Re: Encoding questions (continuation)
On 06/11/2013 01:09 PM, Νικόλαος Κούρας wrote: Τη Τρίτη, 11 Ιουνίου 2013 10:52:02 π.μ. UTC+3, ο χρήστης Larry Hudson έγραψε: On 06/10/2013 06:56 AM, Νικόλαος Κούρας wrote: i think your suggestions works only if you have a mail handy in TB and you hit follow-up what if you dont have the mail handy? Followup or Reply brings up the Compose window (with the message you're replying to already quoted). Now you can either type your reply directly, OR if you have it already available you can copy/paste it. THEN you click on Send. If it's a Followup it will be posted to the list, if it is a Reply it sends it as e-mail. BTW, you can *AND SHOULD* edit the quoted text to remove all the unnecessary irrelevant crap, so you are quoting ONLY what you are actually replying to. All the rest is junk and annoying. But definitely keep the parts you are replying to give context to your reply message. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Encoding questions (continuation)
On 06/12/2013 01:20 AM, Larry Hudson wrote: On 06/11/2013 01:09 PM, Νικόλαος Κούρας wrote: Τη Τρίτη, 11 Ιουνίου 2013 10:52:02 π.μ. UTC+3, ο χρήστης Larry Hudson έγραψε: On 06/10/2013 06:56 AM, Νικόλαος Κούρας wrote: I forgot to specify I'm talking about using Thunderbird Newsgroups, not the E-mail part. If you're not using the Thunderbird Newsgroups, try it. It makes things much MUCH easier. (And it eliminates the annoying double-spacing from Google Groups!) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Encoding questions (continuation)
On 06/10/2013 06:56 AM, Νικόλαος Κούρας wrote: ps. i tried to post a reply to the thread i opend via thunderbird mail client, but not as a reply to somne other reply but as new mail send to python list. because of that a new thread will be opened. How can i tell thunderbird to reply to the original thread and not start a new one? By replying to an email in that thread. Yes thats obvious. What is not obvious is how you reply back to a thread by giving extra info when you are not replying to a mail formt tha thread or when you ahve deleted the reply for a member sending the mail to python-list@python.org will just open anew subject intead of replyign to an opened thread. In Thunderbird, click on Followup not Reply. Reply sends e-mail to the poster but doesn't post it to the list. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
OT: e-mail reply to old/archived message (was Re: Encoding questions (continuation))
On 10.06.2013 15:56, Νικόλαος Κούρας wrote: Τη Δευτέρα, 10 Ιουνίου 2013 2:41:07 μ.μ. UTC+3, ο χρήστης Steven D'Aprano έγραψε: On Mon, 10 Jun 2013 14:13:00 +0300, Νικόλαος Κούρας wrote: ps. i tried to post a reply to the thread i opend via thunderbird mail client, but not as a reply to somne other reply but as new mail send to python list. because of that a new thread will be opened. How can i tell thunderbird to reply to the original thread and not start a new one? By replying to an email in that thread. Yes thats obvious. What is not obvious is how you reply back to a thread by giving extra info when you are not replying to a mail formt tha thread or when you ahve deleted the reply for a member sending the mail to python-list@python.org will just open anew subject intead of replyign to an opened thread. You would need to find out the Message-Id of the post you want to reply to and then add manually the In-Reply-To and References headers to your e-mail using that Id. It's probably easier to just use the web interface at Gmane. Bye, Andreas -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Encoding questions (continuation)
Τη Τρίτη, 11 Ιουνίου 2013 1:19:25 π.μ. UTC+3, ο χρήστης Lele Gaifax έγραψε: Maybe he just want to prove we are smart enough... Or maybe his encoding algorithm needs some refinement :-) I already knwo you are smart enough, the latter is what needs some more refinement work :-) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Encoding questions (continuation)
