Re: Pseudocode in the wikipedia
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ivan Van Laningham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . . . 25 25 (_ | _) 25 There's clearly some interesting biometrics research to be done here, although there is a well-known ass-capturing attack based on readily commercially available machines from Xerox that might make it hard to make an ass-based identity system resistant to attacks. http://www.jacquelinestallone.com/rumps.html Metta, Ivan PS: I don't think this is an 0401 page; it's been there a while. . . . Welcome back, Ivan. Your follow-ups make one wonder about the span of related topics clp has been missing in your absence. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Pseudocode in the wikipedia
Hi All-- Cameron Laird wrote: Welcome back, Ivan. Your follow-ups make one wonder about the span of related topics clp has been missing in your absence. Thanks for the welcome. Absence was more a consequence of working for idiots for four years (at 60-80 hours/week) than anything else. Now that I'm not working I've got time to catch up on what's new in Python. Nice to see a few familiar faces, too. Metta, Ivan -- Ivan Van Laningham God N Locomotive Works http://www.andi-holmes.com/ http://www.foretec.com/python/workshops/1998-11/proceedings.html Army Signal Corps: Cu Chi, Class of '70 Author: Teach Yourself Python in 24 Hours -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Pseudocode in the wikipedia
The free wikipedia is adopting a standard pseudocode: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Wikicode/Specification MShonle says something nice: I support the idea of wikicode. Basically I think we should present code in a Python-like language that doesn't carry so much baggage. For example, we can use English sentences (or sentence fragments) instead of requiring the reader to understand some obscure Python library. (Further, Python has the baggage that there are no block-terminators: i.e., no } or ends or fis or repeats. By adding such terminators, we can make it a lot less ambiguous to all readers.) In otherwords, we're basically right on track: removing the quirks of Python, and making it higher-level. Bearophile -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Pseudocode in the wikipedia
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (Further, Python has the baggage that there are no block-terminators: i.e., no } or ends or fis or repeats. By adding such terminators, we can make it a lot less ambiguous to all readers.) In otherwords, we're basically right on track: removing the quirks of Python, and making it higher-level. Heh heh... good joke for April 1. Clearly, calling the absence of something baggage is intended to be humorous... -Peter -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Pseudocode in the wikipedia
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The free wikipedia is adopting a standard pseudocode: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Wikicode/Specification MShonle says something nice: Calling a feature 'baggage' is not especially nice. Neither is getting facts wrong. I support the idea of wikicode. Basically I think we should present code in a Python-like language that doesn't carry so much baggage. For example, we can use English sentences (or sentence fragments) instead of requiring the reader to understand some obscure Python library. (Further, Python has the baggage that there are no block-terminators: Python does too have block terminators. They are called dedents. In doing so it follows standard English outline formatting and the practice of many algorithm pseudocode writers. (I roughly estimate around half or more.) Two examples I have handy: Jon Bently in Programming Pearls and Steven Skiena in The Algorithm Design Manual. i.e., no } or ends or fis or repeats. So add #whateve-ender-you want, but leave the code executable if at all possible. By adding such terminators, we can make it a lot less ambiguous to all readers. Dedents are unambiguous. Be adding additional redundant terminators, one adds the possibility of mismatch and ambiguity. Terry J. Reedy -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Pseudocode in the wikipedia
