How to split value where is comma ?
Here is my view.py
import os.path
import commands
def call_report(request):
a = commands.getstatusoutput('/usr/local/freeswitch/bin/fs_cli -x "show
calls"')
return HttpResponse(a)
When i run this command it gives output which you can see...
0uuid,direction,created,created_epoch,name,state,cid_name,cid_num,ip_addr,dest,presence_id,presence_data,callstate,callee_name,callee_num,callee_direction,call_uuid,hostname,sent_callee_name,sent_callee_num,b_uuid,b_direction,b_created,b_created_epoch,b_name,b_state,b_cid_name,b_cid_num,b_ip_addr,b_dest,b_presence_id,b_presence_data,b_callstate,b_callee_name,b_callee_num,b_callee_direction,b_sent_callee_name,b_sent_callee_num,call_created_epoch
7135c05c-7511-11e6-a09e-89a1f4981d2c,outbound,2016-09-07
11:40:45,1473262845,sofia/external/12036325207,CS_EXECUTE,Outbound
Call,12036325207,,12036325207,,,ACTIVE,9047125683,9047125683,RECV,7135c05c-7511-11e6-a09e-89a1f4981d2c,vb-pmedia,
75a9d3ee-7511-11e6-a115-89a1f4981d2c,outbound,2016-09-07
11:40:53,1473262853,sofia/external/12036325259,CS_EXECUTE,Outbound
Call,12036325259,,12036325259,,,ACTIVE,9047125683,9047125683,RECV,75a9d3ee-7511-11e6-a115-89a1f4981d2c,vb-pmedia,
7841c6c0-7511-11e6-a139-89a1f4981
d2c,outbound,2016-09-07
11:40:57,1473262857,sofia/external/16189973135,CS_EXECUTE,Outbound
Call,16189973135,,16189973135,,,ACTIVE,3473788006,3473788006,RECV,7841c6c0-7511-11e6-a139-89a1f4981d2c,vb-pmedia,
78582a82-7511-11e6-a141-89a1f4981d2c,outbound,2016-09-07
11:40:57,1473262857,sofia/external/16185392123,CS_EXECUTE,Outbound
Call,16185392123,,16185392123,,,ACTIVE,3473788006,3473788006,RECV,78582a82-7511-11e6-a141-89a1f4981d2c,vb-pmedia,
79eda1ec-7511-11e6-a161-89a1f4981d2c,outbound,2016-09-07
11:41:00,1473262860,sofia/external/12037584114,CS_EXECUTE,Outbound
Call,12037584114,,12037584114,,,ACTIVE,3473788006,3473788006,RECV,79eda1ec-7511-11e6-a161-89a1f4981d2c,vb-pmedia,
7a02bb90-7511-11e6-a169-89a1f4981d2c,outbound,2016-09-07
11:41:00,1473262860,sofia/external/13346775290,CS_EXECUTE,Outbound
Call,13346775290,,13346775290,,,ACTIVE,3473788006,3473788006,RECV,7a02bb90-7511-11e6-a169-89a1f4981d2c,vb-pmedia
, 7a1fa002-7511-11e6-a179-89a1f4981d2c,outbound,2016-09-07
11:41:00,1473262860,sofia/external/15154483189,CS_EXECUTE,Outbound
Call,15154483189,,15154483189,,,ACTIVE,3473788006,3473788006,RECV,7a1fa002-7511-11e6-a179-89a1f4981d2c,vb-pmedia,
7a20d864-7511-11e6-a181-89a1f4981d2c,outbound,2016-09-07
11:41:00,1473262860,sofia/external/12036325257,CS_EXECUTE,Outbound
Call,12036325257,,12036325257,,,ACTIVE,9047125683,9047125683,RECV,7a20d864-7511-11e6-a181-89a1f4981d2c,vb-pmedia,
7a354cf4-7511-11e6-a191-89a1f4981d2c,outbound,2016-09-07
11:41:00,1473262860,sofia/external/13348725798,CS_EXECUTE,Outbound
Call,13348725798,,13348725798,,,ACTIVE,9047125683,9047125683,RECV,7a354cf4-7511-11e6-a191-89a1f4981d2c,vb-pmedia,
7e90e128-7511-11e6-a1d4-89a1f4981d2c,outbound,2016-09-07
11:41:07,1473262867,sofia/external/13345880337,CS_EXECUTE,Outbound
Call,13345880337,,13345880337,,,ACTIVE,9047125683,9047125683,RECV,7e90e128-7511-11e6-a1d4-89a1f49
81d2c,vb-pmedia,
7e9c3514-7511-11e6-a1e8-89a1f4981d2c,outbound,2016-09-07
11:41:08,1473262868,sofia/external/12036325256,CS_EXECUTE,Outbound
Call,12036325256,,12036325256,,,ACTIVE,9047125683,9047125683,RECV,7e9c3514-7511-11e6-a1e8-89a1f4981d2c,vb-pmedia,
7f3cdc62-7511-11e6-a1ff-89a1f4981d2c,outbound,2016-09-07
11:41:09,1473262869,sofia/external/13344992844,CS_EXECUTE,Outbound
