Re: About Python Compressed Archive or Binaries
Thanks I really appreciate that, its time consuming task and take lots of hard work for sure, I was thinking it's technical issue for python that there isn't binary format for it, so I'm happy to hear that we will have that option in the future From: Python-list on behalf of Christian Heimes Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022, 18:29 To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: About Python Compressed Archive or Binaries On 17/01/2022 18.49, Kirill Ratkin wrote: > It would be nice to have just zip file with python interpreter (not > executable installer), unpack it anywhere, add path to this 'anywhere' > to PATH, and use it. > > Java/DotNet/Go have this option. But python - not. > > And question is - why? Java is developed by Oracle (revenue 49 billion USD) .NET is developed by Microsoft (revenue 161 billion USD) Go is developed by Google (revenue of parent company is 182 billion USD) Python is developed by a bunch of (mostly unpoaid) volunteers under the umbrella of the PSF (revenue 3.1 million USD). Do you see a pattern? :) A distributable binary format for CPython is high on our list. Brett Cannon, Nathaniel Smith, and I have been discussion a proposal recently. I landed a bunch of changes in 3.11-dev that are both useful for binary distribution and for Web Assembly builds. Because all work is done in our free time, there is only little progress. Christian -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: About Python Compressed Archive or Binaries
On 17/01/2022 18.49, Kirill Ratkin wrote: It would be nice to have just zip file with python interpreter (not executable installer), unpack it anywhere, add path to this 'anywhere' to PATH, and use it. Java/DotNet/Go have this option. But python - not. And question is - why? Java is developed by Oracle (revenue 49 billion USD) .NET is developed by Microsoft (revenue 161 billion USD) Go is developed by Google (revenue of parent company is 182 billion USD) Python is developed by a bunch of (mostly unpoaid) volunteers under the umbrella of the PSF (revenue 3.1 million USD). Do you see a pattern? :) A distributable binary format for CPython is high on our list. Brett Cannon, Nathaniel Smith, and I have been discussion a proposal recently. I landed a bunch of changes in 3.11-dev that are both useful for binary distribution and for Web Assembly builds. Because all work is done in our free time, there is only little progress. Christian -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: About Python Compressed Archive or Binaries
On 1/17/22, Sina Mobasheri wrote: > > I'm aware that Python also have something called Embedded Zip for Windows > and nothing like that for Linux as far as I know, and I think this Embedded > Zip is not something that the user wants to work with that directly it's for > embedding in a C++ application, so it's not the same as options that Java > and NodeJS offering Use the NuGet packages: https://docs.python.org/3/using/windows.html#the-nuget-org-packages These are zipped archives of Python 3.x.y that can be unpacked and used anywhere you want. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: About Python Compressed Archive or Binaries
That's exactly what I mean thank you From: Python-list on behalf of Kirill Ratkin Sent: Monday, January 17, 2022 9:19:44 PM To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: About Python Compressed Archive or Binaries Hi, Yes, this is good question for Windows users. Of course, you can download installer exe-file -> do installation -> pack directory with python interpreter to zip (for example, or 7z) -> copy archive file to another place/computer and unpack. But it will not work out of box because original installer modifies resources in MZ file and path to stdlib is there. So just to use interpreter from that archive file you need to open python.exe file and fix it (in any binary/hex editor). This simple procedure but ... anyway ... I agree with Sina. It would be nice to have just zip file with python interpreter (not executable installer), unpack it anywhere, add path to this 'anywhere' to PATH, and use it. Java/DotNet/Go have this option. But python - not. And question is - why? On 1/17/22 18:37, Sina Mobasheri wrote: > Java offers download JDK as Compressed Archive or NodeJS offers download Node > as Binaries both give us a compressed file for Linux and windows that we can > just unzipped it and put in a custom directory and set some environment > variables and start working > > > I'm aware that Python also have something called Embedded Zip for Windows and > nothing like that for Linux as far as I know, and I think this Embedded Zip > is not something that the user wants to work with that directly it's for > embedding in a C++ application, so it's not the same as options that Java and > NodeJS offering > > > My question is why is Python haven't an option for downloading as Compressed > Archive? > Is it's due to a technical issue? political reasons? or is it just simply > because nobody has thought of doing it? > -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: About Python Compressed Archive or Binaries
Hi, Yes, this is good question for Windows users. Of course, you can download installer exe-file -> do installation -> pack directory with python interpreter to zip (for example, or 7z) -> copy archive file to another place/computer and unpack. But it will not work out of box because original installer modifies resources in MZ file and path to stdlib is there. So just to use interpreter from that archive file you need to open python.exe file and fix it (in any binary/hex editor). This simple procedure but ... anyway ... I agree with Sina. It would be nice to have just zip file with python interpreter (not executable installer), unpack it anywhere, add path to this 'anywhere' to PATH, and use it. Java/DotNet/Go have this option. But python - not. And question is - why? On 1/17/22 18:37, Sina Mobasheri wrote: Java offers download JDK as Compressed Archive or NodeJS offers download Node as Binaries both give us a compressed file for Linux and windows that we can just unzipped it and put in a custom directory and set some environment variables and start working I'm aware that Python also have something called Embedded Zip for Windows and nothing like that for Linux as far as I know, and I think this Embedded Zip is not something that the user wants to work with that directly it's for embedding in a C++ application, so it's not the same as options that Java and NodeJS offering My question is why is Python haven't an option for downloading as Compressed Archive? Is it's due to a technical issue? political reasons? or is it just simply because nobody has thought of doing it? -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: About Python Compressed Archive or Binaries
On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 2:47 AM Chris Angelico wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 2:42 AM Sina Mobasheri > wrote: > > > > Java offers download JDK as Compressed Archive or NodeJS offers download > > Node as Binaries both give us a compressed file for Linux and windows that > > we can just unzipped it and put in a custom directory and set some > > environment variables and start working > > > > > > I'm aware that Python also have something called Embedded Zip for Windows > > and nothing like that for Linux as far as I know, and I think this Embedded > > Zip is not something that the user wants to work with that directly it's > > for embedding in a C++ application, so it's not the same as options that > > Java and NodeJS offering > > > > > > My question is why is Python haven't an option for downloading as > > Compressed Archive? > > Is it's due to a technical issue? political reasons? or is it just simply > > because nobody has thought of doing it? > > Premature send, oops. That's already possible: https://docs.python.org/3/library/zipapp.html :) Alternatively, if you mean the CPython binary itself, then that is available in a number of formats, so I'm not sure what you're asking about in that case. ChrisA -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: About Python Compressed Archive or Binaries
On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 2:42 AM Sina Mobasheri wrote: > > Java offers download JDK as Compressed Archive or NodeJS offers download Node > as Binaries both give us a compressed file for Linux and windows that we can > just unzipped it and put in a custom directory and set some environment > variables and start working > > > I'm aware that Python also have something called Embedded Zip for Windows and > nothing like that for Linux as far as I know, and I think this Embedded Zip > is not something that the user wants to work with that directly it's for > embedding in a C++ application, so it's not the same as options that Java and > NodeJS offering > > > My question is why is Python haven't an option for downloading as Compressed > Archive? > Is it's due to a technical issue? political reasons? or is it just simply > because nobody has thought of doing it? > https://docs.python.org/3/library/zipapp.html :) ChrisA -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list