Re: Python use growing fast
On Jan 10, 9:24 pm, Dan Stromberg wrote: > About JavaScript's popularity: > 1) I've been getting the impression that JavaScript is popular in a > manner similar to how x86 machine language is popular: That is, it's > used all over, but few people hand code it (though admittedly, there > are probably more people hand coding JavaScript than people hand > coding x86 assembler today) Exactly, another half baked language that has been shoved down our throats like artery clogging Big Macs and French Fries! Oh how many times i have lamented for Python's eloquent syntax whilst brain farting Javascript idiosyncrasies! >:( -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python use growing fast
On Jan 10, 1:43 pm, Alice Bevan–McGregor wrote: > On 2011-01-10 13:02:09 -0800, MRAB said: > > Wikipedia is a Wiki; everyone is free to contribute and correct mistakes. > > - Alice. Except for some of us. I tried to make a correction to a chemistry Wikipedia entry several months back. I received a message saying that a series of IP addresses which happen to include the one that my ISP assigned me had been blocked, due to hacking problems. Wikipedia provided a link to contact a real human being to request that an address be unblocked. I submitted a request, and -- nothing happened. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python use growing fast
In article , Alice BevanMcGregor wrote: > On 2011-01-10 19:49:47 -0800, Roy Smith said: > > > One of the surprising (to me, anyway) uses of JavaScript is as the > > scripting language for MongoDB (http://www.mongodb.org/). > > I just wish they'd drop spidermonkey and go with V8 or another, faster > and more modern engine. :( Could be. I've opened a few bugs against Mongo which were explained away as "it's really a bug in SM". -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python use growing fast
On 2011-01-10 19:49:47 -0800, Roy Smith said: One of the surprising (to me, anyway) uses of JavaScript is as the scripting language for MongoDB (http://www.mongodb.org/). I just wish they'd drop spidermonkey and go with V8 or another, faster and more modern engine. :( - Alice. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python use growing fast
On 2011-01-12, Terry Reedy wrote: > On 1/12/2011 9:51 AM, Colin J. Williams wrote: > >>> It shows an example of Python code, which happens to have 2 syntax >>> errors! >> >> Why not correct the Wikipedia entry? > > As I reported early, the errors, if any, are in .png and .svg images of > text, which would have to be replaced, not corrected. Would be good > since the imaged snippet is a haphazard except from a much larger file > and inane out of context. OK, but that answerws the question "what's wrong with it?", not "why not fix it?" -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwardsYow! Thousands of days of at civilians ... have produced gmail.coma ... feeling for the aesthetic modules -- -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python use growing fast
> As I reported early, the errors, if any, are in .png and .svg images of > text, which would have to be replaced, not corrected. Would be good > since the imaged snippet is a haphazard except from a much larger file > and inane out of context. I don't think it really is a big deal. I mean, this is merely an illustration for the syntax-highlighted python code. So the message isn't: "Go ahead and try it with your Python". It's rather "Look, you can have colorful highlighting of python code, isn't that cool?!" It actually presents the specific indentation of Python code and therefore it is mostly useful to someone who never used Python. And actually I wouldn't expect any Python programmer to look for feedback on Wikipedia. It's not that I have anything against Wikipedia -- on the contrary, I use it all the time. But remember that it's an encyclopedia not a Python manual. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python use growing fast
On 1/12/2011 9:51 AM, Colin J. Williams wrote: It shows an example of Python code, which happens to have 2 syntax errors! Why not correct the Wikipedia entry? As I reported early, the errors, if any, are in .png and .svg images of text, which would have to be replaced, not corrected. Would be good since the imaged snippet is a haphazard except from a much larger file and inane out of context. -- Terry Jan Reedy -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python use growing fast
On 10-Jan-11 16:02 PM, MRAB wrote: On 10/01/2011 20:29, Dan Stromberg wrote: I invite folks to check out Tiobe's Language Popularity Rankings: http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html The gist is: Python grew faster than any other programming language over the last year, according to this (slightly arbitrary, but better than no indicator) ranking. ...despite our wikipedia page whose first paragraph almost seems like it was written with the intention of scaring off new converts, with its "unusual" comment: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Python_%28programming_language%29 (Like it or not, people do frequently confuse the descriptive for the normative) It shows an example of Python code, which happens to have 2 syntax errors! Why not correct the Wikipedia entry? Colin W. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python use growing fast