Call,13344992844,,13344992844,,,ACTIVE,9047125683,9047125683,RECV,7f3cdc62-7511-11e6-a1ff-89a1f4981d2c,vb-pmedia,
82179454-7511-11e6-a228-89a1f4981d2c,outbound,2016-09-07
11:41:13,1473262873,sofia/external/16185392157,CS_EXECUTE,Outbound
But i want to get output like this
0uuid,direction,created,created_epoch,name,state,cid_name,cid_num,ip_addr,dest,presence_id,presence_data,callstate,callee_name,callee_num,callee_direction,call_uuid,hostname,sent_callee_name,sent_callee_num,b_uuid,b_direction,b_created,b_created_epoch,b_name,b_state,b_cid_name,b_cid_num,b_ip_addr,b_dest,b_presence_id,b_presence_data,b_callstate,b_callee_name,b_callee_num,b_callee_direction,b_sent_callee_name,b_sent_callee_num,call_created_epoch
7135c05c-7511-11e6-a09e-89a1f4981d2c,outbound,2016-09-07
11:40:45,1473262845,sofia/external/12036325207,CS_EXECUTE,Outbound
Call,12036325207,,12036325207,,,ACTIVE,9047125683,9047125683,RECV,7135c05c-7511-11e6-a09e-89a1f4981d2c,vb-pmedia,
75a9d3ee-7511-11e6-a115-89a1f4981d2c,outbound,2016-09-07 11:40:53,
1473262853,
sofia/external/1203632525,CS_EXECUTE,
Outbound Call,
12036325259,
,12036325259,
,
,ACTIVE,
9047125683,
9047125683,
RECV,
75a9d3ee-7511-11e6-a115-89a1f4981d2c,
vb-pmedia,7841c6c0-7
Re: How to split value where is comma ?
On Wed, 7 Sep 2016 08:51:36 -0700 (PDT), Asad ur Rehman wrote: [snip] > sofia/external/1203632525,CS_EXECUTE, > Outbound Call, > 12036325259, > ,12036325259, > , > ,ACTIVE, > 9047125683, > 9047125683, > RECV, > 75a9d3ee-7511-11e6-a115-89a1f4981d2c, > vb-pmedia,7841c6c0-7511-11e6-a139-89a1f4981d2c, > outbound,2016-09-07 11:40:57,1473262857,sofia/external/16189973135, > > where is a comma there should start new line ... How can i do it ? Is your question "Given a string that may contain some commas, how do I insert a newline after each comma"? (Note that that is *not* what you show, but from what you show I can't tell what you want.) -- To email me, substitute nowhere->runbox, invalid->com. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
RE: How to split value where is comma ?
> where is a comma there should start new line ... How can i do it ?
Use the split
a.split(",")
for x in a:
print(x)
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Re: How to split value where is comma ?
On Wed, 7 Sep 2016 16:04:40 +
Joaquin Alzola wrote:
> > where is a comma there should start new line ... How can i do it ?
>
> Use the split
>
> a.split(",")
> for x in a:
> print(x)
Seems overly complex.
print(a.replace(',', '\n'))
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> are not the intended recipient, please do not copy or disclose its
> content but contact the sender immediately upon receipt.
Do you realize how stupid it is to put this on a message sent all around
the world?
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Re: How to split value where is comma ?
On 08/09/2016 03:54, D'Arcy J.M. Cain wrote: On Wed, 7 Sep 2016 16:04:40 + Joaquin Alzola wrote: .. This email is confidential and may be subject to privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not copy or disclose its content but contact the sender immediately upon receipt. Do you realize how stupid it is to put this on a message sent all around the world? I have worked places where they put stuff like this at the bottom of emails sent to the person sitting next to them :) -raising entropy-ly yrs- Robin Becker -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: How to split value where is comma ?
