Re: Illegal suggestions on python list
On 5 July 2013 08:34, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 5:23 PM, Νίκος Gr33k wrote: >> Of course we all know that a serial/patch/keygen/crack can be found for this >> great edit very easily on warez or torrentz sites so it was like a common >> secret to all of us. > > Actually no, I don't know that that's available. Seriously? I thought you had internet access... /onlyhalfjoking /alsoNikosjustbuyitgoddamnit -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Illegal suggestions on python list
On Sat, Jul 6, 2013 at 2:40 PM, Joshua Landau wrote: > On 5 July 2013 08:34, Chris Angelico wrote: >> On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 5:23 PM, Νίκος Gr33k wrote: >>> Of course we all know that a serial/patch/keygen/crack can be found for this >>> great edit very easily on warez or torrentz sites so it was like a common >>> secret to all of us. >> >> Actually no, I don't know that that's available. > > Seriously? I thought you had internet access... Not exactly, no... didn't you know? I'm an entity created by the internet itself in order to program it. I AM SKYNET! At least, that's what people say on Threshold RPG, since I'm so constantly online. Maybe that doesn't apply here. Can I be a real person in one place and a construct of the internet in another? This is deep ChrisA -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Illegal suggestions on python list
On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 5:23 PM, Νίκος Gr33k wrote: > Chris i just wanted to offer some help to you guys because i received a lot > for help here myself. Hey guys, I really appreciate what you've done, so here's what I'll do: I'm robbing the Last National Bank on Tuesday, and you can all join me! > It was my way to contribute to the people here. > Of course i shouldn't have proposed that because yes its like ripping the > company off. > > Of course we all know that a serial/patch/keygen/crack can be found for this > great edit very easily on warez or torrentz sites so it was like a common > secret to all of us. Actually no, I don't know that that's available. And if we all know, why bother saying it? Mind you, I can't honestly say that I've *never* bypassed a pay-for system. But I would not suggest it about something that I like and want to encourage (as you seem to with this editor), and if I'm going to say something in public, it's going to be worded carefully - something like this: http://rosuav.blogspot.com.au/2012/07/ea-games-dont-buy-from-them.html And that's the strongest I'll ever get on the subject, and only there because I have a VERY strong dislike for their actions. ChrisA -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Illegal suggestions on python list
Στις 5/7/2013 10:18 πμ, ο/η Chris Angelico έγραψε: On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 4:47 PM, zoom wrote: Probably... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Swartz#JSTOR Things are always more complicated than any simple Usenet post can do justice to, and it'll often come down to who has the biggest legal budget. Since he was never actually found guilty (or so a cursory reading of that Wikipedia page suggests), that can't really be taken as proof; anyone can be charged with anything if someone can trump up some plausible evidence (no, I'm not completely cynical, why do you ask?), but that doesn't make walking and chewing gum at the same time a crime. Anyway, this is all technicalities; it's still unwise to advocate legally and/or morally shady actions in public. You never know what people will find back years later. ChrisA Chris i just wanted to offer some help to you guys because i received a lot for help here myself. It was my way to contribute to the people here. Of course i shouldn't have proposed that because yes its like ripping the company off. Of course we all know that a serial/patch/keygen/crack can be found for this great edit very easily on warez or torrentz sites so it was like a common secret to all of us. I just wanted to make things easy and felt like helping. I wont post something like that again though. -- What is now proved was at first only imagined! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Illegal suggestions on python list
On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 4:47 PM, zoom wrote: > Probably... > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Swartz#JSTOR Things are always more complicated than any simple Usenet post can do justice to, and it'll often come down to who has the biggest legal budget. Since he was never actually found guilty (or so a cursory reading of that Wikipedia page suggests), that can't really be taken as proof; anyone can be charged with anything if someone can trump up some plausible evidence (no, I'm not completely cynical, why do you ask?), but that doesn't make walking and chewing gum at the same time a crime. Anyway, this is all technicalities; it's still unwise to advocate legally and/or morally shady actions in public. You never know what people will find back years later. ChrisA -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Illegal suggestions on python list