On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 6:38 PM, Sachin Kumar Sharma wrote: > Since this discussion is going on about the popularity of a programming > language. > > I would like to know views regarding the best language for scientific > programming especially in terms of user friendliness, resources available, > graphics and robustness to handle large numerical and simulation problems. > > Thanks & regards > > Sachin > > > Sachin Kumar Sharma > Senior Geomodeler > > According to this article ... http://neopythonic.blogspot.com/2009/11/python-in-scientific-world.html ... the answer is python. Josh Benner -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
RE: Python use growing fast
Since this discussion is going on about the popularity of a programming language. I would like to know views regarding the best language for scientific programming especially in terms of user friendliness, resources available, graphics and robustness to handle large numerical and simulation problems. Thanks & regards Sachin Sachin Kumar Sharma Senior Geomodeler -Original Message- From: python-list-bounces+ssharma84=slb@python.org [mailto:python-list-bounces+ssharma84=slb@python.org] On Behalf Of Octavian Rasnita Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 3:38 PM To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: Python use growing fast From: "Gerry Reno" > On 01/10/2011 08:31 PM, Katie T wrote: >> On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 10:29 PM, John Nagle wrote: >> >>> On 1/10/2011 1:02 PM, MRAB wrote: >>> >>>> On 10/01/2011 20:29, Dan Stromberg wrote: >>>> >>>>> I invite folks to check out Tiobe's Language Popularity Rankings: >>>>> >>>>> http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html >>>>> >>> That's somehow derived from web searches, not from any real data >>> source. Look how far down JavaScript is. >>> >> Any measure is arbitrary and subject to biases, what methodology would >> you prefer ? >> >> >> Katie >> > > Measuring the "Buzz" about a language is actually a pretty good way to > gauge its popularity. Well, not exactly. C and C++ are older than many other languages and probably many of the web pages that contain "programming C" are very old and don't reflect their current popularity. On the other hand, newer languages are more attractive for book publishers because they can sell more books about Ruby than about C, because for C there are already very many books written so there is a bigger intrest to promote the newer languages, not just because they are better, but because there are interests involved. Talking about interests, Java and DotNet are more popular than many other languages, but we all know why, and we also know why PHP has such a big success although it is a bad language, as we all know why Window has a bigger success than other operating systems... so the popularity contest is good, but for something else than we want to prove. A programming language popularity contest is like a beauty contest for finding the most intelligent girl. Octavian -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python use growing fast
From: "Gerry Reno" On 01/10/2011 08:31 PM, Katie T wrote: On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 10:29 PM, John Nagle wrote: On 1/10/2011 1:02 PM, MRAB wrote: On 10/01/2011 20:29, Dan Stromberg wrote: I invite folks to check out Tiobe's Language Popularity Rankings: http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html That's somehow derived from web searches, not from any real data source. Look how far down JavaScript is. Any measure is arbitrary and subject to biases, what methodology would you prefer ? Katie Measuring the "Buzz" about a language is actually a pretty good way to gauge its popularity. Well, not exactly. C and C++ are older than many other languages and probably many of the web pages that contain "programming C" are very old and don't reflect their current popularity. On the other hand, newer languages are more attractive for book publishers because they can sell more books about Ruby than about C, because for C there are already very many books written so there is a bigger intrest to promote the newer languages, not just because they are better, but because there are interests involved. Talking about interests, Java and DotNet are more popular than many other languages, but we all know why, and we also know why PHP has such a big success although it is a bad language, as we all know why Window has a bigger success than other operating systems... so the popularity contest is good, but for something else than we want to prove. A programming language popularity contest is like a beauty contest for finding the most intelligent girl. Octavian -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python use growing fast
