user currently using the computer. My program needs to switch log files when a different user starts using the computer. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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about the pyutmp, is the most recent entry at the top or bottom of the file? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On 12/11/2010 01:43 PM, mpnordland wrote: it's on linux, and current active user is the user currently using the computer. My program needs to switch log files when a different user starts using the computer. The problem is that multiple users can be logged on at the same time. You might be able to come up with a solution that works for a small set of use-cases, but I admin several Linux boxes where multiple people can be logged-in at the same time. There are also some multi-head arrangements (multiple keyboards/mice/monitors and sometimes even sound-cards attached to the same motherboard) and people can log into each terminal (if you will) concurrently, all on the same box. So if I'm using the computer, and a co-worker logs in, I'm still using it at the same time you might catch the new user logged in event. Watching wtmp (or possibly /var/log/auth) can capture the hey, somebody logged in event, but that doesn't mean that other previous users are done with their sessions. -tkc -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Mr. Chase, I really wouldn't even bother wasting my time on this one. He asked an incomplete question to start with; so, the replies that he received were insufficient to solve his problem. He still has not provided enough information to know how to answer his question propery. He doesn't understand a sacastic reply when he hears one, he doesn't understand the concept of a multi-user operating system, and he doesn't understand the concept of how usenet threads work. Until he demonstrates some intelligence, I would say that he has flunked the Turing test. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Sat, 11 Dec 2010 11:43:13 -0800, mpnordland wrote: sorry, I've been busy, it's on linux, and current active user is the user currently using the computer. My program needs to switch log files when a different user starts using the computer. I think you have missed what people are trying to tell you: if you're running Linux, you may have more than one human being logged into and using the computer AT THE SAME TIME. You can also have a single human being logged into the computer as more than one user, and one user being used by multiple human beings. As we speak, I am logged into my Linux computer eight times, five times as myself (two GUI sessions, just to prove I can do it, plus three terminals), two times as root, and one time as another user; my wife's computer has two people logged in simultaneously (me and her); I'm also logged into a server at work, which currently lists eight people logged in twenty-one times between them. Perhaps you should explain what problem you are trying to solve, rather than how you think you should solve it (catch the user switching). -- Steven -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On 30/11/2010 22:47, mpnordland wrote: I have situation where I need to be able to get the current active user, and catch user switching eg user1 locks screen, leaves computer, user2 comes, and logs on. basically, when there is any type of user switch my script needs to know. If it's Windows you're on, have a look at this: http://timgolden.me.uk/python/win32_how_do_i/track-session-events.html TJG -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On 2010-11-30, mpnordland mpnordl...@gmail.com wrote: I have situation where I need to be able to get the current active user, How do you define current active user? and catch user switching eg user1 locks screen, leaves computer, user2 comes, and logs on. basically, when there is any type of user switch my script needs to know. What do you do when there are multiple users logged in? -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwardsYow! How's the wife? at Is she at home enjoying gmail.comcapitalism? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Grant Edwards inva...@invalid.invalid writes: On 2010-11-30, mpnordland mpnordl...@gmail.com wrote: and catch user switching eg user1 locks screen, leaves computer, user2 comes, and logs on. basically, when there is any type of user switch my script needs to know. What do you do when there are multiple users logged in? In case it's not clear: this situation doesn't just occur on `exotic' systems like Unix servers. Even Windows systems can have several people logged into the console (with one active, using `fast user switching') and another one or two connected using terminal services. -- [mdw] -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Catching user switching and getting current active user from root on linux
I have situation where I need to be able to get the current active user, and catch user switching eg user1 locks screen, leaves computer, user2 comes, and logs on. basically, when there is any type of user switch my script needs to know. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Catching user switching and getting current active user from root on linux
On 2010-11-30, mpnordland mpnordl...@gmail.com wrote: I have situation where I need to be able to get the current active user, and catch user switching eg user1 locks screen, leaves computer, user2 comes, and logs on. basically, when there is any type of user switch my script needs to know. Well you could use inotify to trigger on any changes to /var/log/wtmp. When a change is detected, you could check of deltas in the output of who -a to figure out what has changed since the last time wtmp triggered. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 8:54 AM, Tim Harig user...@ilthio.net wrote: Well you could use inotify to trigger on any changes to /var/log/wtmp. When a change is detected, you could check of deltas in the output of who -a to figure out what has changed since the last time wtmp triggered. This is a good idea and you could also make use of the following library: http://pypi.python.org/pypi?:action=searchterm=utmpsubmit=search cheers James -- -- James Mills -- -- Problems are solved by method -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
