Re: Commercial or Famous Applicattions.?
On Wed, 10 Nov 2010 16:58:06 -0800, alex23 wrote: Martin Gregorie mar...@address-in-sig.invalid wrote: Now, if ESR had fixed fetchmail [...] Did you try submitting patches? Nope. I'd already seen comments that bug reports etc. are ignored and tried getmail. Since that does the needful, why should I bother? -- martin@ | Martin Gregorie gregorie. | Essex, UK org | -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Commercial or Famous Applicattions.?
On Wed, 10 Nov 2010 13:59:02 +, Nobody wrote: On Wed, 10 Nov 2010 13:07:58 +, Martin Gregorie wrote: FWIW the thing that really irritated me about fetchmail is the way it only deletes messages at the end of a session and never cleans up after itself. If a session gets timed out or otherwise interrupted the messages that were read in it are left in the server's mail marked 'read'. Subsequent sessions won't re-read them but won't go expunge them either. This leads to a gradual build-up of read but not expunged messages in the server's mailbox. The --flush option will delete any seen messages before retrieving new messages. ...and is described as dangerous, can cause message loss in the man page along with a warning to avoid including it as a permanent option - good enough reasons for not using it IMO. The --fetchall option will retrieve both seen and unseen messages. Again, not useful as a permanent option since I don't want to receive duplicated messages. In both cases using them 'as required' requires: (a) monitoring the source mailbox for 'read' message build up (b) when 'read' messages are seen, executing a sequence of stop fetchmail alter configuration run it for one retrieval session change config back restart using the normal configuration That's far too much hassle to be part of SOP. Now, if ESR had fixed fetchmail to tidy up after itself (if getmail can do that, there's no reason why fetchmail can't) or had even added the ability for a daily or weekly cron job to enquire about 'read' messages and, if any are present, tell it to silently expunge them in a special session, I'd probably still use it. Without equivalent fixes its just a buggy bit of software, making getmail a superior replacement because it 'just works'. -- martin@ | Martin Gregorie gregorie. | Essex, UK org | -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Commercial or Famous Applicattions.?
On Wed, 10 Nov 2010 13:07:58 +, Martin Gregorie wrote: FWIW the thing that really irritated me about fetchmail is the way it only deletes messages at the end of a session and never cleans up after itself. If a session gets timed out or otherwise interrupted the messages that were read in it are left in the server's mail marked 'read'. Subsequent sessions won't re-read them but won't go expunge them either. This leads to a gradual build-up of read but not expunged messages in the server's mailbox. The --flush option will delete any seen messages before retrieving new messages. The --fetchall option will retrieve both seen and unseen messages. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Commercial or Famous Applicattions.?
On Wed, 10 Nov 2010 17:01:05 +1300, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: In message ibbj3j$pv...@localhost.localdomain, Martin Gregorie wrote: ...and don't forget getmail, a better behaved replacement for fetchmail. I was just looking this up in the Getmail FAQ, since I didn’t know about the issues with Fetchmail. FWIW the thing that really irritated me about fetchmail is the way it only deletes messages at the end of a session and never cleans up after itself. If a session gets timed out or otherwise interrupted the messages that were read in it are left in the server's mail marked 'read'. Subsequent sessions won't re-read them but won't go expunge them either. This leads to a gradual build-up of read but not expunged messages in the server's mailbox. The only fix I discovered was to go in manually with an MUA just after a fetchmail session so it could read and expunge this junk. getmail doesn't cause this problem. -- martin@ | Martin Gregorie gregorie. | Essex, UK org | -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Commercial or Famous Applicattions.?
Martin Gregorie mar...@address-in-sig.invalid wrote: Now, if ESR had fixed fetchmail [...] Did you try submitting patches? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Commercial or Famous Applicattions.?
