Re: Newbie question about python garbage collection when keeping only a reference to an object's member
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Newbie question about python garbage collection when keeping only a reference to an object's member
My understanding is that any object which is not pointed to by any variable will be automatically deleted. What if I create a class object, but only keep a reference to one of its members, and not a reference to the object itself? What goes on internally in Python? Does Python retain the whole object, or does it just keep a copy of the referenced member? For example, if I have def myclass: def __init__(self): self.x = [1,2,3] self.y = [4,5,6] x = myclass().x This works, and I correctly get x = [1,2,3]. But what happened to the myclass() object initially created, and the member y? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Newbie question about python garbage collection when keeping only a reference to an object's member
On 11/12/10 4:03 PM, George Burdell wrote: My understanding is that any object which is not pointed to by any variable will be automatically deleted. What if I create a class object, but only keep a reference to one of its members, and not a reference to the object itself? What goes on internally in Python? Does Python retain the whole object, or does it just keep a copy of the referenced member? For example, if I have def myclass: def __init__(self): self.x = [1,2,3] self.y = [4,5,6] x = myclass().x This works, and I correctly get x = [1,2,3]. But what happened to the myclass() object initially created, and the member y? They get deleted. -- Robert Kern I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it had an underlying truth. -- Umberto Eco -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Newbie question about python garbage collection when keeping only a reference to an object's member
On 11/12/2010 2:03 PM, George Burdell wrote: My understanding is that any object which is not pointed to by any variable will be automatically deleted. What if I create a class object, but only keep a reference to one of its members, and not a reference to the object itself? What goes on internally in Python? Does Python retain the whole object, or does it just keep a copy of the referenced member? For example, if I have def myclass: def __init__(self): self.x = [1,2,3] self.y = [4,5,6] x = myclass().x This works, and I correctly get x = [1,2,3]. But what happened to the myclass() object initially created, and the member y? The myclass() call created a myclass instance (which contains a reference to a newly created list, which therefore has a refcount of 1). Attribute access to that instance then returns a second reference to the list, which is bound to the name x in the current local namespace (or the module global namespace if this is top-level code). The binding results in a reference count of two for the list. The instance, having no outstanding references, is then garbage-collected, which means that the objects referenced by its namespace have their reference counts decremented for each reference. So the destruction of the myclass instance reduces the reference count of the list [1, 2, 3] to one, and that of the list [4, 5, 6] to zero (which causes *it* to be garbage collected). And you are left with a local variable x that references a list whose current contents are [1, 2, 3]. Remember, the new values aren't created in local namespace. They are created in a shared area of memory (often referred to as the heap), so it's quite easy to keep objects alive that were created inside functions - just make sure you hold on to references outside the functions, and you are fine. regards Steve -- Steve Holden +1 571 484 6266 +1 800 494 3119 PyCon 2011 Atlanta March 9-17 http://us.pycon.org/ See Python Video! http://python.mirocommunity.org/ Holden Web LLC http://www.holdenweb.com/ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Newbie question about python garbage collection when keeping only a reference to an object's member
On 11/12/2010 2:03 PM George Burdell said... My understanding is that any object which is not pointed to by any variable will be automatically deleted. What if I create a class object, but only keep a reference to one of its members, and not a reference to the object itself? What goes on internally in Python? Does Python retain the whole object, or does it just keep a copy of the referenced member? For example, if I have def myclass: class myclass: def __init__(self): self.x = [1,2,3] self.y = [4,5,6] x = myclass().x This works, and I correctly get x = [1,2,3]. But what happened to the myclass() object initially created, and the member y? Garbage collect(ed|able) It only existed (was referenceable) while instantiated and can be gc'd one no longer referenced. Emile -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
