Re: IDLE - Customizing output format
Ilias Lazaridis wrote: > IDLE has an output format like this: > > >>> object > > >>> type > > >>> object.__class__ > > >>> object.__bases__ > > How can I customize it to become like that: > > >>> object > > >>> type > > >>> object.__class__ > > >>> object.__bases__ > > or that: > > >>> object >: > >>> type >: > >>> object.__class__ >: > >>> object.__bases__ > > (preferably without modifying code) I am close to finalizing this task, but have two tiny problems: import the module from within a site_packages *.pth file, or include the code into sitecustomize, or import it withine an IDLE session: # idlex.py #--- import sys class ClaimStdOut: def __init__(self, stream, prefix): self.stdout = stream #remember original stream self.prefix = prefix def write(self, output): self.stdout.write(self.prefix + output) #this one is _not_ executed on import: sys.stdout = ClaimStdOut(sys.stdout, '=== ') #workaround: def f(obj): if obj is not None: print repr(obj) # Claiming StdOut here sys.stdout = ClaimStdOut(sys.stdout, '::: ') #disable displayhook (which is just used to set stdout) sys.displayhook = sys.__displayhook__ # this one _is_ executed on import sys.displayhook = f #--- So, why is this line not executed during import? sys.stdout = ClaimStdOut(sys.stdout, '=== ') additionally, the output of IDLE looks like this: IDLE 1.1.3 No Subprocess >>> 1==1 True [the new stdout is active now] >>> 1==1 ::: True::: >>> Possibly IDLE prints the CR/LF in a second call. How can I compare this operating-system-independent? if (output == ): self.stdout.write(output) else: self.stdout.write(self.prefix + output) . -- http://case.lazaridis.com/ticket/10 -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: IDLE - Customizing output format
Gabriel Genellina wrote: > At Wednesday 27/9/2006 09:29, Ilias Lazaridis wrote: > > >import sys > >def f(obj): > > if obj: > > print '::: ' + repr(obj) > >sys.displayhook = f > > Have you tried that? You have to filter out None, not *any* False value. > > > > And notice that this replaces the output of *evaluated* expressions, > > > not any print statement executed inside your code. > > > >Any simple solution for this? > > Displaying things interactively is not the same as executing a print > statement inside the code - I feel right they are not considered the > same thing. print output goes to sys.stdout, you could replace it. this is nicely described here: http://www.voidspace.org.uk/python/weblog/arch_d7_2006_01_21.shtml#e192 do i need the "getattr" and "writeline" methods in MyStdOut? . -- http://case.lazaridis.com/ticket/10 -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: IDLE - Customizing output format
Gabriel Genellina wrote: > At Wednesday 27/9/2006 09:29, Ilias Lazaridis wrote: > > >import sys > >def f(obj): > > if obj: > > print '::: ' + repr(obj) > >sys.displayhook = f > > Have you tried that? You have to filter out None, not *any* False value. you are right. 1 == 0 showed an empty response. this one seems to work: def f(obj): if obj is not None: print '::: ' + repr(obj) > > > And notice that this replaces the output of *evaluated* expressions, > > > not any print statement executed inside your code. > > > >Any simple solution for this? > > Displaying things interactively is not the same as executing a print > statement inside the code - I feel right they are not considered the > same thing. agree. > print output goes to sys.stdout, you could replace it. wouldn't this replace all sdtout of every python programm? i've tried this one: sys.sdtout = f without success within IDLE. > >I've looked a little at the code, but get immediately demotivated > >seeing 72 files within a flat directroy: > > > >http://svn.python.org/view/python/trunk/Lib/idlelib/?rev=52013 > > Remember that packages have not existed forever... I've seen worse things :) ok, me too. but placing at minimum 2 directories like: core gui could simpify things already very much. . -- http://lazaridis.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: IDLE - Customizing output format