Is anybody else bothered by those stupid pascal-like := assignment operators? Maybe, for the sake of adding more variety to the world, wiki should come up with a new assignment operator, like ==. I like that one because then it could really be original: if (bob = 4): bob == bob + 2 See how nice that looks? Then we could have people who are used to python and c and perl complaining that = is for comparison and == is for assignment. Then the wikilitests would say hey, man, part and parcel of being a programmer is getting assignment and comparison straight--and not making typos, you buffoon. But then the guys who have to program in a bunch of languages would point out how the wikilitests only psuedo code in wiki--so they would never even run the code they wrote. And then some understanding fellow would recommend a wiki precompiler to catch == inside of if statements, but then someone else would say that it would limit the expressiveness of wiki language: bob == (carol = 2): if bob = (bob or carol): bob == 4 But no one could figure out what bob was supposed to equal anyway. And then someone would say something about a Turing Machine, just to show that theoretically, the above code could be understood by something theoretical. James On Friday 01 April 2005 11:23 am, Terry Reedy wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The free wikipedia is adopting a standard pseudocode: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Wikicode/Specification -- James Stroud, Ph.D. UCLA-DOE Institute for Genomics and Proteomics Box 951570 Los Angeles, CA 90095 http://www.jamesstroud.com/ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Pseudocode in the wikipedia
On Apr 1, 2005 3:15 PM, James Stroud [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is anybody else bothered by those stupid pascal-like := assignment operators? I actually like them. I think that the = should be a comparison operator, not a silly ==. I think that comparisons using = are much clearer, especially since you often write many of them in a row, whereas you almost always make one assignment per line. I use := every day in PL/SQL, and it's one of the few positive syntactical features of the language. Peace Bill Mill bill.mill at gmail.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Pseudocode in the wikipedia
On Fri, 1 Apr 2005 12:15:35 -0800, James Stroud [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is anybody else bothered by those stupid pascal-like := assignment operators? Maybe, for the sake of adding more variety to the world, wiki should come up with a new assignment operator, like ==. I like that one because then it could really be original: if (bob = 4): bob == bob + 2 To me := could mean to create a copy of an object... or should it be =: ? Or how about :=) to mean is equal and :=( to mean it's not. Then there is ;=), to indicate 'True', and ':=O' to indicate 'False' -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Pseudocode in the wikipedia
Ron_Adam wrote: To me := could mean to create a copy of an object... or should it be =: ? Or how about :=) to mean is equal and :=( to mean it's not. Then there is ;=), to indicate 'True', and ':=O' to indicate 'False' Not to mention (_ | _) for asserts! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Pseudocode in the wikipedia
On Fri, 01 Apr 2005 16:02:53 -0500, Gabriel Cooper wrote: Ron_Adam wrote: To me := could mean to create a copy of an object... or should it be =: ? Or how about :=) to mean is equal and :=( to mean it's not. Then there is ;=), to indicate 'True', and ':=O' to indicate 'False' Not to mention (_ | _) for asserts! Your ass is your identity function. Python 2.3.5 (#1, Mar 3 2005, 17:32:12) [GCC 3.4.3 (Gentoo Linux 3.4.3, ssp-3.4.3-0, pie-8.7.6.6)] on linux2 Type help, copyright, credits or license for more information. 25 25 (_ | _) 25 There's clearly some interesting biometrics research to be done here, although there is a well-known ass-capturing attack based on readily commercially available machines from Xerox that might make it hard to make an ass-based identity system resistant to attacks. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Pseudocode in the wikipedia
Hi All-- Jeremy Bowers wrote: Your ass is your identity function. Python 2.3.5 (#1, Mar 3 2005, 17:32:12) [GCC 3.4.3 (Gentoo Linux 3.4.3, ssp-3.4.3-0, pie-8.7.6.6)] on linux2 Type help, copyright, credits or license for more information. 25 25 (_ | _) 25 There's clearly some interesting biometrics research to be done here, although there is a well-known ass-capturing attack based on readily commercially available machines from Xerox that might make it hard to make an ass-based identity system resistant to attacks. http://www.jacquelinestallone.com/rumps.html Metta, Ivan PS: I don't think this is an 0401 page; it's been there a while. -- Ivan Van Laningham God N Locomotive Works http://www.andi-holmes.com/ http://www.foretec.com/python/workshops/1998-11/proceedings.html Army Signal Corps: Cu Chi, Class of '70 Author: Teach Yourself Python in 24 Hours -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Pseudocode in the wikipedia
James Stroud wrote: bob == (carol = 2): if bob = (bob or carol): bob == 4 But no one could figure out what bob was supposed to equal anyway. Wouldn't bob equal the boolean result of the expression (carol = 2)? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