Τη Τρίτη, 11 Ιουνίου 2013 10:52:02 π.μ. UTC+3, ο χρήστης Larry Hudson έγραψε: On 06/10/2013 06:56 AM, Νικόλαος Κούρας wrote: ps. i tried to post a reply to the thread i opend via thunderbird mail client, but not as a reply to somne other reply but as new mail send to python list. because of that a new thread will be opened. How can i tell thunderbird to reply to the original thread and not start a new one? By replying to an email in that thread. Yes thats obvious. What is not obvious is how you reply back to a thread by giving extra info when you are not replying to a mail formt tha thread or when you ahve deleted the reply for a member sending the mail to python-list@python.org will just open anew subject intead of replyign to an opened thread. In Thunderbird, click on Followup not Reply. Lets say i want to anser to your question by mail and not by using spamming '\n' google groups, how will i be ble to do it by follow up? i think your suggestions works only if you have a mail handy in TB and you hit follow-up what if you dont have the mail handy? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: OT: e-mail reply to old/archived message (was Re: Encoding questions (continuation))
Τη Τρίτη, 11 Ιουνίου 2013 2:21:50 μ.μ. UTC+3, ο χρήστης Andreas Perstinger έγραψε: sending the mail to python-list@python.org will just open anew subject intead of replyign to an opened thread. You would need to find out the Message-Id of the post you want to reply to and then add manually the In-Reply-To and References headers to your e-mail using that Id. You mean by viewing for example your post as 'view original source', finding In-Reply-To: 71d585e6-bb98-47b7-9a45-7cde1ba0c...@googlegroups.com and then compose a new mail as: to: Andreas Perstinger andip...@gmail.com cc: In-Reply-To: 71d585e6-bb98-47b7-9a45-7cde1ba0c...@googlegroups.com is this the way Andrea? but what the diif between rplyt-to and message-id ? Message-ID: mailman.3016.1370949723.3114.python-l...@python.org -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Encoding questions (continuation)
On Mon, 10 Jun 2013 14:13:00 +0300, Νικόλαος Κούρας wrote: Τη Δευτέρα, 10 Ιουνίου 2013 1:42:25 μ.μ. UTC+3, ο χρήστης Andreas Perstinger έγραψε: s = b'\xce\xb1' s[0] 206 's' is a byte object, how can you treat it as a string asking to present you its first character? That is not treating it as a string, and it does not present the first character. It presents the first byte, which is a number between 0 and 255, not a character. py alist = [0xce, 0xb1] py alist[0] 206 Is that treating alist as a string? No, of course not. Strings are not the only object that have indexing object[position]. 's' is a byte object, how can you treat it as a string asking to present you its first character? You just asked that exact same question. Why ask it twice? A byte object is a sequence of bytes (= integer values) and support indexing A sequeence of bystes is a a sequence of bits which is zeros and one's not integers. Nikos, you fail basic computers. Time for you to step away from the computer, go to the library, and borrow a book about the basic fundamentals of how computers work. Perhaps something written for school children. I am not saying this to insult you, or to be rude. But you are obviously struggling with the most basic concepts, like what a byte is. You need to go back to basics and learn the simple things, and perhaps if it is explained to you in your native language, you will understand it better. Because your method doesn't work. If you use all possible 256 bit-combinations to represent a valid character, how do you decide where to stop in a sequence of bytes? How you mean? please provice an example so i can understand this. I have already provided an example. Many other people have provided examples. Please read them. EBCDIC and ASCII and Unicode are charactet sets, correct? iso-8859-1, iso-8859-7, utf-8, utf-16, utf-32 and so on are encoding methods, right? Look at http://www.unicode.org/glossary/ for an explanation of all the terms I did but docs confuse me even more. Can you pleas ebut it simple. Nikos, if you can't be bothered to correct your spelling mistakes, why should we be bothered to answer your questions? It takes you half a second to fix a typo like pleas ebut. It takes us five, ten, fifteen, twenty minutes to write an email explaining these concepts, and then you don't bother to read them and just ask the same question again. And again. And again. ps. i tried to post a reply to the thread i opend via thunderbird mail client, but not as a reply to somne other reply but as new mail send to python list. because of that a new thread will be opened. How can i tell thunderbird to reply to the original thread and not start a new one? By replying to an email in that thread. -- Steven -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Encoding questions (continuation)
