Re: HOST - Assembla Inc. Breakout - Copyright Violation by Mr. Andy Singleton
Ilias Lazaridis wrote: Ben Finney wrote: Ilias Lazaridis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I admit it is difficult to detect that this post is in-topic. But it is. Really, it's not. If you want a voice, you already have your website. Mailing lists and other discussion forums have conventions about topic for a good reason. of course. http://case.lazaridis.com/wiki/Host http://case.lazaridis.com/wiki/License http://case.lazaridis.com/wiki/Copyright I should have posted them immediately. No, you should have found a forum where you know that the topic is appropriate -- even if that restricts it to your own website. ??? my website is not a forum (and I'm currently reducing it to the minimum necessary information.) and once more: this topic _is_ appropriate for a python / ruby / java crosspost. really very important (if you don't look to much at the subject but the message contents). Well if you can't even be bothered to formulate a subject line that makes its signinficance immediately important you can hrdly be surprised at our failure to wade through reams of irrelevant drivel. If you have a dispute, go resolve it. But not here, please. regards Steve -- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC/Ltd http://www.holdenweb.com Skype: holdenweb http://holdenweb.blogspot.com Recent Ramblings http://del.icio.us/steve.holden -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: HOST - Assembla Inc. Breakout - Copyright Violation by Mr. Andy Singleton
No, you should have found a forum where you know that the topic is appropriate -- even if that restricts it to your own website. ??? my website is not a forum (and I'm currently reducing it to the minimum necessary information.) You obviously lack the skill to comprehend that a forum isn't meant to be a web-forum, but more generally a place where you can express your opinions. Which is your website by all means. So, go, restrict yourself and voice your private opinions there. Not here. and once more: this topic _is_ appropriate for a python / ruby / java crosspost. Why should a private quabble over some neglectable open source contributions be of any interest to a community, let alone even three of them? really very important (if you don't look to much at the subject but the message contents). All that I have seen were some accusations + a few ridiculously small subversion entries that showed default parameters changed and the like. This is on the same level of interest to the communities of python, ruby java as the color of my socks this morning - a deep black with cute little skulls imprinted. Diez -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: HOST - Assembla Inc. Breakout - Copyright Violation by Mr. Andy Singleton
Diez B. Roggisch wrote: [...] really very important (if you don't look to much at the subject but the message contents). All that I have seen were some accusations + a few ridiculously small subversion entries that showed default parameters changed and the like. This is on the same level of interest to the communities of python, ruby java as the color of my socks this morning - a deep black with cute little skulls imprinted. I have to say I find the colour of your socks *much* more interesting. regards Steve -- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC/Ltd http://www.holdenweb.com Skype: holdenweb http://holdenweb.blogspot.com Recent Ramblings http://del.icio.us/steve.holden -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: HOST - Assembla Inc. Breakout - Copyright Violation by Mr. Andy Singleton
Diez B. Roggisch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] This is on the same level of interest to the communities of python, ruby java as the color of my socks this morning - a deep black with cute little skulls imprinted. I did find Andy's claim that he expected contributors to sing a copyright transfer agreement somewhat unreasonable. It would depend on the tune though, I guess. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: HOST - Assembla Inc. Breakout - Copyright Violation by Mr. Andy Singleton
On 10/6/06, Diez B. Roggisch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is on the same level of interest to the communities of python, ruby java as the color of my socks this morning - a deep black with cute little skulls imprinted. Where did you get these? -- Theerasak -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: HOST - Assembla Inc. Breakout - Copyright Violation by Mr. Andy Singleton
Steve Holden wrote: I have to say I find the colour of your socks *much* more interesting. Especially what with the skulls and all. -- Erik Max Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.alcyone.com/max/ San Jose, CA, USA 37 20 N 121 53 W AIM, Y!M erikmaxfrancis Can I lay with you / As your wife -- India Arie -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: HOST - Assembla Inc. Breakout - Copyright Violation by Mr. Andy Singleton
Diez B. Roggisch wrote: This is on the same level of interest to the communities of python, ruby java as the color of my socks this morning - a deep black with cute little skulls imprinted. are they perhaps red or green? and look something like the skulls on this: http://www.rusta.se/images/products/31101067_l.jpg /F -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: HOST - Assembla Inc. Breakout - Copyright Violation by Mr. Andy Singleton
hanumizzle schrieb: On 10/6/06, Diez B. Roggisch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is on the same level of interest to the communities of python, ruby java as the color of my socks this morning - a deep black with cute little skulls imprinted. Where did you get these? You can buy them at HM, but unfortunately they aren't always in stock. But little skulls on thingies the have quite often - I don't wanna get into the details of my underwear :P Diez -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: HOST - Assembla Inc. Breakout - Copyright Violation by Mr. Andy Singleton