On 11/8/10 7:18 PM, Jorge Biquez wrote: Hello all. Newbie question. Sorry. Can you mention applications/systems/solutions made with Python that are well known and used by public in general? ANd that maybe we do not know they are done with Python? There are several on the Mac: Checkout, a POS program: http://checkoutapp.com/ EagleFiler, a file organizer: http://c-command.com/eaglefiler/ Phynchronicity, a GUI for Fink package manager: http://www.codebykevin.com/phynchronicity.html QuickWho, a whois search tool: http://www.codebykevin.com/quickwho.html I'm also sure there are others that I'm not aware of. --Kevin -- Kevin Walzer Code by Kevin http://www.codebykevin.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Commercial or Famous Applicattions.?
On Tue, 09 Nov 2010 00:47:08 +, brf256 wrote: Mailman is of course. ...and don't forget getmail, a better behaved replacement for fetchmail. -- martin@ | Martin Gregorie gregorie. | Essex, UK org | -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Commercial or Famous Applicattions.?
On 2010-11-09, Jorge Biquez jbiq...@icsmx.com wrote: Can you mention applications/systems/solutions made with Python that are well known and used by public in general? ANd that maybe we do not know they are done with Python? I'm not sure how much the public in general knows about it, but one I ran across recently is OpenERP: http://www.openerp.com/ It's a complete CRM/purchasing/HR/Accouting/Inventory/etc. system for businesses. Other programs I've used that I noticed were written in Python: Freevo (PVR/DVR HTPC media center) bittorrent (the original apps) RedHat's installer and some admin utils. Gentoos emerge build system. meld (source code diff/merge tool) skencil (vector drafting program) bitpim (cellphone data synch app) PyNeighborhood (network neighborhood browser) I'm sure there are dozens more that I've used and never realized they were written in Python. Last time I checked IBM/Lenovo computers all came with Python installed, since some of the pre-installed admin/maintenance stuff is written in Python. -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwardsYow! Are we live or on at tape? gmail.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Commercial or Famous Applicattions.?
In message ibbj3j$pv...@localhost.localdomain, Martin Gregorie wrote: ...and don't forget getmail, a better behaved replacement for fetchmail. I was just looking this up in the Getmail FAQ, since I didn’t know about the issues with Fetchmail. That’s it, ESR is off my Christmas-card list... -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Commercial or Famous Applicattions.?
Hello all. Newbie question. Sorry. Can you mention applications/systems/solutions made with Python that are well known and used by public in general? ANd that maybe we do not know they are done with Python? I had a talk with a friend, PHP-Only-Fan, and he said (you know the schema of those talks) that his language is better and that just to prove it there are not too many applications done with Python than the ones done with PHP and that that of course is for something. That conversation , that by the way I guess is useless at all , makes me thing the idea of ask of applications done with Python. Not for debate the argument of that guy BUT to learn what can be done with Python. In grphical interface, schemas of jobs, etc. I know that there are tons of solutions but would like to hear of possible about the ones you have used most or recommend the most. As an example, I love and have used in the last years MAILMAN, never crashed, always works even on my small and old Intel Pentium III with a 10GB hard disk and 640KB of RAM. Still working and will work for sure (running under FreeBsd by the way). Thanks in advance for your comments. Jorge Biquez -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Commercial or Famous Applicattions.?
Jorge Biquez jbiq...@icsmx.com wrote: Can you mention applications/systems/solutions made with Python that are well known and used by public in general? ANd that maybe we do not know they are done with Python? http://python.org/about/success/ This comes up semi-regularly so you might be able to find more examples in past threads. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Commercial or Famous Applicattions.?
Commenting on which language is better than this one or which language boasts the most achievements is nothing more than time very poorly spent. Some people will find Python to be the best thing since sliced bread (and i am one of them!), however others will find Python to be the worst language they ever used (thankfully very few!). These are nothing more than personal opinions and you must leave them at that level. Because as they say... Opinions are like sphincters -- everybody has at least one ... or something like that i suppose :) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Commercial or Famous Applicattions.?
Mailman is of course. As well as redhats anaconda installer and google uses python internally for many of there medium sized projects. Also, calibre, gwibber, portage pms, ubuntu software center, YUM pms and many others including YouTube. Moral is many big companies do both for products and internally. Cheers, - Braden Faulkner -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Commercial or Famous Applicattions.?
