Re: Komodo - Will it Lock Me In?
Matt Trivisonno wrote: Hi Everybody, If I were to use Komodo to write in Python, would it add a lot of goo to my code such that I would not be able to switch to another IDE without having to claw my way out of a tarpit first? Any other thoughts on Komodo? I am considering it because I am hoping to find a solution to the install-packages-until-you-go-blind aspect of Python. Setting up a serious, cross-platform, gui development environment is quite a struggle for a newbie. I work myself currently with the Kommodo IDE (but have not done an thorough evaluation of the market before choosing it). The lock-in question would be solved, if Active State would go open-source with Kommodo. Even a partial open-source would solve this: If the project-management subsystems would go open-source, other IDE's could adopt them, ensuring a cohesive standard across the dynamic communities. - I have made a compact review of Active State, which will possibly give you some relevant information: http://lazaridis.com/samples/com/ActiveState/index.html Note that some things have changed since the review, which could simplify the process of going open source even more: Active State, a Division of Sophos has become ActiveState Software Inc. http://activestate.com/Corporate/Communications/Releases/Press1140209595.html . -- http://lazaridis.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Komodo - Will it Lock Me In?
Matt wrote: Peter Decker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You should take a look at Dabo, Yes, I have Dabo installed on my system. I made a small test app, but was unable to deploy it. I was getting an error from py2exe, I think, about how my wxPython installation was not correct. This is the kind of thing I am talking about. If Dabo were an integrated system, I wouldn't have to spend many days struggling to install package after package and then get them all to play nice with each other. Having said that, I will continue to struggle and like Dabo as the best option so far. Have you reported your problem on the py2exe mailing list ? Lots of people use py2exe with wxPython - so it should be possible to resolve. (To post to the py2exe mailing list, please incldue the full error message and a copy of the 'setup.py' you are using. This will help people diagnose the problem.) I have two other recommendations. 1) Look at SPE the editor - htttp://pythonide.stani.be It is open source and includes a GUI builder as well. It's a very nice editor. 2) For *deploying* applications you could consider Movable Python. You'll need to buy a license per *target* machine, but it's a full distribution of Python - so doesn't need the 'build' phase of deploying with py2exe. All the best, Fuzzyman http://www.voidspace.org.uk/python/index.shtml Thanks, Matt -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Komodo - Will it Lock Me In?
On 2/19/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I have Dabo installed on my system. I made a small test app, but was unable to deploy it. I was getting an error from py2exe, I think, about how my wxPython installation was not correct. This is the kind of thing I am talking about. If Dabo were an integrated system, I wouldn't have to spend many days struggling to install package after package and then get them all to play nice with each other. Dabo is an open source package written by two guys in their spare time. I'm not surprised that there might still be some loose ends, especially with integrating with external packages. Did you post a message to their list explaining the problem? Just last week someone found a problem building with py2exe, and Paul, one of the authors, identified the problem (py2exe wasn't 'finding' a library that it should have), and had a fix posted within a couple of hours. Having said that, I will continue to struggle and like Dabo as the best option so far. Good to hear! And don't struggle too much without posting a message about your problem on the Dabo lists, or on their issue tracker (http://dabodev.com/tracker). I've never worked with a more helpful team than with the Dabo folks. -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Komodo - Will it Lock Me In?
matt Any other thoughts on Komodo? If you code in any other languages (Perl, Ruby) or need to edit xml, html, php etc, Komodo will handle all of these for you with appropriate color coding, nested loops etc. rd www.dooling.com Matt wrote: Hi Everybody, If I were to use Komodo to write in Python, would it add a lot of goo to my code such that I would not be able to switch to another IDE without having to claw my way out of a tarpit first? Any other thoughts on Komodo? I am considering it because I am hoping to find a solution to the install-packages-until-you-go-blind aspect of Python. Setting up a serious, cross-platform, gui development environment is quite a struggle for a newbie. Thanks, Matt -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Komodo - Will it Lock Me In?
Matt Trivisonno napisał(a): Any other thoughts on Komodo? I am considering it because I am hoping to find a solution to the install-packages-until-you-go-blind aspect of Python. Setting up a serious, cross-platform, gui development environment is quite a struggle for a newbie. Komodo is nice and plays well with programmer, although it's still an editor with few additions, available elsewhere for free (i.e. in PyDev or even in advanced editors like jEdit or Kate). -- Jarek Zgoda http://jpa.berlios.de/ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Komodo - Will it Lock Me In?
Ravi Teja [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matt, in most cases, installing packages in Python is about as easy as it gets. Yes, it is easy, sort-of. I have installed many, many packages so far. My point is that with a polished IDE, you don't have to go through all of this. You download an installer, run it, start up the IDE and start writing code. There are many such RAD tools. I would like such a thing for Python. I've spent several days installing package after package, everything from Eclipse to py2app, and I still don't have a good development environment. It seems that one must be a Python expert before he can write his first simple hello-world app. My goal was to test out Python by writing a simple GUI app and then deploying it to Mac OS X and Windows XP. Using a product such as RealBasic, a totally green newbie could accomplish this in a few minutes.. So, I guess my main question is, is there such a RAD tool for Python? Thanks, Matt -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Komodo - Will it Lock Me In?