Richard Brodie schrieb: Diez B. Roggisch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] This is on the same level of interest to the communities of python, ruby java as the color of my socks this morning - a deep black with cute little skulls imprinted. I did find Andy's claim that he expected contributors to sing a copyright transfer agreement somewhat unreasonable. It would depend on the tune though, I guess. There are lots of people out there how require such things, and it might even be for malicious reasons sometimes - not that I'm aware of that in the current case, mind you! There are plenty of good reasons to do so as well. The point here is: nobody is forced to sign such agreement, breakout is not an effort that has any importance for the python, let alone all three communities, and this is a totally private matter between two people. Maybe fellow co-developers are interested, but then there should be an email list. And as Illias has a history of postings that claim others post containing irrelevant stuff - either to him, or in general - he is on very thin ice here. Diez -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: HOST - Assembla Inc. Breakout - Copyright Violation by Mr. Andy Singleton
Ilias Lazaridis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and once more: this topic _is_ appropriate for a python / ruby / java crosspost. really very important (if you don't look to much at the subject but the message contents). I really don't understand why your public announcement should be in topic in this newsgroup. -- Lawrence - http://www.oluyede.org/blog Nothing is more dangerous than an idea if it's the only one you have - E. A. Chartier -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: HOST - Assembla Inc. Breakout - Copyright Violation by Mr. Andy Singleton
Erik Max Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Steve Holden wrote: I have to say I find the colour of your socks *much* more interesting. Especially what with the skulls and all. Yeah, where'd you get those socks? (Halloweens a-comin') :) -- Paul -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: HOST - Assembla Inc. Breakout - Copyright Violation by Mr. Andy Singleton
Richard Brodie wrote: Diez B. Roggisch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] This is on the same level of interest to the communities of python, ruby java as the color of my socks this morning - a deep black with cute little skulls imprinted. I did find Andy's claim that he expected contributors to sing a copyright transfer agreement somewhat unreasonable. It would depend on the tune though, I guess. Such agreements seem to be nothing special within Software Business (although the Assembla one looks a little bit one-sided). Companies have to ensure that they own the software, otherwise they cannot sell the product. For a contribution which happens based on reduced rates and in context of Open Source, such an agreement is of course inacceptable (developer looses all rights). That's why I've provided an alternative agreement (Joint Copyright), which covers the needs of both sides: http://case.lazaridis.com/wiki/AssemblaReworkProject#CopyrightAssignment . -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: HOST - Assembla Inc. Breakout - Copyright Violation by Mr. Andy Singleton
[For some reason, the newsgroup server seems to not have distributed the messages yet. Thus posting via groups-google now. first message was from 2006-09-27, second message from 2006-09-28, both with a CC to Andy Singleton] Ilias Lazaridis wrote: Ilias Lazaridis wrote: CC to : Andy Singleton [EMAIL PROTECTED] followup to: c.l.ruby Despite several notifications, Mr. Andy Singleton of Assembla Inc. continues to keep my contributions within the breakout project, without payment of the related invoices, violating this way my copyright. I ask Mr. Singleton of Assembla Inc. once more to remove all material (code, documentation, documentation changes, tickets) posted by my person to the Breakout project under the user-name lazaridis_com between 2006-07-15 00:00 and 2006-07-04 23:59 (GMT) correction: and 2006-08-04 23:59 -^^--- http://tools.assembla.com/breakout/timeline?from=08%2F05%2F06daysback=21milestone=onticket=onticket_details=onchangeset=onwiki=onupdate=Update Mr. Singleton, In reply to your private message (which states that you removed all of my original code, tickets and wiki pages): I can confirm that you've removed: * all tickets and ticket-comments * all original wiki pages and wiki-page-modifications - As to the code and other repository commits: You have removed a few (not all) of my commits from the repository... http://tools.assembla.com/breakout/changeset/1429 ...but this code is still active on the production server. As you said within the private email it's a small amount of code. Thus it should be no problem to _immediately_ revert _all_ my commits from the repository and to _remove_ the code from the production server (and of course from all other servers which run breakout): for your convenience, here is a list: http://tools.assembla.com/breakout/timeline?from=08%2F05%2F06daysback=22changeset=onupdate=Update Mr. Singleton, within privat email (2006-09-28), you've replied that you've looked at the list and removed the original code. Additionally, you stated that it will be deployed after testing (to the production server). It's a small amount of code (and configuration-file changes), so why do you need time for this simple task? After waiting one further week, I ask you once more to revert the commits from the repository and from the production server(s) (where my contributions are still active): Possibly missed during last revert: http://tools.assembla.com/breakout/changeset/1323 Not reverted: http://tools.assembla.com/breakout/changeset/1316 http://tools.assembla.com/breakout/changeset/1326 http://tools.assembla.com/breakout/changeset/1327 http://tools.assembla.com/breakout/changeset/1328 http://tools.assembla.com/breakout/changeset/1329 you do _not_ need to revert those commits (as they've been overridden by the update or contain irrelevant commits): http://tools.assembla.com/breakout/changeset/1313 