On 2010-11-09, rantingrick rantingr...@gmail.com wrote: Commenting on which language is better than this one or which language boasts the most achievements is nothing more than time very poorly spent. This is mostly true, but I don't think it's entirely true. It is certainly possible for someone else's language choices to affect me (if I get called in to fix their code). And as a result, I do try to do at least a little language advocacy. Specifically, I try to steer people away from PHP. I can live with just about everything else. -s -- Copyright 2010, all wrongs reversed. Peter Seebach / usenet-nos...@seebs.net http://www.seebs.net/log/ -- lawsuits, religion, and funny pictures http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_Game_(Scientology) -- get educated! I am not speaking for my employer, although they do rent some of my opinions. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Commercial or Famous Applicattions.?
On 11/8/2010 4:47 PM, brf...@gmail.com wrote: Mailman is of course. As well as redhats anaconda installer and google uses python internally for many of there medium sized projects. Also, calibre, gwibber, portage pms, ubuntu software center, YUM pms and many others including YouTube. Moral is many big companies do both for products and internally. Cheers, - Braden Faulkner YouTube was rewritten a few years ago, as it was scaled up. Not sure what it's written in now. John Nagle -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Commercial or Famous Applicattions.?
Jorge Biquez jbiq...@icsmx.com wrote Can you mention applications/systems/solutions made with Python that are well known and used by public in general? ANd that maybe we do not know they are done with Python? The Python web site has an advocacy section, you will find several success stories there. HTH, -- Alan Gauld Author of the Learn to Program web site http://www.alan-g.me.uk/ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Commercial or Famous Applicattions.?
On Nov 8, 6:43 pm, Seebs usenet-nos...@seebs.net wrote: On 2010-11-09, rantingrick rantingr...@gmail.com wrote: It is certainly possible for someone else's language choices to affect me (if I get called in to fix their code). And as a result, I do try to do at least a little language advocacy. Specifically, I try to steer people away from PHP. I can live with just about everything else. True and i agree with your statements however i was alluding more to the fact that there exist no true winner in the battle of languages. Just as there exists no winners in the battle of composers. You can say Hey this of group of talented fellows really shines above the rest. However you can NEVER say that This specific fellow shines above the group of talented fellows. Can you compare the expansive depth and melodic genius of Chopin to the explosive (almost vengeful!) energy of Ludwig van Beethoven? How how about Rachmaninoff to Liszt? But yea i must agree... PHP... :-P -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: [Tutor] Commercial or Famous Applicattions.?
just off the top of my head... NASA uses it. Lots of games use Python as their game logic/scripting language (how many use PHP? probably approaching 0. LUA is more popular than Python but Python is much more popular than PHP). The first ever bittorrent client (the official one) was written in Python. The game Eve Online is written completely in Python. Youtube uses lots of Python, Facebook uses some. Reddit is written in Python as well. Google App Engine has both Python and Java interfaces. They don't have a PHP interface; I wonder why? Lots of jobs at Google (even Java jobs and such) require Python experience; they don't tend to require PHP experience too. Because PHP doesn't really teach you much. The syntax is not nearly as elegant. It's buggy and rough around the edges. They have gross workarounds for a lot of things that should be language features. That's not to say that Python's the only language that is better than PHP for most things. Ruby is also a good option. But these languages are both infinitely more flexible _right now_ (not based almost solely for web apps) and better to use for almost everything than PHP. PHP has its place, and part of the reason it still has that place is because a lot of web hosts haven't started hosting Python and Ruby frameworks in a scalable, fast way. But it's not the frameworks' fault. That's just my 2c. On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 6:18 PM, Jorge Biquez jbiq...@icsmx.com wrote: Hello all. Newbie question. Sorry. Can you mention applications/systems/solutions made with Python that are well known and used by public in general? ANd that maybe we do not know they are done with Python? I had a talk with a friend, PHP-Only-Fan, and he said (you know the schema of those talks) that his language is better and that just to prove it there are not too many applications done with Python than the ones done with PHP and that that of course is for something. That conversation , that by the way I guess is useless at all , makes me thing the idea of ask of applications done with Python. Not for debate the argument of that guy BUT to learn what can be done with Python. In grphical interface, schemas of jobs, etc. I know that there are tons of solutions but would like to hear of possible about the ones you have used most or recommend the most. As an example, I love and have used in the last years MAILMAN, never crashed, always works even on my small and old Intel Pentium III with a 10GB hard disk and 640KB of RAM. Still working and will work for sure (running under FreeBsd by the way). Thanks in advance for your comments. Jorge Biquez ___ Tutor maillist - tu...@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Commercial or Famous Applicattions.?