On 2/19/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My goal was to test out Python by writing a simple GUI app and then deploying it to Mac OS X and Windows XP. Using a product such as RealBasic, a totally green newbie could accomplish this in a few minutes.. So, I guess my main question is, is there such a RAD tool for Python? You should take a look at Dabo, especially the Visual Designer. You can create GUI applications visually in a matter of minutes without having to write any code at all. If you want the app to do interesting things, you can add as much code as you need to accomplish this. No need to become a Python expert. http://dabodev.com -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Komodo - Will it Lock Me In?
Trent Mick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps you are thinking of some of the C/C++ IDEs (like Visual Studio on Windows and Xcode on the Mac) Hi Trent, Ravi, Actually, I had two things in mind: 1) HTML editors - I made a website using Yahoo Sitebuilder. It's a pretty good tool, but I didn't want to use it any more, but could not simply open my HTML files with another editor. I had to spend many hours ripping out the Sitebuilder goo first. 2) RAD tools. If you write code in VisualBasic, you can't use hardly any of it in another Basic RAD tool such as RealBasic. They are ostensibly the same language, Basic, but in reality there is only a surface resemblance. I want to avoid this if I can with Python. I want to have my code, and then work on it with different tools. I don't want to have to commit to one tool, and then pray that the tool remains in existance. I was really pissed off when Microsoft killed Visual Basic 6, and I was stuck with a huge mound of now worthless code. I have to rewrite *all* of it. I never want to go through that again, which is why I am considering Python. Thanks, Matt -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Komodo - Will it Lock Me In?
Peter Decker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You should take a look at Dabo, Yes, I have Dabo installed on my system. I made a small test app, but was unable to deploy it. I was getting an error from py2exe, I think, about how my wxPython installation was not correct. This is the kind of thing I am talking about. If Dabo were an integrated system, I wouldn't have to spend many days struggling to install package after package and then get them all to play nice with each other. Having said that, I will continue to struggle and like Dabo as the best option so far. Thanks, Matt -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Komodo - Will it Lock Me In?
Le Fri, 17 Feb 2006 18:14:26 -0800, Trent Mick a écrit : Nope. Komodo adds no goo to your code (TM). TM's my name, not a trademark on Komodo adds no goo to your code -- but I'm thinking about it. :) +1 JOTW (Joke of the week) Cheers, Trent -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Komodo - Will it Lock Me In?
Hi Everybody, If I were to use Komodo to write in Python, would it add a lot of goo to my code such that I would not be able to switch to another IDE without having to claw my way out of a tarpit first? Any other thoughts on Komodo? I am considering it because I am hoping to find a solution to the install-packages-until-you-go-blind aspect of Python. Setting up a serious, cross-platform, gui development environment is quite a struggle for a newbie. Thanks, Matt -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Komodo - Will it Lock Me In?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote] Hi Everybody, If I were to use Komodo to write in Python, would it add a lot of goo to my code such that I would not be able to switch to another IDE without having to claw my way out of a tarpit first? Nope. Komodo adds no goo to your code (TM). TM's my name, not a trademark on Komodo adds no goo to your code -- but I'm thinking about it. :) Perhaps you are thinking of some of the C/C++ IDEs (like Visual Studio on Windows and Xcode on the Mac) that will help you setup of projects using their build systems that sometimes imply a number of standard files. Komodo doesn't mandate a build system. Any other thoughts on Komodo? I am considering it because I am hoping to find a solution to the install-packages-until-you-go-blind aspect of Python. Setting up a serious, cross-platform, gui development environment is quite a struggle for a newbie. Not sure about the install-packages-until-you-go-blind thing. Komodo doesn't help you install packages into your Python implementation. Nor does Komodo have front-ends to py2app or py2exe for wrapping up Python code into standalone executables. GUI development, however. Komodo's GUI Builder is intended to be a GUI designer for simple Tkinter-based UIs. It does mandate a certain style for your *GUI* code, but I believe that all GUI designers need to do this. Because I work on Komodo I am biased, so won't give you an opinion on it relative to other tools out there. Cheers, Trent -- Trent Mick [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Komodo - Will it Lock Me In?
Not sure about the install-packages-until-you-go-blind thing. Komodo doesn't help you install packages into your Python implementation. Nor I think he is confusing with Visual Package Manager. Matt, in most cases, installing packages in Python is about as easy as it gets. As a newbie, you should stick to binary packages at first. And installing is simple as clicking through an installer or typing python setup.py install in most cases. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
