Re: Is Forth for real?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : rickman wrote: The original post seems to be missing, but my answer to the title question is, No, Forth is not real. Not for real, for Integer. No, it's for me and you (well, perhaps more for you than for me). But 4IM is forever mine :) Amicalement, Astrobe -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Is Forth for real?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: rickman wrote: The original post seems to be missing, but my answer to the title question is, No, Forth is not real. Not for real, for Integer. :-) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Is Forth for real?
Cameron Laird wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Steven D'Aprano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . . . on the web for each language. By comparison, even Forth gives 13 million plus hits, and who uses Forth? . . . The programmers of, among other things, the FedEx bar-code reader, the Sun boot loader, and parts of the Space Shuttle. The original post seems to be missing, but my answer to the title question is, No, Forth is not real. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Is Forth for real?
rickman wrote: The original post seems to be missing, but my answer to the title question is, No, Forth is not real. Not for real, for Integer. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Is Forth for real?
Steven D'Aprano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I love Forth. I'm no good at thinking at that low count-the-bytes level, but if I was, I'd much prefer to use Forth than C or assembly. I've got a bunch of Forth books here, and when I'm bored I read them for entertainment, and dream. I love the fact that Forth is still in use. But I'm under no illusions that there are millions of Forth developers getting paid to write in Forth. If you like Forth, take a look at PostScript. Most people think of PostScript as a print file format and don't realize it's a real programming language. Variables, functions, loops, if statements, and all that good stuff. The syntax is very Forth-like. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Is Forth for real?
Roy If you like Forth, take a look at PostScript. I miss NeWS... :-( Skip -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Is Forth for real?
Steven D'Aprano schrieb: On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 17:08:02 +, Cameron Laird wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Steven D'Aprano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on the web for each language. By comparison, even Forth gives 13 million plus hits, and who uses Forth? 13m hits for forth as in set forth, firth of forth etc. . The programmers of, among other things, the FedEx bar-code reader, the Sun boot loader, and parts of the Space Shuttle. You missed Apple's boot loader. And LOTs of small tools, scripts, analyzers written in Forth, because it has such a nice evaluate, beating e.g. JavaScript evaluate by a speed advantage around 1000 or more... You can feed that with a datastream such as 123.50 MONITOR Rx 03 DC 0A 0D 124.00 COMMS Tx 01 A5 ...and convert such stuff into XML, SVG or any representation you like. Very useful (and fast) e.g. for automotive applications. I love Forth. I'm no good at thinking at that low count-the-bytes level, but if I was, I'd much prefer to use Forth than C or assembly. I've got a bunch of Forth books here, and when I'm bored I read them for entertainment, and dream. I love the fact that Forth is still in use. But I'm under no illusions that there are millions of Forth developers getting paid to write in Forth. Maybe a few hundred - and then some thousands who write their utils in Forth during their paid time... Daniel -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Is Forth for real?
Cameron Laird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Steven D'Aprano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . . . on the web for each language. By comparison, even Forth gives 13 million plus hits, and who uses Forth? . . . The programmers of, among other things, the FedEx bar-code reader, the Sun boot loader, and parts of the Space Shuttle. We have several thousand customers, although we don't hear from them enough to know how active they are. Most of them are doing embedded systems (such as the FedEx package tracker), although there are also quite a few doing Windows apps. A lot of our embedded work is for aerospace and government customers, plus a number in the private sector. All the DirecTV uplink antennas are controlled by one of our systems made by VertexRSI, http://www.tripointglobal.com/vertexrsi.html. Another really neat customer is Sunrise Systems, http://www.sunrisesystems.com/index.htm. They make moving displays, and are working on one for one of the rebuilt World Trade Center bldgs, one to be installed in Switzerland next month, and something for Disney World. Open Firmware has already been mentioned, and I should add that IBM's high-end servers also use it. I teach Forth courses there once or twice a year, and have trained a couple hundred engineers in IBM alone. You can get more info on our web site www.forth.com, including a link to a paper presenting a history of Forth. Cheers, Elizabeth -- == Elizabeth D. Rather (US Canada) 800-55-FORTH FORTH Inc. +1 310-491-3356 5155 W. Rosecrans Ave. #1018 Fax: +1 310-978-9454 Hawthorne, CA 90250 http://www.forth.com Forth-based products and Services for real-time applications since 1973. == -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