http://tools.assembla.com/breakout/changeset/1314 http://tools.assembla.com/breakout/changeset/1315 http://tools.assembla.com/breakout/changeset/1330 - I wish you good luck in further adopting Open Source Practices whilst bringing them to commercial software development. Hopefully your clients are aware of what can happen within public projects: a public confrontation. I am just one individual - imagine what happens if a whole community detects an abuse...! - One final tip: If you edit manually posts / your writings on a infrastructure under your control (assembla.com), whilst adding messages which you've previously posted:: Also, I don’t want your code. I will replace any code that you wrote. http://assembla.com/flows/show_comment/a_Q598si0r26njaaeP0Qfc#showReply=false do not forget one thing: The internet-caches (like e.g. google cache): Also, I don’t want your code. I will replace any code that you wrote, that is not covered by the GPL licensing that applies to our Trac code, if I can find any. http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:15NB7Z3ufJIJ:tools.assembla.com/breakout/ticket/484+Simply:+what%27s+going+on+here%3Fhl=enct=clnkcd=1 - Note to readers: You can find the whole case here: http://case.lazaridis.com/wiki/Assembla . I still don't understand why you've not kept you're offer of a partial payment: http://beta.assembla.com/flows/show/by2rhcrQKr25-kadbivGe2#showReply=false http://beta.assembla.com/flows/show/a_Q598si0r26njaaeP0Qfc#showReply=false (You can still do this, in order to avoid further effort.) - Finally, to cover your curiosity about the objective of my request (and your hope that I've achieved it): a) To protect my rights and to avoid commercial use of my _commercial_ (but unpaid) contributions to a _commercial_ project. b) Το showcase negative side-effects of Development Only Open Source Licenses (like Assembla Breakout uses). c) To inform other developers about upcoming Commercial Open Source projects and the importancy of the
Re: HOST - Assembla Inc. Breakout - Copyright Violation by Mr. Andy Singleton
Ilias Lazaridis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] snip - a bunch of back-and-forth correspondence of no interest to anyone here whatsoever . -- http://lazaridis.com WHAT IS THIS CRAP DOING ON THIS NEWSGROUP???!!! IT IS UNWANTED AND UNWELCOME!!! If you want to make some sort of public notice of your aggrievement with Assembla, Breakout, Mr. Singleton, whatever, take out an ad in the newspaper! No one here is interested in your soap opera. -- Paul McGuire -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: HOST - Assembla Inc. Breakout - Copyright Violation by Mr. Andy Singleton
Paul McGuire wrote: Ilias Lazaridis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] snip - a bunch of back-and-forth correspondence of no interest to anyone here whatsoever WHAT IS THIS CRAP DOING ON THIS NEWSGROUP???!!! IT IS UNWANTED AND UNWELCOME!!! If you want to make some sort of public notice of your aggrievement with Assembla, Breakout, Mr. Singleton, whatever, take out an ad in the newspaper! No one here is interested in your soap opera. -- Paul McGuire please relax and do not speak for all current and future readers (archives). I admit it is difficult to detect that this post is in-topic. But it is. And the crosspost is valid, too. The key for it's validity is within those two topics (to which the original post connects): http://case.lazaridis.com/wiki/Host http://case.lazaridis.com/wiki/License http://case.lazaridis.com/wiki/Copyright I should have posted them immediately. . -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: HOST - Assembla Inc. Breakout - Copyright Violation by Mr. Andy Singleton
Ilias Lazaridis wrote: please relax and do not speak for all current and future readers (archives). He may not be speaking for all of them, but he's speaking for the vast majority. You are a consummate pest. -- Erik Max Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.alcyone.com/max/ San Jose, CA, USA 37 20 N 121 53 W AIM, Y!M erikmaxfrancis No one knows what he can do until he tries. -- Publilius Syrus -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: HOST - Assembla Inc. Breakout - Copyright Violation by Mr. Andy Singleton
Ilias Lazaridis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I admit it is difficult to detect that this post is in-topic. But it is. Really, it's not. If you want a voice, you already have your website. Mailing lists and other discussion forums have conventions about topic for a good reason. http://case.lazaridis.com/wiki/Host http://case.lazaridis.com/wiki/License http://case.lazaridis.com/wiki/Copyright I should have posted them immediately. No, you should have found a forum where you know that the topic is appropriate -- even if that restricts it to your own website. -- \ In general my children refuse to eat anything that hasn't | `\ danced on television. -- Erma Bombeck | _o__) | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: HOST - Assembla Inc. Breakout - Copyright Violation by Mr. Andy Singleton
Ben Finney wrote: Ilias Lazaridis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I admit it is difficult to detect that this post is in-topic. But it is. Really, it's not. If you want a voice, you already have your website. Mailing lists and other discussion forums have conventions about topic for a good reason. of course. http://case.lazaridis.com/wiki/Host http://case.lazaridis.com/wiki/License http://case.lazaridis.com/wiki/Copyright I should have posted them immediately. No, you should have found a forum where you know that the topic is appropriate -- even if that restricts it to your own website. ??? my website is not a forum (and I'm currently reducing it to the minimum necessary information.) and once more: this topic _is_ appropriate for a python / ruby / java crosspost. really very important (if you don't look to much at the subject but the message contents). -- \ In general my children refuse to eat anything that hasn't | `\ danced on television. -- Erma Bombeck | _o__) | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