In article , Dan Stromberg wrote: > About JavaScript's popularity: > 1) I've been getting the impression that JavaScript is popular in a > manner similar to how x86 machine language is popular: That is, it's > used all over, but few people hand code it (though admittedly, there > are probably more people hand coding JavaScript than people hand > coding x86 assembler today) One of the surprising (to me, anyway) uses of JavaScript is as the scripting language for MongoDB (http://www.mongodb.org/). -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python use growing fast
On 01/10/2011 10:24 PM, Dan Stromberg wrote: > On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 5:22 PM, Krzysztof Bieniasz > wrote: >>> Also depends on how one defines "popularity" in the context of >>> programming languages. >> >> Tiobe quite clearly states what they mean by the name "popularity". >> Namely the number of Google search results of expressions like >> "programming X" for X in languages. If no one in the Web writes about >> programming JavaScript then obviously it's not popular... sort of. >> -- >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list >> > > About JavaScript's popularity: > 1) I've been getting the impression that JavaScript is popular in a > manner similar to how x86 machine language is popular: That is, it's > used all over, but few people hand code it (though admittedly, there > are probably more people hand coding JavaScript than people hand > coding x86 assembler today) > 2) JavaScript seems widely considered a bit of a mess, and yet, many > tools make use of it because it's in almost all web browsers > 3) It seems that when JavaScript does get used directly, it tends to > be done in small snippets, like inline assembler in C or C++ > 4) It appears that there is quite a few different tools (one of them, > our own Pyjamas, and to a lesser extent, Django - and of course GWT > though that's only tenuously related to Python through Pyjamas) that > attempt to take the pain out of writing JavaScript > > IOW, I'm not convinced that Tiobe's ranking of JavaScript is > inaccurate, or even weakly correlated with reality. The biggest use of JavaScript I've seen is browser-based games using them for some display magic, windows popping up etc. Their back-end is still VB.NET (or x framework), and none of the lifting is done by JavaScript. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python use growing fast
On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 5:22 PM, Krzysztof Bieniasz wrote: >> Also depends on how one defines "popularity" in the context of >> programming languages. > > Tiobe quite clearly states what they mean by the name "popularity". > Namely the number of Google search results of expressions like > "programming X" for X in languages. If no one in the Web writes about > programming JavaScript then obviously it's not popular... sort of. > -- > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list > About JavaScript's popularity: 1) I've been getting the impression that JavaScript is popular in a manner similar to how x86 machine language is popular: That is, it's used all over, but few people hand code it (though admittedly, there are probably more people hand coding JavaScript than people hand coding x86 assembler today) 2) JavaScript seems widely considered a bit of a mess, and yet, many tools make use of it because it's in almost all web browsers 3) It seems that when JavaScript does get used directly, it tends to be done in small snippets, like inline assembler in C or C++ 4) It appears that there is quite a few different tools (one of them, our own Pyjamas, and to a lesser extent, Django - and of course GWT though that's only tenuously related to Python through Pyjamas) that attempt to take the pain out of writing JavaScript IOW, I'm not convinced that Tiobe's ranking of JavaScript is inaccurate, or even weakly correlated with reality. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python use growing fast
On 01/10/2011 08:31 PM, Katie T wrote: > On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 10:29 PM, John Nagle wrote: > >> On 1/10/2011 1:02 PM, MRAB wrote: >> >>> On 10/01/2011 20:29, Dan Stromberg wrote: >>> I invite folks to check out Tiobe's Language Popularity Rankings: http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html >> That's somehow derived from web searches, not from any real data >> source. Look how far down JavaScript is. >> > Any measure is arbitrary and subject to biases, what methodology would > you prefer ? > > > Katie > Measuring the "Buzz" about a language is actually a pretty good way to gauge its popularity. . -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python use growing fast
On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 10:29 PM, John Nagle wrote: > On 1/10/2011 1:02 PM, MRAB wrote: >> >> On 10/01/2011 20:29, Dan Stromberg wrote: >>> >>> I invite folks to check out Tiobe's Language Popularity Rankings: >>> >>> http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html > > That's somehow derived from web searches, not from any real data > source. Look how far down JavaScript is. Any measure is arbitrary and subject to biases, what methodology would you prefer ? Katie -- CoderStack http://www.coderstack.co.uk/python-jobs The Software Developer Job Board -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python use growing fast
