Re: [OT] Comparing VCS tools (was Development tools and practices for Pythonistas)

2011-04-29 Thread Kevin Walzer 

Fossil is another SCM to consider: http://www.fossil-scm.org/

It's written by the author of SQLite, D. Richard Hipp. It's not as 
well-known as some of the other DCVS's, but the Tcl/Tk language projects 
have moved their core development to it (http://core.tcl.tk). This is 
relevant to Python because Tkinter is part of the stlib.


There aren't any huge sites like Github providing Fossil hosting, but 
here is one site: http://chiselapp.com/


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Re: [OT] Comparing VCS tools (was Development tools and practices for Pythonistas)

2011-04-29 Thread Daniel Kluev 
We were looking for some simple integrated SCM, issue tracker and wiki
in our university for software design and software testing courses,
and fossil seems to be perfect match, thanks for sharing.

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Re: [OT] Comparing VCS tools (was Development tools and practices for Pythonistas)

2011-04-26 Thread Tim Chase 

On 04/26/2011 01:42 PM, Algis Kabaila wrote:

Thomas, have you tried bzr (Bazaar) and if so do you consider hg
(Mercurial) better?

And why is it better?   (bzr is widely used in ubuntu, which is
my favourite distro at present).


Each of the main 3 (bzr, hg, git) have advantages and 
disadvantages.  As Ben (and others?) mentions, it's best to learn 
one of these instead of starting with something like Subversion 
or worse (CVS or worse, *shudder* MS Visual SourceSafe)



Bazaar (bzr)

launchpad.net popular for hosting
Pros:
- some Ubuntu interactions (such as launchpad) easier
- a rigorous focus on correctness
- written in Python (with a small optional bit of C)
- easy-to-use interface (CVS-ish)
- good cross-platform support

Cons:
- was slow, though I understand they've worked on improving this

Protocols:
- custom/smart protocol
- http
- sftp
- ftp
- rsync (via plugin)


Mercurial (hg)
==
BitBucket is popular for hosting
Pros:
- speedy
- written in Python (with a small optional bit of C)
- easy-to-use interface (CVS-ish)
- fairly compact repositories
- EXCELLENT documentation via online book
- chosen by Python as the repository of choice
- good cross-platform support

Cons:
- no biggies that I've found

Protocols:
- http
- ssh


Git (git)
=
GitHub is popular for hosting
Pros:
- a *lot* of popular projects use it (Linux kernel)
- fast
- fairly compact repositories
- good documentation (though somewhat scattered)

Cons:
- interface diverges from the CVS standards
- (was?) not native on
- repositories require periodic maintenance using git gc
- Win32 support is/was a little clunky
- interface was under tumultuous change for a while (though it 
seems to have stabilized now)


Protocols:
- custom/smart protocol
- http
- sftp
- ftp


So that said, I've become a Mercurial user because the interface 
was close to SVN which I used previously, and it was speedy on my 
older machines.  If bzr has come up to comparable speed, I'd be 
game to probe it again.  I just don't care for git's command-line 
UI, but that's a personal preference thing (just like I prefer 
vi/vim over emacs, but acknowledge there are lots of smart folks 
on the other side, too).


-tkc

For at least hg vs. git, see
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1598759/git-and-mercurial-compare-and-contrast






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