Re: Email module, how to add header to the top of an email?

2008-01-26 Thread Karlheinz Klingbeil
Am 26.01.2008, 01:46 Uhr, schrieb David Erickson [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

It is important to note that the header fields are not guaranteed
 to
be in a particular order.  They may appear in any order, and they
have been known to be reordered occasionally when transported over
the Internet.  However, for the purposes of this standard, header
fields SHOULD NOT be reordered when a message is transported or
transformed.  More importantly, the trace header fields and resent
header fields MUST NOT be reordered, and SHOULD be kept in blocks
prepended to the message.  See sections 3.6.6 and 3.6.7 for more
information.

 Trace header fields are not to be ordered, and should be prepended
 when added to a message.  Now that said I am not trying to track
 anything, I simply want to prepend my additional headers onto the top
 of the email, and seem to be unable to do that via the API, which I
 think ought to be possible.  If for example I was writing some kind of
 an SMTP server with Python and needed to add said trace headers they
 would need to be prepended, and currently cannot be (without doing it
 by hand).

 -David
You're right on that point, though it says clearly It is important to
note that the header fields are not guaranteed to be in a particular  
order.

So it's in my opinion a good idea not to expect headers to be ordered and
add headers in a way which doesn't conflict with a *possible* reordering.


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Re: Email module, how to add header to the top of an email?

2008-01-25 Thread David Erickson
On Jan 25, 5:04 am, Karlheinz Klingbeil
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Am 25.01.2008, 06:21 Uhr, schrieb David Erickson [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

  Bottom of the headers... but I am looking to insert at the top, and re-
  ordering/inserting does matter depending on what type of header you
  are, received headers for example must be inserted at the top of the
  header list so you can watch the progression of the email.  I was
  unable to find a clean way to do this via the API which seems very
  strange to me.. but perhaps I am just missing something?

 I think your are really missing something. First, Email-headers are
 unordered
 and every relay can, and probably will,  rearrange them, add or delete
 headers.
 You therefore most definitely should not add any headers which are
 position-dependent.
 If you want to track mails somehow, add headers with timestamps.
 This way you can watch the progression of an email without being
 dependend on sorted headerlines.

This is incorrect, quoting directly from RFC 2822:

   It is important to note that the header fields are not guaranteed
to
   be in a particular order.  They may appear in any order, and they
   have been known to be reordered occasionally when transported over
   the Internet.  However, for the purposes of this standard, header
   fields SHOULD NOT be reordered when a message is transported or
   transformed.  More importantly, the trace header fields and resent
   header fields MUST NOT be reordered, and SHOULD be kept in blocks
   prepended to the message.  See sections 3.6.6 and 3.6.7 for more
   information.

Trace header fields are not to be ordered, and should be prepended
when added to a message.  Now that said I am not trying to track
anything, I simply want to prepend my additional headers onto the top
of the email, and seem to be unable to do that via the API, which I
think ought to be possible.  If for example I was writing some kind of
an SMTP server with Python and needed to add said trace headers they
would need to be prepended, and currently cannot be (without doing it
by hand).

-David
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Re: Email module, how to add header to the top of an email?

2008-01-25 Thread Karlheinz Klingbeil
Am 25.01.2008, 06:21 Uhr, schrieb David Erickson [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Bottom of the headers... but I am looking to insert at the top, and re-
 ordering/inserting does matter depending on what type of header you
 are, received headers for example must be inserted at the top of the
 header list so you can watch the progression of the email.  I was
 unable to find a clean way to do this via the API which seems very
 strange to me.. but perhaps I am just missing something?

I think your are really missing something. First, Email-headers are  
unordered
and every relay can, and probably will,  rearrange them, add or delete
headers.
You therefore most definitely should not add any headers which are
position-dependent.
If you want to track mails somehow, add headers with timestamps.
This way you can watch the progression of an email without being
dependend on sorted headerlines.




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Email module, how to add header to the top of an email?

2008-01-24 Thread David Erickson
I have been using the Email module and Message class for awhile,
however I have been unable to find a way to add a header to the top of
the email similar to what is done with Received: headers... the
add_header method only appends to the bottom.  Is there someway this
can be done?

Thanks
David
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Re: Email module, how to add header to the top of an email?

2008-01-24 Thread Martin Marcher
On Thursday 24 January 2008 20:32 David Erickson wrote:

 I have been using the Email module and Message class for awhile,
 however I have been unable to find a way to add a header to the top of
 the email similar to what is done with Received: headers... the
 add_header method only appends to the bottom.  Is there someway this
 can be done?


if by bottom you mean added as the new last header than you don't have to
care, afaik email headers do not have a notion of order

e.g

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

is equal to

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


if by bottom you mean it's appended to the body...well that is a problem :)

hth
martin

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Re: Email module, how to add header to the top of an email?

2008-01-24 Thread David Erickson
On Jan 24, 2:41 pm, Martin Marcher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Thursday 24 January 2008 20:32 David Erickson wrote:

  I have been using the Email module and Message class for awhile,
  however I have been unable to find a way to add a header to the top of
  the email similar to what is done with Received: headers... the
  add_header method only appends to the bottom.  Is there someway this
  can be done?

 if by bottom you mean added as the new last header than you don't have to
 care, afaik email headers do not have a notion of order

 e.g

 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 is equal to

 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 if by bottom you mean it's appended to the body...well that is a problem :)

 hth
 martin

Bottom of the headers... but I am looking to insert at the top, and re-
ordering/inserting does matter depending on what type of header you
are, received headers for example must be inserted at the top of the
header list so you can watch the progression of the email.  I was
unable to find a clean way to do this via the API which seems very
strange to me.. but perhaps I am just missing something?

Thanks,
-David
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