QOTW! (was: NLTK)
On 08Aug2018 21:03, ma...@mail.com wrote: [...] It seems that I do not really need NLTK. split() will do me. [...] +1 QOTW Cheers, Cameron Simpson -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
+1 QOTW...
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QOTW [was Re: Attack a sacred Python Cow]
On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 21:42:37 -0700, Russ P. wrote: +1 QOTW Do you realize what an insult that is to everyone else who has posted here in the past week? Actually I don't. I hadn't realised that when a person believes that somebody has made an especially clever, witty, insightful or fun remark, that's actually a put-down of all the other people whose remarks weren't quite as clever, witty, insightful or fun. But now that I've had this pointed out to me, why, I see insults everywhere! Tonight, my wife said to me that she liked my new shirt, so I replied What's the matter, you think my trousers are ugly? -- Steven -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: QOTW [was Re: Attack a sacred Python Cow]
On 28 Jul 2008 14:07:44 GMT, Steven D'Aprano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 21:42:37 -0700, Russ P. wrote: +1 QOTW Do you realize what an insult that is to everyone else who has posted here in the past week? Actually I don't. I hadn't realised that when a person believes that somebody has made an especially clever, witty, insightful or fun remark, that's actually a put-down of all the other people whose remarks weren't quite as clever, witty, insightful or fun. But now that I've had this pointed out to me, why, I see insults everywhere! Tonight, my wife said to me that she liked my new shirt, so I replied What's the matter, you think my trousers are ugly? -- Steven It is difficult to not offend the insult-sensitive. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: QOTW [was Re: Attack a sacred Python Cow]
On Jul 28, 9:07 am, Steven D'Aprano [EMAIL PROTECTED] cybersource.com.au wrote: On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 21:42:37 -0700, Russ P. wrote: +1 QOTW Do you realize what an insult that is to everyone else who has posted here in the past week? Actually I don't. I hadn't realised that when a person believes that somebody has made an especially clever, witty, insightful or fun remark, that's actually a put-down of all the other people whose remarks weren't quite as clever, witty, insightful or fun. But now that I've had this pointed out to me, why, I see insults everywhere! Tonight, my wife said to me that she liked my new shirt, so I replied What's the matter, you think my trousers are ugly? -- Steven No insult was intended. The writer stated that where Java minimizes bad, Python maximizes good. This is a non-trivial truth, and a non- trivial observation. Also, clever. I agreed and said so, and compliments go a long way. Do you? everywhere! Tonight, my wife said to me that she liked my new shirt, so I replied What's the matter, you think my trousers are ugly? Arf, arf. -- For my special power, I want immunity to insults. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: QOTW [was Re: Attack a sacred Python Cow]
On Jul 28, 7:07 am, Steven D'Aprano [EMAIL PROTECTED] cybersource.com.au wrote: On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 21:42:37 -0700, Russ P. wrote: +1 QOTW Do you realize what an insult that is to everyone else who has posted here in the past week? Actually I don't. I hadn't realised that when a person believes that somebody has made an especially clever, witty, insightful or fun remark, that's actually a put-down of all the other people whose remarks weren't quite as clever, witty, insightful or fun. But now that I've had this pointed out to me, why, I see insults everywhere! Tonight, my wife said to me that she liked my new shirt, so I replied What's the matter, you think my trousers are ugly? -- Steven That would all be true if the comment that was called QOTW was indeed clever or, for that matter, true. It was neither. The idea that Python does not try to discourage bad programming practice is just plain wrong. Ask yourself why Python doesn't allow assignment within a conditional test (if x = 0), for example. Or, why it doesn't allow i++ or ++i? I'll leave it as an exercise for the reader to give more examples. Also, the whole idea of using indentation to define the logical structure of the code is really a way to ensure that the indentation structure is consistent with the logical structure. Now, is that a way to encourage good practice, or is it a way to discourage bad practice? The notion that the two concepts are very different (as the QOTW claimed) is just plain nonsense. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
QOTW
D'Arcy J.M. Cain wrote: Yes! One of the biggest advantages to unit testing is that you never ever deliver the same bug to the client twice. Delivering software with a bug is bad but delivering it with the same bug after it was reported and fixed is calamitous. QOTW for sure. --Scott David Daniels [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: QOTW: Re: dream hardware