In Joaquin Alzola
writes:
> Use the split
> a.split(",")
> for x in a:
> print(x)
This won't work. split() returns a list of split elements but the
original string remains unchanged.
You want something like this instead:
newlist = a.split(",")
for x in newlist:
print(x)
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Re: How to split value where is comma ?
On 09/08/2016 07:57 AM, John Gordon wrote:
In Joaquin Alzola
writes:
Use the split
a.split(",")
for x in a:
print(x)
This won't work. split() returns a list of split elements but the
original string remains unchanged.
You want something like this instead:
newlist = a.split(",")
for x in newlist:
print(x)
Even easier...
for x in a.split(','):
print(x)
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Re: How to split value where is comma ?
On Friday, September 9, 2016 at 1:36:24 AM UTC+5:30, Larry Hudson wrote:
> On 09/08/2016 07:57 AM, John Gordon wrote:
> > In Joaquin Alzola writes:
> >
> >> Use the split
> >
> >> a.split(",")
> >> for x in a:
> >> print(x)
> >
> > This won't work. split() returns a list of split elements but the
> > original string remains unchanged.
> >
> > You want something like this instead:
> >
> > newlist = a.split(",")
> > for x in newlist:
> > print(x)
> >
>
> Even easier...
>
> for x in a.split(','):
> print(x)
In all probability, what is required is just: a.split(','); no for, no print
And unfortunately none of the answers (that I see) describe the spectrum of
what one may really want
a.split(',')
set(a.split(','))
Less likely (in this case) but important for a learner to be aware of:
Counter(a.split(',')
And if the original 'a' looked something like
>>> a="p:1,q:2,r:42"
then you probably want something like:
>>> {k:v for item in a.split(',') for k,v in [item.split(':')]}
{'q': '2', 'p': '1', 'r': '42'}
>>>
In all cases the print is irrelevant and unnecessary
And if we insist on interpreting the OP request for replacing comma by newline
(almost always a misconceived request), one can do:
>>> a="p,q,r"
>>> str(a.replace(',','\n'))
'p\nq\nr'
Sure one can go one step further and do:
>>> print str(a.replace(',','\n'))
p
q
r
But this is almost always not what the requester wants (even if he thinks it is)
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sticking
a thermometer into one’s mouth.
Those who teach that programming needs to start with writing print statements
are the same except for not having the excuse of being kids]
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Re: How to split value where is comma ?
On Friday, September 9, 2016 at 11:51:25 AM UTC+5:30, Rustom Mody wrote:
> And if the original 'a' looked something like
> >>> a="p:1,q:2,r:42"
>
> then you probably want something like:
>
> >>> {k:v for item in a.split(',') for k,v in [item.split(':')]}
> {'q': '2', 'p': '1', 'r': '42'}
> >>>
Well if the a did look like
>>> a="a:1,b:2,c:42"
what we would need is likely to be
>>> {k:int(v) for item in a.split(',') for k,v in [item.split(':')]}
{'a': 1, 'c': 42, 'b': 2}
Likely, but not necessary -- eg we would not want leading zeroes in a
phone number to disappear
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Re: How to split value where is comma ?
On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 4:20 PM, Rustom Mody wrote: > [Personal note: When I was a kid I thought that doctors removed fever by > sticking > a thermometer into one’s mouth. > Those who teach that programming needs to start with writing print statements > are the same except for not having the excuse of being kids] I agree. People should learn that print is not a statement any more, it's a function. And then use it. Use it often, use it early. Know what your program is doing. Practicality beats pure functional programming? ChrisA -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
RE: How to split value where is comma ?
>I have worked places where they put stuff like this at the bottom of emails >sent to the person sitting next to them :) -raising entropy-ly yrs- Robin >Becker Cannot do anything about it. It is not on my MTA client and it is added by the company server :( If it depended on my I will remove it but I can not do that. This email is confidential and may be subject to privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not copy or disclose its content but contact the sender immediately upon receipt. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: How to split value where is comma ?
