Re: OT: Meaning of "monkey"

2010-03-29 Thread Mensanator 
On Mar 29, 5:31 pm, Gib Bogle  wrote:
> I prefer to think of myself as a code-ape - I look down on code-monkeys.

Why? They have prehensile tails.
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Re: OT: Meaning of "monkey"

2010-03-29 Thread Gib Bogle 

I prefer to think of myself as a code-ape - I look down on code-monkeys.
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Re: OT: Meaning of "monkey"

2010-03-29 Thread Den 
On Mar 26, 6:14 am, Luis M. González  wrote:
> Webmonkey, Greasemonkey, monkey-patching, Tracemonkey, Jägermonkey,
> Spidermonkey, Mono (monkey in spanish), codemonkey, etc, etc, etc...
>
> Monkeys everywhere.
> Sorry for the off topic question, but what does "monkey" mean in a
> nerdy-geek context??
>
> Luis

To go even more off topic, I remember Trunk Monkey commercials.

Also, I remember a web site whose intentions was to simulate monkeys
typing Shakespeare.  They had set up a distributed system where you
could contribute your computer to providing random characters, which
they compared to a selected set of Shakespeare's plays.  Just before
the site disappeared (or I lost track of it), they had received
strings representing the first maybe 15 or 20 characters of several
plays.

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Re: OT: Meaning of "monkey"

2010-03-29 Thread Krister Svanlund 
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 3:09 PM, djc  wrote:
> Mensanator wrote:
>> On Mar 26, 2:44 pm, Phlip  wrote:
>>> On Mar 26, 6:14 am, Luis M. González  wrote:
>>>
 Webmonkey, Greasemonkey, monkey-patching, Tracemonkey, Jägermonkey,
 Spidermonkey, Mono (monkey in spanish), codemonkey, etc, etc, etc...
 Monkeys everywhere.
 Sorry for the off topic question, but what does "monkey" mean in a
 nerdy-geek context??
 Luis
>>> Better at typing than thinking.
>>
>> Really? I thought it was more of a reference to Eddington, i.e., given
>> enough time even a monkey can type out a program.
>
>
> Precisely, given infinite typing and zero thinking...
>
> Note also the expression 'talk to the organ  grinder not the monkey'
>
> and 'a trained monkey could do it'
>
> and then there are monkey wrenches, and monkey bikes...
>
> and never call the Librarian a monkey
>

The monkeys comes from different places... for example:
"The term monkey patch was first used as guerrilla patch, [...], which
was referred to as the patches engaging in battle with each other.
Since the word guerrilla and gorilla are near-homophones, people
started using the incorrect term gorilla patch instead of guerrilla
patch. When a developer then created a guerrilla patch they tried very
hard to avoid any battles that may ensue due to the patch and the term
monkey patch was coined to make the patch sound less forceful."

And then there is, as said, monkey wrenches which is utility tools.
Codemonkeys, i believe, comes from the infinite monkeys theory.
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Re: OT: Meaning of "monkey"

2010-03-29 Thread Bruno Desthuilliers 

djc a écrit :


and never call the Librarian a monkey


ook ?!?
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Re: OT: Meaning of "monkey"

2010-03-29 Thread djc 
Mensanator wrote:
> On Mar 26, 2:44 pm, Phlip  wrote:
>> On Mar 26, 6:14 am, Luis M. González  wrote:
>>
>>> Webmonkey, Greasemonkey, monkey-patching, Tracemonkey, Jägermonkey,
>>> Spidermonkey, Mono (monkey in spanish), codemonkey, etc, etc, etc...
>>> Monkeys everywhere.
>>> Sorry for the off topic question, but what does "monkey" mean in a
>>> nerdy-geek context??
>>> Luis
>> Better at typing than thinking.
> 
> Really? I thought it was more of a reference to Eddington, i.e., given
> enough time even a monkey can type out a program.


Precisely, given infinite typing and zero thinking...

Note also the expression 'talk to the organ  grinder not the monkey'

and 'a trained monkey could do it'

and then there are monkey wrenches, and monkey bikes...

and never call the Librarian a monkey


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Re: OT: Meaning of "monkey"

2010-03-26 Thread Emile van Sebille 

On 3/26/2010 1:18 PM Mensanator said...