On Feb 16, 2:59 pm, Jeff Schwab [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Carl Banks wrote: On Feb 16, 1:39 pm, Jeff Schwab [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aahz wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jeff Schwab [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 14, 10:50 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Aahz) wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Steven D'Aprano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 10:05:59 -0800, castironpi wrote: What is dream hardware for the Python interpreter? I'm not sure that the Python interpreter actually does dream, but if it's anything like me, it's probably a giant computer the size of a bus, made out of broccoli and oven-roasted garlic, that suddenly turns into Sylvester Stallone in a tutu just before my program returns its result. IHNTA, IJWTSA IJWTW? Anyone set up to profile CPython?... or step through? I give up. Is there a phrasebook somewhere, or do I need to hire an interpreter? http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/ Thanks, but... That defines IHNTA, but not IJWTSA or IJWTW. I just want to say...? I just want to watch? I Just Wanted To See (This) Again Aha. Thanks.- Hide quoted text - And now, to profile CPy. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: QOTW: Re: dream hardware
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jeff Schwab [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 14, 10:50 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Aahz) wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Steven D'Aprano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 10:05:59 -0800, castironpi wrote: What is dream hardware for the Python interpreter? I'm not sure that the Python interpreter actually does dream, but if it's anything like me, it's probably a giant computer the size of a bus, made out of broccoli and oven-roasted garlic, that suddenly turns into Sylvester Stallone in a tutu just before my program returns its result. IHNTA, IJWTSA IJWTW? Anyone set up to profile CPython?... or step through? I give up. Is there a phrasebook somewhere, or do I need to hire an interpreter? http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/ -- Aahz ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) * http://www.pythoncraft.com/ All problems in computer science can be solved by another level of indirection. --Butler Lampson -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: QOTW: Re: dream hardware
Aahz wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jeff Schwab [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 14, 10:50 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Aahz) wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Steven D'Aprano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 10:05:59 -0800, castironpi wrote: What is dream hardware for the Python interpreter? I'm not sure that the Python interpreter actually does dream, but if it's anything like me, it's probably a giant computer the size of a bus, made out of broccoli and oven-roasted garlic, that suddenly turns into Sylvester Stallone in a tutu just before my program returns its result. IHNTA, IJWTSA IJWTW? Anyone set up to profile CPython?... or step through? I give up. Is there a phrasebook somewhere, or do I need to hire an interpreter? http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/ Thanks, but... That defines IHNTA, but not IJWTSA or IJWTW. I just want to say...? I just want to watch? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: QOTW: Re: dream hardware
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IHNTA, IJWTSA Thanks, but... That defines IHNTA, but not IJWTSA or IJWTW. I just want to say...? I just want to watch?- Hide quoted text - I just want to what? Exactly! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: QOTW: Re: dream hardware
IHNTA, IJWTSA Thanks, but... That defines IHNTA, but not IJWTSA or IJWTW. I just want to say...? I just want to watch?- Hide quoted text - I just want to what? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: QOTW: Re: dream hardware
On Feb 16, 1:39 pm, Jeff Schwab [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aahz wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jeff Schwab [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 14, 10:50 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Aahz) wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Steven D'Aprano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 10:05:59 -0800, castironpi wrote: What is dream hardware for the Python interpreter? I'm not sure that the Python interpreter actually does dream, but if it's anything like me, it's probably a giant computer the size of a bus, made out of broccoli and oven-roasted garlic, that suddenly turns into Sylvester Stallone in a tutu just before my program returns its result. IHNTA, IJWTSA IJWTW? Anyone set up to profile CPython?... or step through? I give up. Is there a phrasebook somewhere, or do I need to hire an interpreter? http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/ Thanks, but... That defines IHNTA, but not IJWTSA or IJWTW. I just want to say...? I just want to watch? I Just Wanted To See (This) Again Carl Banks -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: QOTW: Re: dream hardware
