Re: [Python] Re: PyPI question, or, maybe I'm just stupid

2012-07-30 Thread Chris Gonnerman

On 07/30/2012 04:20 AM, Dieter Maurer wrote:

"CHANGES.txt" is not automatically presented.
If necessary, you must integrate it into the "long description".

However, personally, I am not interested in all the details (typically
found in "CHANGES.txt") but some (often implicit) information is
sufficient for me: something like "major API change", "minor bug
fixes". Thus, think carefully what you put on the overview page.
I see your point.  I'm just lazy, I guess.  I already put a description 
of what I've changed into git, so why, I muse, must I also edit the 
overview page separately?  I was hoping there was an automatic way that 
"setup.py sdist upload" could handle it for me.



I find it very stupid to see several window scrolls of changes for
a package but to learn how to install the package, I have to download its
source...
Not sure I get this.  The installation procedure for PollyReports is the 
same as for, what, 99% of Python source packages?


sudo python setup.py install

What else are you saying I should do?

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Re: [Python] Re: PyPI question, or, maybe I'm just stupid

2012-07-30 Thread Chris Gonnerman

On 07/29/2012 11:00 PM, Ben Finney wrote:
Your post is showing up as a reply to a thread about IEEE-784 floats, 
because you created your message as a reply. Consequently, it's rather 
confusing why you suddenly start talking about PollyReports. If you 
want to attract attention to an unrelated topic, it's best if you 
don't reply to an existing thread; instead, start a new thread by 
composing a new message to the forum. 
My apologies.  I did not consider that headers I can't see might be 
being sent along.

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RE: [Python] Re: PyPI question, or, maybe I'm just stupid

2012-07-30 Thread Prasad, Ramit
> > However, personally, I am not interested in all the details (typically
> > found in "CHANGES.txt") but some (often implicit) information is
> > sufficient for me: something like "major API change", "minor bug
> > fixes". Thus, think carefully what you put on the overview page.

> I see your point.  I'm just lazy, I guess.  I already put a description
> of what I've changed into git, so why, I muse, must I also edit the
> overview page separately?  I was hoping there was an automatic way that
> "setup.py sdist upload" could handle it for me.

Even if you could include commit messages I would not recommend it.
Commit messages are for developers of _your_ package not users. It is
like leaving a memo (cough or message) for future developers.

As a user, I want to know that you added a feature AAA. I do *not*
want to know that in order to add AAA you also had to modify BBB
and create CCC. Maybe you had to revert BBB because it conflicted
with DDD and then you refactored some code and added/updated
comments. Finally you managed to fix BBB (maybe also modifying DDD?)
and so the feature AAA is now available.  


Ramit

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Re: [Python] Re: PyPI question, or, maybe I'm just stupid

2012-07-30 Thread Dieter Maurer
Chris Gonnerman  writes:

> On 07/30/2012 04:20 AM, Dieter Maurer wrote:
> ...
>> I find it very stupid to see several window scrolls of changes for
>> a package but to learn how to install the package, I have to download its
>> source...
> Not sure I get this.  The installation procedure for PollyReports is
> the same as for, what, 99% of Python source packages?
>
> sudo python setup.py install
>
> What else are you saying I should do?

This remark was not targeted at "PollyReports" but (in general) at packages
with non-trivial installation procedures which nevertheless
state on the overview page "for installation
read the separate installation instructions (in the source distribution)".

As a side note: playing well with python package managers
("easy_install", "pip", "zc.buildout", ...) could make it even
simpler than "sudo python setup.py install".

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