On 07/05/2013 12:30 AM, Chris Angelico wrote: On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 3:10 AM, Rustom Mody wrote: On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 9:16 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: Which crime is that? Presumably you mean an actual criminal felony, not a mere civil offence. Under which jurisdiction? If piracy is a crime, and not just a civil offence, then surely so is libel. You've got your OO class hierarchy mixed up and then imposing that on me. See http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/crimes-felonies-misdemeanors-infractions-classification-33814.html I did not say or suggest felony. Maybe misdemeanor or infarction. Dunno which. IANAL... The specific terms don't really matter here, but in most jurisdictions, "felony" will be a term that unambiguously refers to a crime against the law, as distinct from what Steven is comparing against, civil damages. If I shoot you dead, I have committed murder. This is a crime. If I put up a sign saying "Entrance to" over my own door, next to yours, then I have committed no crime, but you can sue me in civil court for your loss of business resulting from my action. Whether one of them is classed as a felony in some jurisdiction or not doesn't matter, what matters is that one is simply not a crime. Violating a license agreement usually is not a crime (and if done in good faith, is often considered a bug to be fixed, not a suit to be pressed - but that does NOT apply here), hence the analogies to criminal action somewhat break down. That said, though, offering in public to rip someone off is just as unwise as offering in public to commit a crime. ChrisA Probably... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Swartz#JSTOR -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Illegal suggestions on python list
On 5/07/2013 4:18 AM, feedthetr...@gmx.de wrote: Oh, sorry, we forgot, that the US legal system is the only one applicable > to the internt (and of course to the whole world). Given that Australian citizens (at least) have been extradited to the US for piracy crimes that weren't commited on US soil, it's not that far from the truth, unfortunatley. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Illegal suggestions on python list
On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 3:10 AM, Rustom Mody wrote: > On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 9:16 PM, Steven D'Aprano > wrote: >> >> Which crime is that? Presumably you mean an actual criminal felony, not a >> mere civil offence. Under which jurisdiction? >> >> If piracy is a crime, and not just a civil offence, then surely so is >> libel. > > You've got your OO class hierarchy mixed up and then imposing that on me. > > See > http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/crimes-felonies-misdemeanors-infractions-classification-33814.html > > I did not say or suggest felony. > Maybe misdemeanor or infarction. Dunno which. IANAL... The specific terms don't really matter here, but in most jurisdictions, "felony" will be a term that unambiguously refers to a crime against the law, as distinct from what Steven is comparing against, civil damages. If I shoot you dead, I have committed murder. This is a crime. If I put up a sign saying "Entrance to " over my own door, next to yours, then I have committed no crime, but you can sue me in civil court for your loss of business resulting from my action. Whether one of them is classed as a felony in some jurisdiction or not doesn't matter, what matters is that one is simply not a crime. Violating a license agreement usually is not a crime (and if done in good faith, is often considered a bug to be fixed, not a suit to be pressed - but that does NOT apply here), hence the analogies to criminal action somewhat break down. That said, though, offering in public to rip someone off is just as unwise as offering in public to commit a crime. ChrisA -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Illegal suggestions on python list
Am Donnerstag, 4. Juli 2013 19:10:07 UTC+2 schrieb rusi: > On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 9:16 PM, Steven D'Aprano > wrote: >> On Thu, 04 Jul 2013 07:02:26 -0700, rusi wrote: >>> ... >>> Note that you are not objecting to the crime >> >> Which crime is that? Presumably you mean an actual criminal felony, not a >> mere civil offence. Under which jurisdiction? > > You've got your OO class hierarchy mixed up and then imposing that on me. > See > http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/crimes-felonies-misdemeanors- > infractions-classification-33814.html Oh, sorry, we forgot, that the US legal system is the only one applicable to the internt (and of course to the whole world). LOL -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