Carl Banks wrote: On Feb 16, 1:39 pm, Jeff Schwab [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aahz wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jeff Schwab [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 14, 10:50 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Aahz) wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Steven D'Aprano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 10:05:59 -0800, castironpi wrote: What is dream hardware for the Python interpreter? I'm not sure that the Python interpreter actually does dream, but if it's anything like me, it's probably a giant computer the size of a bus, made out of broccoli and oven-roasted garlic, that suddenly turns into Sylvester Stallone in a tutu just before my program returns its result. IHNTA, IJWTSA IJWTW? Anyone set up to profile CPython?... or step through? I give up. Is there a phrasebook somewhere, or do I need to hire an interpreter? http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/ Thanks, but... That defines IHNTA, but not IJWTSA or IJWTW. I just want to say...? I just want to watch? I Just Wanted To See (This) Again Aha. Thanks. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: QOTW: Re: dream hardware
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 14, 10:50 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Aahz) wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Steven D'Aprano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 10:05:59 -0800, castironpi wrote: What is dream hardware for the Python interpreter? I'm not sure that the Python interpreter actually does dream, but if it's anything like me, it's probably a giant computer the size of a bus, made out of broccoli and oven-roasted garlic, that suddenly turns into Sylvester Stallone in a tutu just before my program returns its result. IHNTA, IJWTSA IJWTW? Anyone set up to profile CPython?... or step through? I give up. Is there a phrasebook somewhere, or do I need to hire an interpreter? -- IANALinguist -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: QOTW: Re: dream hardware
On Feb 14, 10:50 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Aahz) wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Steven D'Aprano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 10:05:59 -0800, castironpi wrote: What is dream hardware for the Python interpreter? I'm not sure that the Python interpreter actually does dream, but if it's anything like me, it's probably a giant computer the size of a bus, made out of broccoli and oven-roasted garlic, that suddenly turns into Sylvester Stallone in a tutu just before my program returns its result. IHNTA, IJWTSA IJWTW? Anyone set up to profile CPython?... or step through? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
QOTW: Re: dream hardware
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Steven D'Aprano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 10:05:59 -0800, castironpi wrote: What is dream hardware for the Python interpreter? I'm not sure that the Python interpreter actually does dream, but if it's anything like me, it's probably a giant computer the size of a bus, made out of broccoli and oven-roasted garlic, that suddenly turns into Sylvester Stallone in a tutu just before my program returns its result. IHNTA, IJWTSA -- Aahz ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) * http://www.pythoncraft.com/ All problems in computer science can be solved by another level of indirection. --Butler Lampson -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Contender for QOTW - Was : Re: AN Intorduction to Tkinter
John Machin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip In that case, don't burn bandwith by banal banter, post the examples! +1 here - Hendrik -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: QOTW (was Re: does anybody earn a living programming in python?)
Aahz enlightened us with: Fredrik Lundh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: well, if you're only watching mtv, it's easy to think that there's obviously not much demand for country singers, blues musicians, British hard rock bands, or melodic death metal acts. Any other votes for this being QOTW? +1 here Sybren -- Sybren Stüvel Stüvel IT - http://www.stuvel.eu/ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
QOTW (was Re: does anybody earn a living programming in python?)
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Fredrik Lundh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: well, if you're only watching mtv, it's easy to think that there's obviously not much demand for country singers, blues musicians, British hard rock bands, or melodic death metal acts. Any other votes for this being QOTW? -- Aahz ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) * http://www.pythoncraft.com/ LL YR VWL R BLNG T S -- www.nancybuttons.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: QOTW (was Re: does anybody earn a living programming in python?)
