Re: Python in a Nutshell -- Book vs Web
On Aug 29, 1:44 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Cameron Laird) wrote: > Insightful. Well, I find it insightful; perhaps it's > a personal blindness on my part. I expect programmers > to understand, for example, that two lines of code can > be a good day's production, in some circumstances My best days are the ones were I have a negative count of lines, i.e. I am able to remove cruft ;) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python in a Nutshell -- Book vs Web
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Fredrik Lundh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Cameron Laird wrote: > >> No. No, to an almost libelous extent. > >No matter what you write about, there's always a certain subcategory of >potential readers who insist that collection, editing, filtering, >structuring, clarification, and the author's real-life experience of the >topic he's writing about has no value at all. My guess is that they >don't value their own time very highly. > > > Insightful. Well, I find it insightful; perhaps it's a personal blindness on my part. I expect programmers to understand, for example, that two lines of code can be a good day's production, in some circumstances, while it's "civilians" and managers who scorn their value on quantitative grounds. It's hard for me to conceive of an expert programmer who doesn't esteem what a high-quality book provides. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python in a Nutshell -- Book vs Web
Cameron Laird wrote: No. No, to an almost libelous extent. No matter what you write about, there's always a certain subcategory of potential readers who insist that collection, editing, filtering, structuring, clarification, and the author's real-life experience of the topic he's writing about has no value at all. My guess is that they don't value their own time very highly. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python in a Nutshell -- Book vs Web
On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 7:58 PM, Cameron Laird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In article < > [EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > Matimus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >On Aug 28, 3:05 pm, "W. eWatson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I read an Amazon of Python in a Nutshell. The first edition is > supposedly > >> much like the web site. What web site? The second edition apparently > adds > >> more to the book than the web site. > > > >O'Reilly seems to just read all of the available documentation and > >regurgitate it in book form. The "in a nutshell" series being the > >worst offender. Most of "Python in a Nutshell" tells you the same > >information that you can find at http://docs.python.org, which is > >probably "the web site" being referenced. > > > >Matt > > No. No, to an almost libelous extent. > > As http://www.unixreview.com/documents/s=7822/ur0303j/ > > hints, the first edition of *PIAN* included abundant material > that was found nowhere else. Senior Tcl developers recognized > *PIAN*'s unique values to such an extent that they snapped up > the second edition quickly when it became available. It's > simply mistaken to characterize *PIAN* as merely a regurgitation > of the available documentation; in fact, while hewing to the > style of its series, it's among the most *original* and well- > crafted of books on Python. > > -- Pointing to an article that you wrote doesn't really prove your point. That being said, a quick google search finds plenty of reviews that agree with you. The most common criticism I saw was that the book is not suitable for beginners. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python in a Nutshell -- Book vs Web
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Matimus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On Aug 28, 3:05 pm, "W. eWatson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I read an Amazon of Python in a Nutshell. The first edition is supposedly >> much like the web site. What web site? The second edition apparently adds >> more to the book than the web site. > >O'Reilly seems to just read all of the available documentation and >regurgitate it in book form. The "in a nutshell" series being the >worst offender. Most of "Python in a Nutshell" tells you the same >information that you can find at http://docs.python.org, which is >probably "the web site" being referenced. > >Matt No. No, to an almost libelous extent. As http://www.unixreview.com/documents/s=7822/ur0303j/ > hints, the first edition of *PIAN* included abundant material that was found nowhere else. Senior Tcl developers recognized *PIAN*'s unique values to such an extent that they snapped up the second edition quickly when it became available. It's simply mistaken to characterize *PIAN* as merely a regurgitation of the available documentation; in fact, while hewing to the style of its series, it's among the most *original* and well- crafted of books on Python. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python in a Nutshell -- Book vs Web
On Aug 28, 3:05 pm, "W. eWatson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I read an Amazon of Python in a Nutshell. The first edition is supposedly > much like the web site. What web site? The second edition apparently adds > more to the book than the web site. O'Reilly seems to just read all of the available documentation and regurgitate it in book form. The "in a nutshell" series being the worst offender. Most of "Python in a Nutshell" tells you the same information that you can find at http://docs.python.org, which is probably "the web site" being referenced. Matt -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Python in a Nutshell -- Book vs Web
I read an Amazon of Python in a Nutshell. The first edition is supposedly much like the web site. What web site? The second edition apparently adds more to the book than the web site. -- Wayne Watson (Watson Adventures, Prop., Nevada City, CA) (121.015 Deg. W, 39.262 Deg. N) GMT-8 hr std. time) Obz Site: 39° 15' 7" N, 121° 2' 32" W, 2700 feet Web Page: -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