At Wednesday 27/9/2006 09:29, Ilias Lazaridis wrote: import sys def f(obj): if obj: print '::: ' + repr(obj) sys.displayhook = f Have you tried that? You have to filter out None, not *any* False value. > And notice that this replaces the output of *evaluated* expressions, > not any print statement executed inside your code. Any simple solution for this? Displaying things interactively is not the same as executing a print statement inside the code - I feel right they are not considered the same thing. print output goes to sys.stdout, you could replace it. I've looked a little at the code, but get immediately demotivated seeing 72 files within a flat directroy: http://svn.python.org/view/python/trunk/Lib/idlelib/?rev=52013 Remember that packages have not existed forever... I've seen worse things :) Gabriel Genellina Softlab SRL __ Preguntá. Respondé. Descubrí. Todo lo que querías saber, y lo que ni imaginabas, está en Yahoo! Respuestas (Beta). ¡Probalo ya! http://www.yahoo.com.ar/respuestas -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: IDLE - Customizing output format
Gabriel Genellina wrote: > At Tuesday 26/9/2006 15:29, Ilias Lazaridis wrote: > > > > >>> def f(obj): > > > print '' + repr(obj) > > > > > > >>> sys.displayhook = f > > > >I've placed this code within /Lib/sitecustomize.py, but have one > >strange result: ... > > >>> t.sayHello() > >Hello world > > : None > >1st: "Hello world" comes still on the beginning. > >2nd: I got this "None" import sys def f(obj): if obj: print '::: ' + repr(obj) sys.displayhook = f > The replacement should be a bit more complicated, taking None into > account - see the original PEP for details > http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0217/ > And notice that this replaces the output of *evaluated* expressions, > not any print statement executed inside your code. Any simple solution for this? I've looked a little at the code, but get immediately demotivated seeing 72 files within a flat directroy: http://svn.python.org/view/python/trunk/Lib/idlelib/?rev=52013 . -- http://lazaridis.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: IDLE - Customizing output format
James Stroud wrote: > Ilias Lazaridis wrote: ... > Well, for example, the output (I'm indenting manually for visual clarity): > > >>> print 'bob' > : bob > >>> print [i for i in xrange(3)] > : [0, 1, 2] > > > Would create the following selection in "doctest" mode (again manually > adding whitespace): > > >>> print 'bob' > bob > >>> print [i for i in xrange(3)] > [0, 1, 2] http://docs.python.org/lib/module-doctest.html ok, I understand now. then, for consistency reasons, the ":" could become ":::". doctest would need to get a tiny addition to be able to 'see' those ":::". > But, say for 'code copy' mode, this selection would be appended to the > clipboard (again manually adding whitespace for clarity): > > print 'bob' > print [i for i in xrange(3)] I understand. > This way you could either make doctest blocks or copy code drafted in > the interactive interpreter. I often get carried away and write complete > useful functions in the interpreter then have to do commands like the > following in vim: > > :.,+8s/^// > > to fix ">"s and ellipses, etc., in the copied function. Or if I want to > tweak a function I'm writing in the interpreter, I painfully copy it one > line at a time. This may or may not be the best way to use the > interpreter (to draft actual code) but I find myself doing it all of the > time. I am wondering that this functionality (copy code) is not included within IDLE. It should be possible to add it quite simple. . -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: IDLE - Customizing output format
Ilias Lazaridis wrote: > James Stroud wrote: >>Ilias Lazaridis wrote: >>>I am wondering that other users are not annoyed by this reduced >>>readability. >> >>I'm sure its quite unpopular to agree with you, but I do. I am >>tremendously annoyed the format of the interactive interpreter. Lovely >>would be output as you describe, but with the option, when selecting for >>copy-paste, to include the prompts and/or your suggested whitespace >>margin (e.g. select in doctest mode). >> > I am not sure I understand what you meen with the option. > > copy includes both, the ">>>" and the " :" > > possibly you can elaborate a little, as this could be an important > factor. Well, for example, the output (I'm indenting manually for visual clarity): >>> print 'bob' : bob >>> print [i for i in xrange(3)] : [0, 1, 2] Would create the following selection in "doctest" mode (again manually adding whitespace): >>> print 'bob' bob >>> print [i for i in xrange(3)] [0, 1, 2] But, say for 'code copy' mode, this selection would be appended to the clipboard (again manually adding whitespace for clarity): print 'bob' print [i for i in