> Also depends on how one defines "popularity" in the context of > programming languages. Tiobe quite clearly states what they mean by the name "popularity". Namely the number of Google search results of expressions like "programming X" for X in languages. If no one in the Web writes about programming JavaScript then obviously it's not popular... sort of. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python use growing fast
On 1/10/2011 4:43 PM, Alice Bevan–McGregor wrote: It shows an example of Python code, which happens to have 2 syntax errors! Wikipedia is a Wiki; everyone is free to contribute and correct mistakes. The errors, if there, are in .png and .svg images of a random, unrunnable snippet that will disappear in a week (at least the .png) due to lack of copyright release. A complete example that runs, pulled from the tutorial, would be good. I have no idea how to produce those types of images from code. -- Terry Jan Reedy -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python use growing fast
On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 2:29 PM, John Nagle wrote: > On 1/10/2011 1:02 PM, MRAB wrote: >> >> On 10/01/2011 20:29, Dan Stromberg wrote: >>> >>> I invite folks to check out Tiobe's Language Popularity Rankings: >>> >>> http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html > > That's somehow derived from web searches, not from any real data > source. Look how far down JavaScript is. Please define "real data source", and give examples... ^_^ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python use growing fast
On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 2:29 PM, John Nagle wrote: > On 1/10/2011 1:02 PM, MRAB wrote: >> >> On 10/01/2011 20:29, Dan Stromberg wrote: >>> >>> I invite folks to check out Tiobe's Language Popularity Rankings: >>> >>> http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html > > That's somehow derived from web searches, not from any real data > source. Look how far down JavaScript is. Also depends on how one defines "popularity" in the context of programming languages. Cheers, Chris -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python use growing fast
On 1/10/2011 1:02 PM, MRAB wrote: On 10/01/2011 20:29, Dan Stromberg wrote: I invite folks to check out Tiobe's Language Popularity Rankings: http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html That's somehow derived from web searches, not from any real data source. Look how far down JavaScript is. John Nagle -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python use growing fast
> I invite folks to check out Tiobe's Language Popularity Rankings: > > http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html > > The gist is: Python grew faster than any other programming language over > the last year, according to this (slightly arbitrary, but better than no > indicator) ranking. And look at the Hall of Fame. Python is the first language to win the popularity award twice. Although the statistical population isn't really extensive... -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python use growing fast
On 2011-01-10 13:02:09 -0800, MRAB said: On 10/01/2011 20:29, Dan Stromberg wrote: ...despite our wikipedia page whose first paragraph almost seems like it was written with the intention of scaring off new converts, with its "unusual" comment... Indentation as a syntatitical structure is not actually unusual in any way as was recently discussed in another thread (having difficulty finding it). It shows an example of Python code, which happens to have 2 syntax errors! Wikipedia is a Wiki; everyone is free to contribute and correct mistakes. - Alice. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python use growing fast
On 10/01/2011 20:29, Dan Stromberg wrote: I invite folks to check out Tiobe's Language Popularity Rankings: http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html The gist is: Python grew faster than any other programming language over the last year, according to this (slightly arbitrary, but better than no indicator) ranking. ...despite our wikipedia page whose first paragraph almost seems like it was written with the intention of scaring off new converts, with its "unusual" comment: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Python_%28programming_language%29 (Like it or not, people do frequently confuse the descriptive for the normative) It shows an example of Python code, which happens to have 2 syntax errors! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Python use growing fast
I invite folks to check out Tiobe's Language Popularity Rankings: http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html The gist is: Python grew faster than any other programming language over the last year, according to this (slightly arbitrary, but better than no indicator) ranking. ...despite our wikipedia page whose first paragraph almost seems like it was written with the intention of scaring off new converts, with its "unusual" comment: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Python_%28programming_language%29 (Like it or not, people do frequently confuse the descriptive for the normative) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
