Re: Python Imaging Library download link broken?
In message td22m.1717$8r@nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com, Tim Harig wrote: On 2009-06-29, Lawrence D'Oliveiro l...@geek-central.gen.new_zealand wrote: Sounds more like broken OS with no integrated package management. Package managers with dependency tracking were all the rage when I first started using Linux. So I tried Red Hat and everything worked great until the depency database corrupted itself. I have been using and administering various flavours of Linux--Red Hat, SuSE, Mandrake (before it was Mandriva), Gentoo, Debian, Ubuntu--over about the last decade, and I have NEVER seen this mythical dependency database corruption of which you speak. If you thought they were all the rage before, they're pretty much mandatory now. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python Imaging Library download link broken?
On 2009-06-30, Lawrence D'Oliveiro l...@geek-central.gen.new_zealand wrote: In message td22m.1717$8r@nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com, Tim Harig wrote: On 2009-06-29, Lawrence D'Oliveiro l...@geek-central.gen.new_zealand wrote: Sounds more like broken OS with no integrated package management. Package managers with dependency tracking were all the rage when I first started using Linux. So I tried Red Hat and everything worked great until the depency database corrupted itself. I have been using and administering various flavours of Linux--Red Hat, SuSE, Mandrake (before it was Mandriva), Gentoo, Debian, Ubuntu--over about the last decade, and I have NEVER seen this mythical dependency database corruption of which you speak. Its usually referred to as RPM hell (like DLL hell) although it can happen to DEB packages as well. You end up in a situation with cyclic dependencies where you cannot delete one application because it depends on a second but you cannot remove the second because it depends on the first. What can I say. It happens. It happened to me. If you thought they were all the rage before, they're pretty much mandatory now. I have been happy for years using my own heavily modified version of Slackware for installing the base system. After that, I install everything from source. Incidently, a similar discussion has started in a subthread of comp.unix.shell. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python Imaging Library download link broken?
On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 20:16:02 +1200, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: In message td22m.1717$8r@nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com, Tim Harig wrote: On 2009-06-29, Lawrence D'Oliveiro l...@geek-central.gen.new_zealand wrote: Sounds more like broken OS with no integrated package management. Package managers with dependency tracking were all the rage when I first started using Linux. So I tried Red Hat and everything worked great until the depency database corrupted itself. I have been using and administering various flavours of Linux--Red Hat, SuSE, Mandrake (before it was Mandriva), Gentoo, Debian, Ubuntu--over about the last decade, and I have NEVER seen this mythical dependency database corruption of which you speak. Really? I've seen it, or at least something that looks like it if you squint. In my experience, it can usually be fixed by: yum clean all on recent Redhat based systems. Worst case, there may be a lockfile that needs deleting as well. -- Steven -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python Imaging Library download link broken?
On 2009-06-30, Steven D'Aprano ste...@remove.this.cybersource.com.au wrote: On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 20:16:02 +1200, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: In message td22m.1717$8r@nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com, Tim Harig wrote: Package managers with dependency tracking were all the rage when I first started using Linux. So I tried Red Hat and everything worked great until the depency database corrupted itself. I have been using and administering various flavours of Linux--Red Hat, SuSE, Mandrake (before it was Mandriva), Gentoo, Debian, Ubuntu--over about the last decade, and I have NEVER seen this mythical dependency database corruption of which you speak. Really? I've seen it, or at least something that looks like it if you squint. In my experience, it can usually be fixed by: yum clean all Yum wasn't available then and I have never used it. Maybe it does a better job these days. I don't know. I get along fine without it. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python Imaging Library download link broken?
peter peter.mos...@talk21.com wrote: Just got a new computer and I'm trying to download my favourite applications. All's well until I get to PIL, and here pythonware and effbot both return a 502 Proxy error. Is this just a temporary glitch, or something more serious? And if it's the latter, is there any alternative source? Surprisingly, this appears to have been caused by the death of Michael Jackson. The burden of people sending messages, downloading videos, buying albums, etc., has crippled the Internet worldwide. ATT reported at its peak that there were more than 60,000 text messages PER SECOND being sent regarding Jackson. -- Tim Roberts, t...@probo.com Providenza Boekelheide, Inc. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python Imaging Library download link broken?