On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 7:27 PM, Joaquin Alzola wrote: >>I have worked places where they put stuff like this at the bottom of emails >>sent to the person sitting next to them :) -raising entropy-ly yrs- Robin >>Becker > > Cannot do anything about it. It is not on my MTA client and it is added by > the company server :( > > If it depended on my I will remove it but I can not do that. Haven't you been reading what we've been saying? COMPLAIN. Go to whoever you can in the company and muster up support for the removal. Tell your bosses how stupid it makes the company look. Or just use a different mail server. ChrisA -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: How to split value where is comma ?
On 2016-09-08 09:27:20 +, Joaquin Alzola said: Cannot do anything about it. It is not on my MTA client and it is added by the company server :( If it depended on my I will remove it but I can not do that. This email is confidential and may be subject to privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not copy or disclose its content but contact the sender immediately upon receipt. At least use a signature (conventionally marked by double dash, space, newline) so the part that's automatically added by the mail system is clearly separated from the body of your message. -- Andrea -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: How to split value where is comma ?
On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 12:00 AM, jmp wrote: > On 09/11/2016 02:12 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: >> >> On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 7:27 PM, Joaquin Alzola >> wrote: I have worked places where they put stuff like this at the bottom of emails sent to the person sitting next to them :) -raising entropy-ly yrs- Robin Becker >>> >>> >>> Cannot do anything about it. It is not on my MTA client and it is added >>> by the company server :( > > > [snip] > >> Tell your bosses how stupid it makes the company look. >> >> ChrisA >> > > That could get someone into troubles. I would not follow that advice before > considering the probable outcomes. Yes. Consider the probable outcomes before doing it, but still do it. If you're more important to the company than the stupid-looking boiler-plate, it will be fired rather than you. And if you learn that pseudo-legalese boiler-plate is more important than you are... you probably don't want to work there anyway. ChrisA -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: How to split value where is comma ?
On 09/11/2016 02:12 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 7:27 PM, Joaquin Alzola wrote: I have worked places where they put stuff like this at the bottom of emails sent to the person sitting next to them :) -raising entropy-ly yrs- Robin Becker Cannot do anything about it. It is not on my MTA client and it is added by the company server :( [snip] Tell your bosses how stupid it makes the company look. ChrisA That could get someone into troubles. I would not follow that advice before considering the probable outcomes. I'd rather go for the change of mail server. jm -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: How to split value where is comma ?
On 2016-09-12, jmp wrote: > On 09/11/2016 02:12 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: >> On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 7:27 PM, Joaquin Alzola >> wrote: I have worked places where they put stuff like this at the bottom of emails sent to the person sitting next to them :) -raising entropy-ly yrs- Robin Becker >>> >>> Cannot do anything about it. It is not on my MTA client and it is added by >>> the company server :( > > [snip] > >> Tell your bosses how stupid it makes the company look. >> >> ChrisA >> > > That could get someone into troubles. Well, you need to be a bit diplomatic about it: "Just FYI, people have told me that they think our boilerplate disclaimer makes it seem that the company is naive and lacks an understanding of how the Internet works and the legalities involved..." -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwardsYow! Is something VIOLENT at going to happen to a gmail.comGARBAGE CAN? -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: How to split value where is comma ?
On Mon, 12 Sep 2016 14:30:32 +, Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2016-09-12, jmp wrote: >> On 09/11/2016 02:12 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: >>> On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 7:27 PM, Joaquin Alzola >>> wrote: > I have worked places where they put stuff like this at the bottom of > emails sent to the person sitting next to them :) -raising > entropy-ly yrs- Robin Becker Cannot do anything about it. It is not on my MTA client and it is added by the company server :( >> >> [snip] >> >>> Tell your bosses how stupid it makes the company look. >>> >>> ChrisA >>> >>> >> That could get someone into troubles. > > Well, you need to be a bit diplomatic about it: > > "Just FYI, people have told me that they think our boilerplate >disclaimer makes it seem that the company is naive and lacks an >understanding of how the Internet works and the legalities >involved..." Tag on "and they are not sure the want to do business with us because of it" that should make someone look at it first rather than simply dismiss it out of hand -- Real Users are afraid they'll break the machine -- but they're never afraid to break your face. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
What you can do about legalese nonsense on email (was: How to split value where is comma ?)
