Python spam?

2006-11-30 Thread Aahz
Anyone else getting "Python-related" spam?  So far, I've seen messages
"from" Barry Warsaw and Skip Montanaro (although of course header
analysis proves they didn't send it).
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Re: Python spam?

2006-11-30 Thread Thomas Heller
Aahz schrieb:
> Anyone else getting "Python-related" spam?  So far, I've seen messages
> "from" Barry Warsaw and Skip Montanaro (although of course header
> analysis proves they didn't send it).

I'm getting spam not only from Barry, but also from myself ;-) with forged 
headers.
But I'm not sure what you mean with Python-related...  Not the contents, IIRC.

Thomas

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Re: Python spam?

2006-11-30 Thread Aahz
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Thomas Heller  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Aahz schrieb:
>>
>> Anyone else getting "Python-related" spam?  So far, I've seen messages
>> "from" Barry Warsaw and Skip Montanaro (although of course header
>> analysis proves they didn't send it).
>
>I'm getting spam not only from Barry, but also from myself ;-) with
>forged headers.  But I'm not sure what you mean with Python-related...
>Not the contents, IIRC.

Thing is, I don't usually get spam "from" people I know (or at least it
gets filtered before I see it), so someone is clearly using some resource
of Python-related email addresses.  Just seems rather odd, and I wonder
whether it's some kind of DoS attack or what.
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Re: Python spam?

2006-11-30 Thread Tim Peters
[Aahz]
>>> Anyone else getting "Python-related" spam?  So far, I've seen messages
>>> "from" Barry Warsaw and Skip Montanaro (although of course header
>>> analysis proves they didn't send it).

[Thomas Heller]
>> I'm getting spam not only from Barry, but also from myself ;-) with
>> forged headers.  But I'm not sure what you mean with Python-related...
>> Not the contents, IIRC.

[Aahz[
> Thing is, I don't usually get spam "from" people I know (or at least it
> gets filtered before I see it), so someone is clearly using some resource
> of Python-related email addresses.  Just seems rather odd, and I wonder
> whether it's some kind of DoS attack or what.

It's been going on for years.  The most frequent forged "Python
related" sender address I've seen is actually [EMAIL PROTECTED],
followed (but not closely) by /F's [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Spammers
harvest legit addresses to forge via scraping web pages and via
Trojans scouring newbies' address books.  The latter probably accounts
for the very high rate of [EMAIL PROTECTED] forgeries.  Via the former,
anyone with a "public" email address can expect to see it get forged
sooner or later.

About two years ago I sent a polite email to a porn vendor asking them
to please stop forging one of my email addresses as the sender of
their spam.  They didn't reply, but within a few days I stopped
receiving porn spam claiming to come from me.  Frankly, I miss it :-)
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Re: Python spam?

2006-11-30 Thread Hendrik van Rooyen
"Aahz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Anyone else getting "Python-related" spam?  So far, I've seen messages
> "from" Barry Warsaw and Skip Montanaro (although of course header
> analysis proves they didn't send it).
> --

not like that - just the normal crud from people giving me get rich quick tips
on the stock market that is aimed at mobilising my money to follow theirs to
help influence the price of a share...

- Hendrik


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Re: Python spam?

2006-11-30 Thread Fredrik Lundh
Tim Peters wrote:

> It's been going on for years.  The most frequent forged "Python
> related" sender address I've seen is actually [EMAIL PROTECTED],
> followed (but not closely) by /F's [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Spammers
> harvest legit addresses to forge via scraping web pages and via
> Trojans scouring newbies' address books.

when you get this kind of "clustering" effect, chances are that
it's a trojan on someone's computer that's actually sending the mails, 
using mail addresses found on the infected computer (address books and 
browser caches are good sources for this).

(so in your cases, it's probably just some poor python-dev reader who 
hasn't updated his virus checker lately...)



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Re: Python spam?

2006-12-01 Thread skip

aahz> Anyone else getting "Python-related" spam?  So far, I've seen
aahz> messages "from" Barry Warsaw and Skip Montanaro (although of
aahz> course header analysis proves they didn't send it).

I blacklisted Barry long ago.  He's probably sending out spam in my name in
retaliation.  ;-)

Skip

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Re: Python spam?

2006-12-01 Thread Frederic Rentsch
Hendrik van Rooyen wrote:
> "Aahz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   
>> Anyone else getting "Python-related" spam?  So far, I've seen messages
>> "from" Barry Warsaw and Skip Montanaro (although of course header
>> analysis proves they didn't send it).
>> --
>> 
>
> not like that - just the normal crud from people giving me get rich quick tips
> on the stock market that is aimed at mobilising my money to follow theirs to
> help influence the price of a share...
>
> - Hendrik
>
>
>   
...which I noticed works amazingly well in many cases, looking at the 
charts. which, again, means that the trick isn't likely to fizzle out 
soon as others have with victims getting wise to it. Getting feathers 
plucked in this game isn't a turn-off. It's an opportunity to join the 
pluckers by speeding up one's turnover at the expense of the slowpokes. 
Like pyramid sales this it is a self-generating market.
   This game, at least, isn't unethical, other than clogging the 
internet with reckless traffic. I've been asking myself why it seems so 
difficult to backtrace such obtrusive, if not criminal, traffic to the 
source and squash it there. Perhaps some knowledgeable volunteer would 
share his insights. Perhaps stalking con artists could be another 
interest group.

Frederic



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Re: Python spam?

2006-12-04 Thread John Draper
Hendrik van Rooyen wrote:

>"Aahz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Anyone else getting "Python-related" spam?  So far, I've seen messages
>>"from" Barry Warsaw and Skip Montanaro (although of course header
>>analysis proves they didn't send it).
>>--
>>
>>
>
>not like that - just the normal crud from people giving me get rich quick tips
>on the stock market that is aimed at mobilising my money to follow theirs to
>help influence the price of a share...
>
>- Hendrik
>
>
>  
>
I'm ALWAYS getting python spam but what worries me, is the spammers
Know my personal home address, and I NEVER EVER fill out any forms pages
with my personal info - I think I'm being harrassed by hackers or 
something...

John
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Re: Python spam?

2006-12-04 Thread Gabriel Genellina

At Monday 4/12/2006 16:27, John Draper wrote:


I'm ALWAYS getting python spam but what worries me, is the spammers
Know my personal home address, and I NEVER EVER fill out any forms pages
with my personal info - I think I'm being harrassed by hackers or
something...


- UserA creates an account on SiteA. They ask for an email address 
for validation purposes, or perhaps they use that email address as 
login name, which is fine so one doesn't have to remember another 
login. So, UserA fills in his Hotmail/Yahoo/whatever email.
- UserA provides the *same* password on the site as used on his email 
address. Which is fine so one doesn't have to remember many passwords.
- Now, SiteA has full access to UserA's address book (and inbox, 
and... but usually they're not interested on that).


Notice that SiteA actually is not "hacking" UserA Hotmail account, 
nor is a virus involved, nothing is installed on UserA's PC, there is 
no vulnerability exploited on Hotmail's code, no 
antivirus/antispyware will help, nothing. It's just UserA silly 
enough to let others know his webmail password.


So if a friend of yours has played the role of UserA above, that's 
how some spammers got your email address.



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Re: Python spam?

2006-12-04 Thread Hendrik van Rooyen
 "Gabriel Genellina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

8<--

So if a friend of yours has played the role of UserA above, that's 
how some spammers got your email address.

+ 1 for euphemism of the month...

- Hendrik

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