xrange(3)] This way you could either make doctest blocks or copy code drafted in the interactive interpreter. I often get carried away and write complete useful functions in the interpreter then have to do commands like the following in vim: :.,+8s/^// to fix ">"s and ellipses, etc., in the copied function. Or if I want to tweak a function I'm writing in the interpreter, I painfully copy it one line at a time. This may or may not be the best way to use the interpreter (to draft actual code) but I find myself doing it all of the time. James -- James Stroud UCLA-DOE Institute for Genomics and Proteomics Box 951570 Los Angeles, CA 90095 http://www.jamesstroud.com/ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: IDLE - Customizing output format
At Tuesday 26/9/2006 15:29, Ilias Lazaridis wrote: > >>> def f(obj): > print '' + repr(obj) > > >>> sys.displayhook = f I've placed this code within /Lib/sitecustomize.py, but have one strange result: >>> from talker import * >>> t = Talker() >>> t.sayHello : > >>> t.sayHello() Hello world : None >>> 1st: "Hello world" comes still on the beginning. 2nd: I got this "None" The replacement should be a bit more complicated, taking None into account - see the original PEP for details http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0217/ And notice that this replaces the output of *evaluated* expressions, not any print statement executed inside your code. Gabriel Genellina Softlab SRL __ Preguntá. Respondé. Descubrí. Todo lo que querías saber, y lo que ni imaginabas, está en Yahoo! Respuestas (Beta). ¡Probalo ya! http://www.yahoo.com.ar/respuestas -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: IDLE - Customizing output format
At Tuesday 26/9/2006 15:31, Ilias Lazaridis wrote: > >Anyways, against my better judgement, I will tell you that you can > >customize the > >output by replacing sys.displayhook with your own function: > > > >http://www.python.org/doc/current/lib/module-sys.html > > > > >>> import sys > > >>> def f(obj): > > print '' + repr(obj) > > >>> sys.displayhook = f > > Sometimes I enable a similar approach on my sitecustomize.py, using > the pprint module. But I don't *always* like the output format. Can you please show this approach using "pprint"? Sure. Put these two lines into your sitecustomize.py: import sys, pprint sys.displayhook = pprint.pprint and see what happens when you eval things inside the interpreter. Gabriel Genellina Softlab SRL __ Preguntá. Respondé. Descubrí. Todo lo que querías saber, y lo que ni imaginabas, está en Yahoo! Respuestas (Beta). ¡Probalo ya! http://www.yahoo.com.ar/respuestas -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: IDLE - Customizing output format
James Stroud wrote: > Ilias Lazaridis wrote: ... > > I am wondering that other users are not annoyed by this reduced > > readability. > > I'm sure its quite unpopular to agree with you, but I do. I am > tremendously annoyed the format of the interactive interpreter. Lovely > would be output as you describe, but with the option, when selecting for > copy-paste, to include the prompts and/or your suggested whitespace > margin (e.g. select in doctest mode). > > James I am not sure I understand what you meen with the option. copy includes both, the ">>>" and the " :" possibly you can elaborate a little, as this could be an important factor. - As for a solution to the output, just follow this ticket: http://case.lazaridis.com/ticket/10 . -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: IDLE - Customizing output format
Ilias Lazaridis wrote: > Robert Kern wrote: >> Anyways, against my better judgement, I will tell you that you can customize >> the >> output by replacing sys.displayhook with your own function: >> >>http://www.python.org/doc/current/lib/module-sys.html >> >> >>> import sys >> >>> 1 >> 1 >> >>> def f(obj): >> print '' + repr(obj) >> >> >>> sys.displayhook = f >> >>> 1 >> 1 >> >>> > > I've placed this code within /Lib/sitecustomize.py, but have one > strange result: > from talker import * t = Talker() t.sayHello > : 0x00DEA198>> t.sayHello() > Hello world > : None > > 1st: "Hello world" comes still on the beginning. Yes. Read the doc for sys.displayhook() and you will understand why. > 2nd: I got this "None" Yes. Read the doc for sys.displayhook() and you will understand why. I did not give you an all-singing, all-dancing solution, just showed you that you *can* customize the output that you said you wanted customized. -- Robert Kern "I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it had an underlying truth." -- Umberto Eco -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: IDLE - Customizing output format