Joaquin Alzola writes: > world? > > Cannot do anything. That's not true; you can do more than we. > Added by the MTA of the company not by my client. Right. So, here are things you can do (that we cannot) about this: * Complain, with reasoned explanation, to the management responsible for deciding whether that nonsense continues to be added to every message. If they haven't heard the complaint before, they will no longer have that excuse. If they have heard the complaint before, yours will add to the weight of evidence that this is not wanted. * Switch to a different mail service, one which does not add that nonsense to your email. Yes, this is inconvenient for you. But it's impossible for us to do on your behalf, so you are in a position of more power than us. * Complain again to the management responsible for the ongoing decision to place nonsense on your email, that you have been forced to use a different mail system in order not to appear contemptuous of the communities in which you participate. If you are participating for reasons of benefit to the organisation, point out that their ongoing decision is making that more difficult for their employees. These are all powers you have; please don't feel that you can do nothing. -- \ “Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without | `\ having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it | _o__) too?” —Douglas Adams | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
RE: What you can do about legalese nonsense on email (was: How to split value where is comma ?)
Hi Ben Thanks for the advice. > * Complain Basically what all comes down is to complain. I wonder if in a company of 80,000 people I will manage to change that behaviour. This email is confidential and may be subject to privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not copy or disclose its content but contact the sender immediately upon receipt. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: What you can do about legalese nonsense on email (was: How to split value where is comma ?)
On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 7:17 AM, Joaquin Alzola wrote: > Hi Ben > > Thanks for the advice. > >> * Complain > > Basically what all comes down is to complain. I wonder if in a company of > 80,000 people I will manage to change that behaviour. > This email is confidential and may be subject to privilege. If you are not > the intended recipient, please do not copy or disclose its content but > contact the sender immediately upon receipt. > You are one out of eighty thousand. I am zero out of eighty thousand. Short of suing the company or something of that nature, I have no chance of affecting it. You _do_ have a chance, exactly as per Ben's advice. There is one option among Ben's suggestions that doesn't amount to "complain": > * Switch to a different mail service, one which does not add that > nonsense to your email. This amounts to "subvert". Now, if it's dead simple for you to remove the disclaimer, the ball lands in the court of those wanting it on all outgoing emails: they can either complain at you for omitting it, or decide that it's not worth it. Again, this is a marked improvement; and if you're bothered by the difficulty of changing a large and bureaucratic organization, it's probably the easiest solution. ChrisA This email is overconfident and may be subject to grammar. If you are not the intended sender, please do not confuse yourself for me but contact the recipient immediately to report that you have lost your marbles. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
RE: What you can do about legalese nonsense on email (was: How to split value where is comma ?)
On Thursday September 8 2016 17:17, in comp.lang.python, "Joaquin Alzola" wrote: > Hi Ben > > Thanks for the advice. > >> * Complain > > Basically what all comes down is to complain. I wonder if in a company of > 80,000 people I will manage to change that behaviour. Why don't you, at least, include a "signature" line at the end of /your/ text. That way, the automatically-added "confidentiality clause" will end up appended to the signature. Since many news readers discard or suppress display of the signature, the "confidentiality clause" won't be as much of an issue. > This email is > confidential and may be subject to privilege. If you are not the intended > recipient, please do not copy or disclose its content but contact the sender > immediately upon receipt. A signature begins with a line consisting only of two hyphens followed by a space. Any lines that follow that line are considered to be part of the signature. -- Lew Pitcher "In Skills, We Trust" PGP public key available upon request -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: What you can do about legalese nonsense on email (was: How to split value where is comma ?)
On 2016-09-08, Joaquin Alzola wrote: > Basically what all comes down is to complain. I wonder if in a > company of 80,000 people I will manage to change that behaviour. Perhaps others have complained. If enough people complain, maybe they'll do something. After all, that boilerplate just makes the corporation look stupid and incompetent. Any email that leaves the corporate network must be assumed to be visible to world+dog. Anybody who thinks differently is deluded and should not be allowed access to information that is "confidential and subject to privledge". But, I'm sure there's a lawyer somewhere who's trying to cover his ass regardless of how foolish it looks... > This email is confidential and may be subject to privilege. If you > are not the intended recipient, please do not copy or disclose its > content but contact the sender immediately upon receipt. -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwardsYow! I'm pretending that at we're all watching PHIL gmail.comSILVERS instead of RICARDO MONTALBAN! -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: What you can do about legalese nonsense on email (was: How to split value where is comma ?)