On Mar 26, 2:44 pm, Phlip  wrote:

On Mar 26, 6:14 am, Luis M. González  wrote:


Webmonkey, Greasemonkey, monkey-patching, Tracemonkey, Jägermonkey,
Spidermonkey, Mono (monkey in spanish), codemonkey, etc, etc, etc...



Monkeys everywhere.
Sorry for the off topic question, but what does "monkey" mean in a
nerdy-geek context??



Luis


Better at typing than thinking.


Really? I thought it was more of a reference to Eddington, i.e., given
enough time even a monkey can type out a program.


I like the quote that went along the lines of 'here we are, and no we 
haven't'




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Re: OT: Meaning of "monkey"

2010-03-26 Thread Mensanator 
On Mar 26, 2:44 pm, Phlip  wrote:
> On Mar 26, 6:14 am, Luis M. González  wrote:
>
> > Webmonkey, Greasemonkey, monkey-patching, Tracemonkey, Jägermonkey,
> > Spidermonkey, Mono (monkey in spanish), codemonkey, etc, etc, etc...
>
> > Monkeys everywhere.
> > Sorry for the off topic question, but what does "monkey" mean in a
> > nerdy-geek context??
>
> > Luis
>
> Better at typing than thinking.

Really? I thought it was more of a reference to Eddington, i.e., given
enough time even a monkey can type out a program.
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Re: OT: Meaning of "monkey"

2010-03-26 Thread Phlip 
On Mar 26, 6:14 am, Luis M. González  wrote:
> Webmonkey, Greasemonkey, monkey-patching, Tracemonkey, Jägermonkey,
> Spidermonkey, Mono (monkey in spanish), codemonkey, etc, etc, etc...
>
> Monkeys everywhere.
> Sorry for the off topic question, but what does "monkey" mean in a
> nerdy-geek context??
>
> Luis

Better at typing than thinking.
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Re: OT: Meaning of "monkey"

2010-03-26 Thread Tim Wintle 
On Fri, 2010-03-26 at 12:08 -0400, Mel wrote:
> Somewhere on the Internet there's a particularly brilliant pop song
> called "Code Monkey".

http://www.jonathancoulton.com/2006/04/14/thing-a-week-29-code-monkey/

(he's linked to the mp3 from there)

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Re: OT: Meaning of "monkey"

2010-03-26 Thread Jon Clements 
On 26 Mar, 15:45, Grant Edwards  wrote:
> On 2010-03-26, Luis M  Gonz?lez  wrote:
>
> > Webmonkey, Greasemonkey, monkey-patching, Tracemonkey, J?germonkey,
> > Spidermonkey, Mono (monkey in spanish), codemonkey, etc, etc, etc...
>
> > Monkeys everywhere.
> > Sorry for the off topic question, but what does "monkey" mean in a
> > nerdy-geek context??
>
> In colloquial English, "-monkey" is a slang term for a
> person who does a particular job for a living.  For example "grease
> monkey" is a slang term for an auto mechanic.  A "code monkey" is
> somebody who writes code for a living.
>
> It can be slightly derogitory in some situations since it implies that
> the task is mechanical and repetitive and doesn't require a lot of
> creative thinking.
>
> However, it can be used among peers in an affectionate way.  One may
> refer to one's peer as "code monkey" without offense, but a manager
> could not refer to one of his employees as a "code monkey" without
> risking it being seen as an insult.
>
> Many people are accustomed to speaking anthopomorphically about
> computers and programs, so when somebody writes a program that does
> "foo", the name "foo monkey" seems natural for that program.
>
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Can I take the slight risk that actually it can also be (as you said
'affectionately') in a very positive sense. The same way "geek" or
"nerd" can be applied. I used to be called "Big Geek" from the last
company I worked for on PAYE, but that was a compliment. But, I've
heard my step-dad call someone a "Geek" which is derogatory.

No winning when you have language that can mean "bad" (in meaning
"wicked/very good/awesome" (and even 'wicked' means good sometimes -
as in enthusiasm for an idea)) or actually "bad/not good [add your own
synonyms]". All valid, but which is good/bad :)

Anyway, this' a group for Python, not English :)

Feel better for my rant :)


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Re: OT: Meaning of "monkey"

2010-03-26 Thread Mel 
Grant Edwards wrote:
> However, it can be used among peers in an affectionate way.  One may
> refer to one's peer as "code monkey" without offense, but a manager
> could not refer to one of his employees as a "code monkey" without
> risking it being seen as an insult.