Gabriel Genellina wrote: > At Sunday 24/9/2006 18:55, Robert Kern wrote: > > >Anyways, against my better judgement, I will tell you that you can > >customize the > >output by replacing sys.displayhook with your own function: > > > >http://www.python.org/doc/current/lib/module-sys.html > > > > >>> import sys > > >>> def f(obj): > > print '' + repr(obj) > > >>> sys.displayhook = f > > Sometimes I enable a similar approach on my sitecustomize.py, using > the pprint module. But I don't *always* like the output format. Can you please show this approach using "pprint"? . -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: IDLE - Customizing output format
Robert Kern wrote: > Ilias Lazaridis wrote: > > Steve Holden wrote: > > >> And I am wondering at your continual surprise when the rest of the world > >> fails to share your perceptions. Doesn't this carry *any* information? > > > > not the rest of the world, but the rest of the python community. > > Remember back when you first came to comp.lang.python and I told you that this > was not the community that you were looking for? > >http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2005-February/266629.html > > Good times. yes, good times, for the memory: http://case.lazaridis.com/wiki/PythonAudit but now I produce (using python): http://dev.lazaridis.com/base > Anyways, against my better judgement, I will tell you that you can customize > the > output by replacing sys.displayhook with your own function: > >http://www.python.org/doc/current/lib/module-sys.html > > >>> import sys > >>> 1 > 1 > >>> def f(obj): > print '' + repr(obj) > > >>> sys.displayhook = f > >>> 1 > 1 > >>> I've placed this code within /Lib/sitecustomize.py, but have one strange result: >>> from talker import * >>> t = Talker() >>> t.sayHello : > >>> t.sayHello() Hello world : None >>> 1st: "Hello world" comes still on the beginning. 2nd: I got this "None" class Talker: def sayHello(self): print 'Hello world' def talk(self): self.sayHello() -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: IDLE - Customizing output format
Ilias Lazaridis wrote: > Ilias Lazaridis wrote: >> IDLE has an output format like this: >> >> >>> object >> >> >>> type >> >> >>> object.__class__ >> >> >>> object.__bases__ >> >> How can I customize it to become like that: >> >> >>> object >> >> >>> type >> >> >>> object.__class__ >> >> >>> object.__bases__ >> >> or that: >> >> >>> object >>: >> >>> type >>: >> >>> object.__class__ >>: >> >>> object.__bases__ >> >> (preferably without modifying code) > > I assume this is not possible. > > I am wondering that other users are not annoyed by this reduced > readability. I'm sure its quite unpopular to agree with you, but I do. I am tremendously annoyed the format of the interactive interpreter. Lovely would be output as you describe, but with the option, when selecting for copy-paste, to include the prompts and/or your suggested whitespace margin (e.g. select in doctest mode). James -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: IDLE - Customizing output format
At Sunday 24/9/2006 18:55, Robert Kern wrote: Anyways, against my better judgement, I will tell you that you can customize the output by replacing sys.displayhook with your own function: http://www.python.org/doc/current/lib/module-sys.html >>> import sys >>> def f(obj): print '' + repr(obj) >>> sys.displayhook = f Sometimes I enable a similar approach on my sitecustomize.py, using the pprint module. But I don't *always* like the output format. Gabriel Genellina Softlab SRL __ Preguntá. Respondé. Descubrí. Todo lo que querías saber, y lo que ni imaginabas, está en Yahoo! Respuestas (Beta). ¡Probalo ya! http://www.yahoo.com.ar/respuestas -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: IDLE - Customizing output format