On Thu, Sep 8, 2016, at 18:13, Grant Edwards wrote: > After all, that boilerplate just makes the corporation look stupid and > incompetent. Any email that leaves the corporate network must be > assumed to be visible to world+dog. Anybody who thinks differently is > deluded and should not be allowed access to information that is > "confidential and subject to privledge". If every lawyer in the world benefits from the interpretation that this sort of notice is legally effective (since tomorrow it may be they who accidentaly send privileged information), who will argue in court that it's not? The reality is more complex, and it appears that it may only apply if the accidental recipient is a lawyer. I really can't say for sure, since _I'm_ not a lawyer, but posted without further comment: http://apps.americanbar.org/litigation/committees/technology/articles/winter2013-0213-do-email-disclaimers-really-work.html -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: What you can do about legalese nonsense on email (was: How to split value where is comma ?)
On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 11:05 AM, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote: > I suspect, like the last two companies I've worked for -- corporate IT > policy is to block any access to non-corporate email systems. (Heck, my > current company is so paranoid that it adds "EXT:" to the subject of > incoming emails that did not originate from another employee! > > I haven't checked to see if GMAIL on a Samsung tablet can get through > if using the corporate "guest" WiFi system. Pretty sure if I tether to my > Blackberry phone it would work. The most common way to access Gmail is HTTP, so it would be difficult to mess with the emails as they go through. (You could block it, I guess, but it'd have to be some sort of IP address blacklist - you can't just say "no access to port 25 or 110".) And yes, if you tether to your phone, you should get past the problems. That might be a _little_ inconvenient though. ChrisA -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: What you can do about legalese nonsense on email (was: How to split value where is comma ?)
Grant Edwards writes: > On 2016-09-08, Joaquin Alzola wrote: > >> Basically what all comes down is to complain. I wonder if in a >> company of 80,000 people I will manage to change that behaviour. > > Perhaps others have complained. If enough people complain, maybe > they'll do something. > > After all, that boilerplate just makes the corporation look stupid and > incompetent. Any email that leaves the corporate network must be > assumed to be visible to world+dog. Anybody who thinks differently is > deluded and should not be allowed access to information that is > "confidential and subject to privledge". I read Lebara's "Vision" and "Mission" and I remember that whenever Lebara says anything, they end it with that rude disclaimer. I don't want to get in touch with Lebara. That's how stupid it is. > But, I'm sure there's a lawyer somewhere who's trying to cover his > ass regardless of how foolish it looks... As if Lebara's real mission is to cover their lawyers' asses. >> This email is confidential and may be subject to privilege. If you >> are not the intended recipient, please do not copy or disclose its >> content but contact the sender immediately upon receipt. Spammers should use a disclaimer like that. Then people would not dare to delete the spam without first confirming to the spammer that they read their spam. Or not. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: What you can do about legalese nonsense on email (was: How to split value where is comma ?)
On Friday, September 9, 2016 at 2:37:48 AM UTC+5:30, Ben Finney wrote: > Joaquin Alzola writes: > > Added by the MTA of the company not by my client. > > Right. So, here are things you can do (that we cannot) about this: > * Switch to a different mail service, one which does not add that > nonsense to your email. Here is a recent action of google that has received at the moment 337,048 petitions: https://www.change.org/p/google-inc-google-put-palestine-on-your-maps Do you believe that Google is more ethical than Lebara? Ok you didn't suggest to use gmail (ie google) specifically So what do you suggest to people (like myself) who’s primary email is gmail and are incensed with such actions?? -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: What you can do about legalese nonsense on email (was: How to split value where is comma ?)