Somewhere on the Internet there's a particularly brilliant pop song called 
"Code Monkey".

Mel.


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Re: OT: Meaning of "monkey"

2010-03-26 Thread Robert Kern 

On 2010-03-26 10:45 AM, Grant Edwards wrote:

On 2010-03-26, Luis M  Gonz?lez  wrote:

Webmonkey, Greasemonkey, monkey-patching, Tracemonkey, J?germonkey,
Spidermonkey, Mono (monkey in spanish), codemonkey, etc, etc, etc...

Monkeys everywhere.



Many people are accustomed to speaking anthopomorphically about


"simiomorphically"?

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Re: OT: Meaning of "monkey"

2010-03-26 Thread Grant Edwards 
On 2010-03-26, Luis M  Gonz?lez  wrote:
> Webmonkey, Greasemonkey, monkey-patching, Tracemonkey, J?germonkey,
> Spidermonkey, Mono (monkey in spanish), codemonkey, etc, etc, etc...
>
> Monkeys everywhere.
> Sorry for the off topic question, but what does "monkey" mean in a
> nerdy-geek context??

In colloquial English, "-monkey" is a slang term for a
person who does a particular job for a living.  For example "grease
monkey" is a slang term for an auto mechanic.  A "code monkey" is
somebody who writes code for a living.

It can be slightly derogitory in some situations since it implies that
the task is mechanical and repetitive and doesn't require a lot of
creative thinking.

However, it can be used among peers in an affectionate way.  One may
refer to one's peer as "code monkey" without offense, but a manager
could not refer to one of his employees as a "code monkey" without
risking it being seen as an insult.

Many people are accustomed to speaking anthopomorphically about
computers and programs, so when somebody writes a program that does
"foo", the name "foo monkey" seems natural for that program.

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Re: OT: Meaning of "monkey"

2010-03-26 Thread Robert Kern 

On 2010-03-26 08:14 AM, Luis M. González wrote:

Webmonkey, Greasemonkey, monkey-patching, Tracemonkey, Jägermonkey,
Spidermonkey, Mono (monkey in spanish), codemonkey, etc, etc, etc...

Monkeys everywhere.
Sorry for the off topic question, but what does "monkey" mean in a
nerdy-geek context??


Partly because "monkey" is just a funny word.

As for monkey-patching, it came from the Zope community:

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkey_patching

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Re: OT: Meaning of "monkey"

2010-03-26 Thread Shashwat Anand 
evolved monkey = human (can relate codemonkey to it)

2010/3/26 Kushal Kumaran

>

> 2010/3/26 Luis M. González :
> > Webmonkey, Greasemonkey, monkey-patching, Tracemonkey, Jägermonkey,
> > Spidermonkey, Mono (monkey in spanish), codemonkey, etc, etc, etc...
> >
> > Monkeys everywhere.
> > Sorry for the off topic question, but what does "monkey" mean in a
> > nerdy-geek context??
> >
>
> These might help you get the gist:
>
> http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/C/code-monkey.html
> http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/T/tape-monkey.html
>
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Re: OT: Meaning of "monkey"

2010-03-26 Thread Kushal Kumaran 
2010/3/26 Luis M. González :
> Webmonkey, Greasemonkey, monkey-patching, Tracemonkey, Jägermonkey,
> Spidermonkey, Mono (monkey in spanish), codemonkey, etc, etc, etc...
>
> Monkeys everywhere.
> Sorry for the off topic question, but what does "monkey" mean in a
> nerdy-geek context??
>

These might help you get the gist:

http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/C/code-monkey.html
http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/T/tape-monkey.html

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OT: Meaning of "monkey"

2010-03-26 Thread Luis M . González 
Webmonkey, Greasemonkey, monkey-patching, Tracemonkey, Jägermonkey,
Spidermonkey, Mono (monkey in spanish), codemonkey, etc, etc, etc...

Monkeys everywhere.
Sorry for the off topic question, but what does "monkey" mean in a
nerdy-geek context??

Luis
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