Τη Δευτέρα, 10 Ιουνίου 2013 2:41:07 μ.μ. UTC+3, ο χρήστης Steven D'Aprano έγραψε: On Mon, 10 Jun 2013 14:13:00 +0300, Νικόλαος Κούρας wrote: Τη Δευτέρα, 10 Ιουνίου 2013 1:42:25 μ.μ. UTC+3, ο χρήστης Andreas Perstinger έγραψε: s = b'\xce\xb1' s[0] 206 's' is a byte object, how can you treat it as a string asking to present you its first character? That is not treating it as a string, and it does not present the first character. It presents the first byte, which is a number between 0 and 255, not a character. py alist = [0xce, 0xb1] py alist[0] 206 To my mind alist[0] should yield '0xce' Is that treating alist as a string? No, of course not. Strings are not the only object that have indexing object[position]. Yes actually it does. s string is a series of characters. a list is a series of objects, which can be chars, strings, integers, other data structures. So doing a_list[0] is similar of doing a_string[00 A byte object is a sequence of bytes (= integer values) and support indexing Isn't a byte a series of zeros and ones, like 01010101 ? So why you say bytes are integers since its numbers into a binary system? perhsp you mean a represantaion of a bye to a decimal value? I am not saying this to insult you, or to be rude. But you are obviously struggling with the most basic concepts, like what a byte is. You need to go back to basics and learn the simple things, and perhaps if it is explained to you in your native language, you will understand it better. I have already provided an example. Many other people have provided examples. Please read them. i do read everythign being posted back to me. ps. i tried to post a reply to the thread i opend via thunderbird mail client, but not as a reply to somne other reply but as new mail send to python list. because of that a new thread will be opened. How can i tell thunderbird to reply to the original thread and not start a new one? By replying to an email in that thread. Yes thats obvious. What is not obvious is how you reply back to a thread by giving extra info when you are not replying to a mail formt tha thread or when you ahve deleted the reply for a member sending the mail to python-list@python.org will just open anew subject intead of replyign to an opened thread. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Encoding questions (continuation)
On 10 Jun 2013 15:04, Νικόλαος Κούρας nikos.gr...@gmail.com wrote: Τη Δευτέρα, 10 Ιουνίου 2013 2:41:07 μ.μ. UTC+3, ο χρήστης Steven D'Aprano έγραψε: On Mon, 10 Jun 2013 14:13:00 +0300, Νικόλαος Κούρας wrote: Τη Δευτέρα, 10 Ιουνίου 2013 1:42:25 μ.μ. UTC+3, ο χρήστης Andreas Perstinger έγραψε: s = b'\xce\xb1' s[0] 206 's' is a byte object, how can you treat it as a string asking to present you its first character? That is not treating it as a string, and it does not present the first character. It presents the first byte, which is a number between 0 and 255, not a character. py alist = [0xce, 0xb1] py alist[0] 206 To my mind alist[0] should yield '0xce' This happens because 0xce is an integer object too. Integer objects have no memory of what format they were declared on. Oxce just happens to be 206 in hexadecimal. Ob10 would also result in the integer 2. Is that treating alist as a string? No, of course not. Strings are not the only object that have indexing object[position]. Yes actually it does. s string is a series of characters. a list is a series of objects, which can be chars, strings, integers, other data structures. So doing a_list[0] is similar of doing a_string[00 A byte object is a sequence of bytes (= integer values) and support indexing Isn't a byte a series of zeros and ones, like 01010101 ? So why you say bytes are integers since its numbers into a binary system? perhsp you mean a represantaion of a bye to a decimal value? A byte is a number, stored in (usually) 8 binary digits. By addressing a bytes object by its index, you get an integer of that byte. That's just how python deals with it. You should heed Steven's advice and read up on basic computing. You seem to be lacking a lot of basic concepts. Cheers. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Encoding questions (continuation)
Steven D'Aprano steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info writes: I did but docs confuse me even more. Can you pleas ebut it simple. Nikos, if you can't be bothered to correct your spelling mistakes, why should we be bothered to answer your questions? Maybe he just want to prove we are smart enough... http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,511177,00.html Or maybe his encoding algorithm needs some refinement :-) ciao, lele. -- nickname: Lele Gaifax | Quando vivrò di quello che ho pensato ieri real: Emanuele Gaifas | comincerò ad aver paura di chi mi copia. l...@metapensiero.it | -- Fortunato Depero, 1929. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