On Fri, 9 Sep 2016 04:59 pm, Rustom Mody wrote: > On Friday, September 9, 2016 at 2:37:48 AM UTC+5:30, Ben Finney wrote: >> Joaquin Alzola writes: >> > Added by the MTA of the company not by my client. >> >> Right. So, here are things you can do (that we cannot) about this: >> * Switch to a different mail service, one which does not add that >> nonsense to your email. > > Here is a recent action of google that has received at the moment 337,048 > petitions: > https://www.change.org/p/google-inc-google-put-palestine-on-your-maps > > Do you believe that Google is more ethical than Lebara? Hell no! http://img0.joyreactor.com/pics/post/comics-google-facebook-245504.jpeg But in this specific case, Google is not entirely in the wrong re Palestine. It *is* a disputed area, and Google cannot satisfy everyone no matter what they do. If you search for "Palestine" in Google Maps, you get a map which (at least in Australia) clearly shows the West Bank and Gaza Strip as disputed territories: https://www.google.com.au/maps/place/Palestine/ More here: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/aug/10/google-maps-accused-remove-palestine http://opennews.kzhu.io/map-disputes/?_ga=1.48243875.420098949.1397702661 > Ok you didn't suggest to use gmail (ie google) specifically > > So what do you suggest to people (like myself) who’s primary email is > gmail and are incensed with such actions?? Whatever you do, don't use Yahoo Mail or AOL unless there is *absolutely* no other alternative. They are actively hostile to mailing lists and even worse for good email practice than Gmail. I don't know about others, but most ISPs in Australia offer at least one email address per customer. So although there aren't many *great* alternatives to Gmail, there are some good and so-so alternatives: * run your own mail server (easy enough that I can do it) * your work or school email * your ISP email * Outlook.Com (Hotmail) -- Steve “Cheer up,” they said, “things could be worse.” So I cheered up, and sure enough, things got worse. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: What you can do about legalese nonsense on email (was: How to split value where is comma ?)
On Thu, 08 Sep 2016 18:27:44 -0400 Random832 wrote: > If every lawyer in the world benefits from the interpretation that > this sort of notice is legally effective (since tomorrow it may be > they who accidentaly send privileged information), who will argue in > court that it's not? The reality is more complex, and it appears that > it may only apply if the accidental recipient is a lawyer. I really I often wonder if these automatic disclaimers actually remove any protection that they might have if they were used judiciously. If they had any validity wouldn't the fact that they are attached to every email, even ones obviously meant for the public, give someone an argument that they don't really apply? -- D'Arcy J.M. Cain System Administrator, Vex.Net http://www.Vex.Net/ IM:da...@vex.net VoIP: sip:da...@vex.net -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: What you can do about legalese nonsense on email (was: How to split value where is comma ?)
On 2016-09-08, Random832 wrote: > On Thu, Sep 8, 2016, at 18:13, Grant Edwards wrote: >> After all, that boilerplate just makes the corporation look stupid and >> incompetent. Any email that leaves the corporate network must be >> assumed to be visible to world+dog. Anybody who thinks differently is >> deluded and should not be allowed access to information that is >> "confidential and subject to privledge". > > If every lawyer in the world benefits from the interpretation that this > sort of notice is legally effective (since tomorrow it may be they who > accidentaly send privileged information), who will argue in court that > it's not? Anybody who benefits from it not being effective -- like the NYT reporter who broke a front page story based on a misdirected email (described in the article to which you linked). -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwardsYow! Is this sexual at intercourse yet?? Is it, gmail.comhuh, is it?? -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: What you can do about legalese nonsense on email (was: How to split value where is comma ?)
On Fri, 9 Sep 2016 08:13 am, Grant Edwards wrote: > After all, that boilerplate just makes the corporation look stupid and > incompetent. I wish that were true. Unfortunately, in the corporate world, it *doesn't* make them look stupid and incompetent. It makes them look conventional, careful, diligent and responsible, and depending on how it is worded, perhaps even a little scary: "We say that we care about the confidentiality of what we do. Don't mess with us, because we have a lawyer and aren't afraid to use it!" To a certain type of mindset, failure to include that boilerplate would look stupid and incompetent. Even if it is a legal bluff, it may discourage some people from misusing the email or forwarding it on, a bit like the legal equivalent of fake security cameras that look like the real thing but don't actually work. And I doubt it is being driven by lawyers, who surely know how dubious this is. Its not lawyers who insist on adding restraint of trade and non-compete clauses that they know won't stand up in court, and I doubt it is lawyers insisting on this boiler plate. But then lawyers will also know that there's no (legal) harm done by including the message: within fairly broad limits, they can *say* anything they like. "If you are not the intended recipient, stop reading immediately and seek medical attention. If you read this email without approval, you will suffer a severe and irreversible brain embolism." And besides, I wouldn't be *entirely* sure that it is nothing but a bluff, particularly when wealthy corporations are involved. Privacy and confidentiality are intangibles where the result can depend on all sorts of factors, such as how deep the pockets of the plaintiff are, and whether the government of the day wants to defend or attack freedom of speech and/or privacy. Or even outright legal fraud, which is how we got corporations considered to be legal persons. -- Steve “Cheer up,” they said, “things could be worse.” So I cheered up, and sure enough, things got worse. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