Ilias Lazaridis wrote: > Steve Holden wrote: >> And I am wondering at your continual surprise when the rest of the world >> fails to share your perceptions. Doesn't this carry *any* information? > > not the rest of the world, but the rest of the python community. Remember back when you first came to comp.lang.python and I told you that this was not the community that you were looking for? http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2005-February/266629.html Good times. Anyways, against my better judgement, I will tell you that you can customize the output by replacing sys.displayhook with your own function: http://www.python.org/doc/current/lib/module-sys.html >>> import sys >>> 1 1 >>> def f(obj): print '' + repr(obj) >>> sys.displayhook = f >>> 1 1 >>> -- Robert Kern "I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it had an underlying truth." -- Umberto Eco -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: IDLE - Customizing output format
>> And I am wondering at your continual surprise when the rest of the world >> fails to share your perceptions. Doesn't this carry *any* information? > > not the rest of the world, but the rest of the python community. > > That's a big difference. > > So it looks that I have to code to change the output format. > > Reminds me 'good old days'. Gosh. Shocking. A programmer is supposed to program if he wants a program to behave differently. When the heck has this world mutated from a place where uttering nonsense made it immediately happen, as if by magic? I can recall two times that has been the case before: - paradise. Ended presumably 6000 years ago, according to your local intelligent designer outlet. - dot-com era, unfortunately only for funding ideas, not so much developing or even successfully deploying them. Ended 2001. Obviously historians have to consider a third period: the golden times of Illias wishful thinking reign, a collectively unnoticed time which only records could be found if brain scanning was more developed in just one brain in the world. Yours. Diez -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: IDLE - Customizing output format
Steve Holden wrote: > Ilias Lazaridis wrote: > > Ilias Lazaridis wrote: > > > >>IDLE has an output format like this: > >> > >> >>> object > >> > >> >>> type > >> > >> >>> object.__class__ > >> > >> >>> object.__bases__ > >> > >>How can I customize it to become like that: > >> > >> >>> object > >> > >> >>> type > >> > >> >>> object.__class__ > >> > >> >>> object.__bases__ > >> > >>or that: > >> > >> >>> object > >> : > >> >>> type > >> : > >> >>> object.__class__ > >> : > >> >>> object.__bases__ > >> > >>(preferably without modifying code) > > > > I assume this is not possible. > > > > I am wondering that other users are not annoyed by this reduced > > readability. > > > And I am wondering at your continual surprise when the rest of the world > fails to share your perceptions. Doesn't this carry *any* information? not the rest of the world, but the rest of the python community. That's a big difference. So it looks that I have to code to change the output format. Reminds me 'good old days'. > > anyway. > > > Indeed. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: IDLE - Customizing output format
Ilias Lazaridis wrote: > Ilias Lazaridis wrote: > >>IDLE has an output format like this: >> >> >>> object >> >> >>> type >> >> >>> object.__class__ >> >> >>> object.__bases__ >> >>How can I customize it to become like that: >> >> >>> object >> >> >>> type >> >> >>> object.__class__ >> >> >>> object.__bases__ >> >>or that: >> >> >>> object >> : >> >>> type >> : >> >>> object.__class__ >> : >> >>> object.__bases__ >> >>(preferably without modifying code) > > > I assume this is not possible. > > I am wondering that other users are not annoyed by this reduced > readability. > And I am wondering at your continual surprise when the rest of the world fails to share your perceptions. Doesn't this carry *any* information? > anyway. > Indeed. regards Steve -- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC/Ltd http://www.holdenweb.com Skype: holdenweb http://holdenweb.blogspot.com Recent Ramblings http://del.icio.us/steve.holden -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: IDLE - Customizing output format
Ilias Lazaridis wrote: > IDLE has an output format like this: > > >>> object > > >>> type > > >>> object.__class__ > > >>> object.__bases__ > > How can I customize it to become like that: > > >>> object > > >>> type > > >>> object.__class__ > > >>> object.__bases__ > > or that: > > >>> object >: > >>> type >: > >>> object.__class__ >: > >>> object.__bases__ > > (preferably without modifying code) I assume this is not possible. I am wondering that other users are not annoyed by this reduced readability. anyway. . > -- > http://lazaridis.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