In message xgz1m.1934$wj7...@nlpi065.nbdc.sbc.com, Tim Harig wrote: On 2009-06-29, Lawrence D'Oliveiro l...@geek-central.gen.new_zealand wrote: apt-get install python-imaging, anybody? C:\apt-get install python-imaging Bad command or file name Sounds more like broken OS with no integrated package management. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python Imaging Library download link broken?
On 2009-06-29, Lawrence D'Oliveiro l...@geek-central.gen.new_zealand wrote: Sounds more like broken OS with no integrated package management. Package managers with dependency tracking were all the rage when I first started using Linux. So I tried Red Hat and everything worked great until the depency database corrupted itself. Since then, I have learned to install using whatever package manager but to upgrade or install new packages from source. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python Imaging Library download link broken?
Whilst this is an interesting discussion about installers, I'm still trying to find a copy of PIL. Any ideas? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python Imaging Library download link broken?
On 2009-06-29, peter peter.mos...@talk21.com wrote: Whilst this is an interesting discussion about installers, I'm still trying to find a copy of PIL. Any ideas? I alluded to a source version below. It will compile on Windows as well as on *nix. Google finds what looks like older versions here: http://sping.sourceforge.net/PIL/ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python Imaging Library download link broken?
On Jun 29, 2:54 pm, peter peter.mos...@talk21.com wrote: Whilst this is an interesting discussion about installers, I'm still trying to find a copy of PIL. Any ideas? Hello, I had the very same problem and found this: http://www.portablepython.com/ It contains PIL and some other cool stuff. Hope it helps. George -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python Imaging Library download link broken?
peter peter.mos...@talk21.com (p) wrote: p Whilst this is an interesting discussion about installers, I'm still p trying to find a copy of PIL. Any ideas? Pythonware is up again: http://pythonware.com/products/pil/index.htm -- Piet van Oostrum p...@cs.uu.nl URL: http://pietvanoostrum.com [PGP 8DAE142BE17999C4] Private email: p...@vanoostrum.org -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python Imaging Library download link broken?
On Mon Jun 29 2009 07:21:12 GMT-0400 (EDT) Lawrence D'Oliveiro l...@geek-central.gen.new_zealand typed: In message xgz1m.1934$wj7...@nlpi065.nbdc.sbc.com, Tim Harig wrote: On 2009-06-29, Lawrence D'Oliveiro l...@geek-central.gen.new_zealand wrote: apt-get install python-imaging, anybody? C:\apt-get install python-imaging Bad command or file name Sounds more like broken OS with no integrated package management. :-P It works here in the sense that it reports that there is nothing to do as it is already installed. ciao, f -- Hell, if you understood everything I say, you'd be me. -- Miles Davis -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python Imaging Library download link broken?
In message 976cc575-80b9-406a- ae4d-03cb4d401...@p36g2000prn.googlegroups.com, olivergeorge wrote: (and why PIL is such a pain to install for that matter.) apt-get install python-imaging, anybody? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Python Imaging Library download link broken?
Just got a new computer and I'm trying to download my favourite applications. All's well until I get to PIL, and here pythonware and effbot both return a 502 Proxy error. Is this just a temporary glitch, or something more serious? And if it's the latter, is there any alternative source? Peter -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python Imaging Library download link broken?
Ditto. Anyone know what's happening with pythonware? (and why PIL is such a pain to install for that matter.) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python Imaging Library download link broken?
olivergeorge wrote: Ditto. Anyone know what's happening with pythonware? (and why PIL is such a pain to install for that matter.) (1) It is usually there; be patient. (2) I suggest you demand a refund. --Scott David Daniels scott.dani...@acm.org -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