2006/9/26, Sybren Stuvel [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Aahz enlightened us with: Fredrik Lundh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: well, if you're only watching mtv, it's easy to think that there's obviously not much demand for country singers, blues musicians, British hard rock bands, or melodic death metal acts. Any other votes for this being QOTW? +1 here +1 here, too -- Felipe. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: +1 QOTW
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Terry Reedy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Did anyone else crack up when Larry Wall described python with the statement: Python, as the anti-Perl, is heavily invested in maintaining Order. In the state of the onion address? http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2006/09/21/onion.html There is also this: 'But I think the basic Perl paradigm is Whatever-oriented programming.' But what this really means, in practise, is dis-oriented programming. -M -- Michael J. Fromberger | Lecturer, Dept. of Computer Science http://www.dartmouth.edu/~sting/ | Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: +1 QOTW
Michael J. Fromberger wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Terry Reedy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Did anyone else crack up when Larry Wall described python with the statement: Python, as the anti-Perl, is heavily invested in maintaining Order. In the state of the onion address? http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2006/09/21/onion.html There is also this: 'But I think the basic Perl paradigm is Whatever-oriented programming.' But what this really means, in practise, is dis-oriented programming. I think now we got our QOTW. Georg -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: +1 QOTW
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did anyone else crack up when Larry Wall described python with the statement: Python, as the anti-Perl, is heavily invested in maintaining Order. In the state of the onion address? http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2006/09/21/onion.html Think he's just too charming. I never got through Larrys whole apocalypse. A little weirdness like this one is a great piece but too much of it is insane. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
+1 QOTW
Did anyone else crack up when Larry Wall described python with the statement: Python, as the anti-Perl, is heavily invested in maintaining Order. In the state of the onion address? http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2006/09/21/onion.html -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: +1 QOTW
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Did anyone else crack up when Larry Wall described python with the statement: Python, as the anti-Perl, is heavily invested in maintaining Order. In the state of the onion address? http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2006/09/21/onion.html There is also this: 'But I think the basic Perl paradigm is Whatever-oriented programming.' -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: +1 QOTW
Terry Reedy wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Did anyone else crack up when Larry Wall described python with the statement: Python, as the anti-Perl, is heavily invested in maintaining Order. In the state of the onion address? http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2006/09/21/onion.html There is also this: 'But I think the basic Perl paradigm is Whatever-oriented programming.' This reminds me of when I realized I could become more efficeint as stocker in a warehouse by implementing a wherever inventory system. James -- James Stroud UCLA-DOE Institute for Genomics and Proteomics Box 951570 Los Angeles, CA 90095 http://www.jamesstroud.com/ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: +1 QOTW
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did anyone else crack up when Larry Wall described python with the statement: Python, as the anti-Perl, is heavily invested in maintaining Order. In the state of the onion address? http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2006/09/21/onion.html -3 on QOTW ! The whole article is as he describes it in the opening paragraph, a rambling strole through whatever took his fancy . Of no great weight and so the -3. Good luck to Larry on Perl 6 though. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: +1 QOTW
James Stroud wrote: Terry Reedy wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Did anyone else crack up when Larry Wall described python with the statement: Python, as the anti-Perl, is heavily invested in maintaining Order. In the state of the onion address? http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2006/09/21/onion.html There is also this: 'But I think the basic Perl paradigm is Whatever-oriented programming.' This reminds me of when I realized I could become more efficeint as stocker in a warehouse by implementing a wherever inventory system. Was fetching the items stocked someone else's job? James -- James Stroud UCLA-DOE Institute for Genomics and Proteomics Box 951570 Los Angeles, CA 90095 http://www.jamesstroud.com/ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: +1 QOTW
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did anyone else crack up when Larry Wall described python with the statement: Python, as the anti-Perl, is heavily invested in maintaining Order. Perl? Larry who? (I've been going to a hypnotherapist who specializes in erasing bad memories of the past, sorry.) In the state of the onion address? http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2006/09/21/onion.html -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
QOTW... (was: Doc suggestions (was: Why class exceptions are not deprecated?))
Ed == Ed Singleton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ed Go to the wiki, make the changes you want, and feel good about Ed yourself for once. +1 QOTW. Skip -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: QOTW... (was: Doc suggestions (was: Why class exceptions are not deprecated?))