On 9/11/2010 12:18 AM, Jorge Biquez wrote: Hello all. Newbie question. Sorry. Can you mention applications/systems/solutions made with Python that are well known and used by public in general? ANd that maybe we do not know they are done with Python? ... Jorge Biquez Keep in mind that Python is also popular in frameworks such as Zope and Twisted, and things based on them are based on Python. It's also been reasonably popular and well supported on Symbian smartphones. The Wing IDE is a good example of a commercial Python app on the desktop. I once got asked to write a list things that I'd make different in the technology world if I could, to make it better for everyone. Number 3 was everywhere you now see Javascript or PHP, you'd see Python instead. If only... Cheers, JB -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Commercial or Famous Applicattions.?
In message mailman.755.1289276189.2218.python-l...@python.org, John Bond wrote: I once got asked to write a list things that I'd make different in the technology world if I could, to make it better for everyone. Number 3 was everywhere you now see Javascript or PHP, you'd see Python instead. If only... PHP yes, JavaScript no. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Commercial or Famous Applicattions.?
In message mailman.749.1289261914.2218.python-l...@python.org, Jorge Biquez wrote: ... there are not too many applications done with Python than the ones done with PHP ... PHP is only used for server-side Web applications, nothing else. Python is used for lots of things, on and off the Web. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Commercial or Famous Applicattions.?
On 9/11/2010 5:54 AM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: In messagemailman.755.1289276189.2218.python-l...@python.org, John Bond wrote: I once got asked to write a list things that I'd make different in the technology world if I could, to make it better for everyone. Number 3 was everywhere you now see Javascript or PHP, you'd see Python instead. If only... PHP yes, JavaScript no. Without wanting to go too far o/t, why? Cheers, JB. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: JavaScript vs Python (was Re: Commercial or Famous Applicattions.?)
In message mailman.756.1289284312.2218.python-l...@python.org, John Bond wrote: On 9/11/2010 5:54 AM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: In messagemailman.755.1289276189.2218.python-l...@python.org, John Bond wrote: I once got asked to write a list things that I'd make different in the technology world if I could, to make it better for everyone. Number 3 was everywhere you now see Javascript or PHP, you'd see Python instead. If only... PHP yes, JavaScript no. ... why? Because JavaScript is actually a decent language in its own right. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: JavaScript vs Python (was Re: Commercial or Famous Applicattions.?)
On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 10:52 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro l...@geek-central.gen.nz wrote: In message mailman.756.1289284312.2218.python-l...@python.org, John Bond wrote: On 9/11/2010 5:54 AM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: In messagemailman.755.1289276189.2218.python-l...@python.org, John Bond wrote: I once got asked to write a list things that I'd make different in the technology world if I could, to make it better for everyone. Number 3 was everywhere you now see Javascript or PHP, you'd see Python instead. If only... PHP yes, JavaScript no. ... why? Because JavaScript is actually a decent language in its own right. The Good Parts of it anyway. Cheers, Chris -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: JavaScript vs Python (was Re: Commercial or Famous Applicattions.?)
On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 12:30 AM, Chris Rebert c...@rebertia.com wrote: The Good Parts of it anyway. All hail William Goldman! Wait, what were talking about? Ian -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