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ed == Ed Singleton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ed Go to the wiki, make the changes you want, and feel good about Ed yourself for once. +1 QOTW. I suggest leaving off the for once. Otherwise, it is just another gratuitous insult, of the kind there is already too many of in this newsgroup. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
QOTW candidate...
Roy == Roy Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Roy There is much about traditional OO which translates well to Python, Roy but sometimes it is difficult to read a treatise on OO and tell Roy which bits are traditional OO and which are OO in C++/Java. +1 QOTW... Skip -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
My personal candidate for QOTW (was: Python interpreter in Basic or a Python-2-Basic translator.)
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . . . The security 'droids have decided that since the MS Office Suite is a standard application then software written in MS Office VBA must be safe. Any other development environments (such as Java, Perl, . . . -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: My personal candidate for QOTW (was: Python interpreter in Basic or a Python-2-Basic translator.)
Cameron Laird wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . . . The security 'droids have decided that since the MS Office Suite is a standard application then software written in MS Office VBA must be safe. Any other development environments (such as Java, Perl, . . . Obviously, this is a new usage of safe with which I have prviously been unaware. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: My personal candidate for QOTW (was: Python interpreter in Basic or a Python-2-Basic translator.)
Cameron Laird skrev: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . . . The security 'droids have decided that since the MS Office Suite is a standard application then software written in MS Office VBA must be safe. Any other development environments (such as Java, Perl, . . . This is clear evidence supporting the theory that being in charge of security and being able to think have no significant correlation. And, yes: +1 QOTW from me, too. -- Leif Biberg Kristensen -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: My personal candidate for QOTW (was: Python interpreter in Basic or a Python-2-Basic translator.)
From: Leif Biberg Kristensen [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: May 1, 2005 2:13:43 PM EDT To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: My personal candidate for QOTW (was: Python interpreter in Basic or a Python-2-Basic translator.) Cameron Laird skrev: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: . . . The security 'droids have decided that since the MS Office Suite is a standard application then software written in MS Office VBA must be safe. Any other development environments (such as Java, Perl, . . . This is clear evidence supporting the theory that being in charge of security and being able to think have no significant correlation. And, yes: +1 QOTW from me, too. -- Leif Biberg Kristensen I see it every day. The hangers-on have too much invested in the MS quagmire to consider anything else. It's a political thing, and yes yet another example of Plato's Allegory of the Cave. For example, a major financial institution offers their active trader application on Windows only, citing security considerations. Stamping the MS Office Suite and VBA a standard is reminiscent of HR department policy - of course you know what floats to the top in corporate (as well as government) ranks. QOTW? Only for lack of anything more original (no disrespect intended :~) Lee C God save us from those that would save us -- my grandmother c1945 PS: Though I stick with mostly Unix anymore, I do know there are software engineers valiantly employing Python (in their toolbag) in the MS environment. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
QOTW from Ryan Tomayko
http://naeblis.cx/rtomayko/2005/01/20/getters-setters-fuxors ...Many people coming to Python can't believe no one uses IDEs. The automatic assumption is that Python is for old grey beards who are comfortable with vi and Emacs and refuse to accept breakthroughs in programming productivity like IDEs. Then they write a little Python code and realize that an IDE would just get in their way. FuManChu -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: QOTW from Ryan Tomayko
Robert Brewer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://naeblis.cx/rtomayko/2005/01/20/getters-setters-fuxors ...Many people coming to Python can't believe no one uses IDEs. The automatic assumption is that Python is for old grey beards who are comfortable with vi and Emacs and refuse to accept breakthroughs in programming productivity like IDEs. Then they write a little Python code and realize that an IDE would just get in their way. FuManChu [response] It's also not true. Lots of people use IDEs - look at the number of Python IDEs out there, and the number of attempts (some of them reasonable) to add Python support to Eclipse. The thing is, there are relatively fewer programming tools needed to work with Python than there are for Java, for example, so the available IDEs are much simpler. Line oriented editors are an acquired taste, and they are one I've never acquired regardless of the environment. I've used both edit under TSO and vi on a timesharing arrangement with an AIX system, and both of them suck compared to the screen editors available. John Roth -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
