Re: Little novice program written in Python
On 04/25/2008 01:09 AM, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote: On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 21:31:15 -0300, Rogério Brito [EMAIL PROTECTED] declaimed the following in comp.lang.python: a = [i for i in range(0,n+1)] Uhm... At least in 2.4 and earlier, range() returns a list... No need for the list-comp in that era... range() also begins with 0 Thanks for the suggestion. As I stated in my original message, I'm only side-learning Python, and I naturally think in list-comprehensions (it is like a set in Mathematics and you've seen that my program is Mathematical in its nature). This is exactly the kind of suggestion that I was looking for. Thanks, Rogério. -- Rogério Brito : [EMAIL PROTECTED],ime.usp}.br : GPG key 1024D/7C2CAEB8 http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito : http://meusite.mackenzie.com.br/rbrito Projects: algorithms.berlios.de : lame.sf.net : vrms.alioth.debian.org -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Little novice program written in Python
On 04/25/2008 01:30 AM, Steve Holden wrote: Rogério Brito wrote: I'm just getting my feet wet on Python and, just for starters, I'm coding some elementary number theory algorithms (yes, I know that most of them are already implemented as modules, but this is an exercise in learning the language idioms). Your Python is actually pretty good - if Raymond Hettinger pronounces it OK then few would dare to disagree. Thank you. As for your English, though, the word you sought was Pythonic (not that you will ever find such a word in Webster's dictionary). To suggest that your code is Pythonesque would mean you found it farcical or ridiculous (like a Monty Python sketch), which it clearly is not. I didn't know about the pejorative meaning of Pythonesque. :-) Thanks for the comment on my English (which should be obvious that I'm not a native speaker). PS: I think either my mailer or yours has mangled the indentation. I think that it was mine. Thanks, Rogério Brito. -- Rogério Brito : [EMAIL PROTECTED],ime.usp}.br : GPG key 1024D/7C2CAEB8 http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito : http://meusite.mackenzie.com.br/rbrito Projects: algorithms.berlios.de : lame.sf.net : vrms.alioth.debian.org -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Little novice program written in Python
On 04/25/2008 05:00 AM, John Machin wrote: On Apr 25, 5:44 pm, Robert Bossy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the OP insists in not examining a[0] and a[1], this will do exactly the same as the while version: for p in a[2:]: if p: print p ... at the cost of almost doubling the amount of memory required. Yes, despite the asymptotic consumption of memory being the same, the practical one is also a concern. And in my original version of that loop (sketched in paper) was a for loop, but with C syntax. -- Rogério Brito : [EMAIL PROTECTED],ime.usp}.br : GPG key 1024D/7C2CAEB8 http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito : http://meusite.mackenzie.com.br/rbrito Projects: algorithms.berlios.de : lame.sf.net : vrms.alioth.debian.org -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Little novice program written in Python
On 04/25/2008 09:30 AM, Nick Craig-Wood wrote: When you are up to speed in python I suggest you check out gmpy for number theory algorithms. Thanks. That is quite useful to know when I don't want to code explicitly the details of the algorithm. Thanks, Rogério. -- Rogério Brito : [EMAIL PROTECTED],ime.usp}.br : GPG key 1024D/7C2CAEB8 http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito : http://meusite.mackenzie.com.br/rbrito Projects: algorithms.berlios.de : lame.sf.net : vrms.alioth.debian.org -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Little novice program written in Python
Rogério Brito wrote: i = 2 while i = n: if a[i] != 0: print a[i] i += 1 You can spell this as a for-loop: for p in a: if p: print p It isn't exactly equivalent, but gives the same output as we know that a[0] and a[1] are also 0. Peter -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Little novice program written in Python
Peter Otten wrote: Rogério Brito wrote: i = 2 while i = n: if a[i] != 0: print a[i] i += 1 You can spell this as a for-loop: for p in a: if p: print p It isn't exactly equivalent, but gives the same output as we know that a[0] and a[1] are also 0. If the OP insists in not examining a[0] and a[1], this will do exactly the same as the while version: for p in a[2:]: if p: print p Cheers, RB -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Little novice program written in Python
On Apr 25, 5:44 pm, Robert Bossy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter Otten wrote: Rogério Brito wrote: i = 2 while i = n: if a[i] != 0: print a[i] i += 1 You can spell this as a for-loop: for p in a: if p: print p It isn't exactly equivalent, but gives the same output as we know that a[0] and a[1] are also 0. If the OP insists in not examining a[0] and a[1], this will do exactly the same as the while version: for p in a[2:]: if p: print p ... at the cost of almost doubling the amount of memory required. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Little novice program written in Python
John Machin wrote: On Apr 25, 5:44 pm, Robert Bossy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter Otten wrote: Rogério Brito wrote: i = 2 while i = n: if a[i] != 0: print a[i] i += 1 You can spell this as a for-loop: for p in a: if p: print p It isn't exactly equivalent, but gives the same output as we know that a[0] and a[1] are also 0. If the OP insists in not examining a[0] and a[1], this will do exactly the same as the while version: for p in a[2:]: if p: print p ... at the cost of almost doubling the amount of memory required. Indeed. Would it be a sensible proposal that sequence slices should return an iterator instead of a list? RB -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Little novice program written in Python
Rogério Brito: Hi, All. I'm just getting my feet wet on Python and, just for starters, I'm coding some elementary number theory algorithms (yes, I know that most of them are already implemented as modules, but this is an exercise in learning the language idioms). As you can see from the code below, my background is in C, without too much sophistication. What I would like is to receive some criticism to my code to make it more Python'esque and, possibly, use the resources of the computer in a more efficient way (the algorithm implemented below is the Sieve of Eratosthenes): my variant of the sieve def GetPrimes(N): arr = [] for i in range(1,N+1): arr.append(i) #Set first item to 0, because 1 is not a prime arr[0]=0 #sieve processing s=2 while s math.sqrt(N): if arr[s-1] != 0: j = s*s while j = N: arr[j-1] = 0 j += s s += 1 return [x for x in arr if x != 0] -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Little novice program written in Python
also, i would recommend you to visit projecteuler.net you can solve math tasks and then see how others have done the same. you can fetch very good and pythonic solution there. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Little novice program written in Python
hellt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: my variant of the sieve Since you posted it, you are also looking for advice to improve your code ;) def GetPrimes(N): arr = [] for i in range(1,N+1): arr.append(i) This is the same as: arr = range(1, N+1) !-) #Set first item to 0, because 1 is not a prime arr[0]=0 #sieve processing s=2 remove this line while s math.sqrt(N): for s in xrange(2, int(math.sqrt(N))+1): if arr[s-1] != 0: if arr[s-1]: j = s*s remove this line while j = N: for j in xrange(s*s, N+1, s): arr[j-1] = 0 j += s remove this line s += 1 remove this line return [x for x in arr if x != 0] return filter(None, arr) Altogether now: def getprimes(N): arr = range(1, N+1) arr[0] = 0 for s in xrange(2, int(math.sqrt(N))+1): if arr[s-1]: for j in xrange(s*s, N+1, s): arr[j-1] = 0 return filter(None, arr) It's the same, but it looks a bit less like the litteral translation of some C code. Lastly, the lines: for j in xrange(s*s, N+1, s): arr[j-1] = 0 from above can be condensed using extended slices: arr[s*s-1 : N+1 : s] = [0] * (N/s - s + 1) (If I can count correctly) Giving the following, slightly shorter and probably faster: def getprimes(N): arr = range(1, N+1) arr[0] = 0 for s in xrange(2, int(math.sqrt(N))+1): if arr[s-1]: arr[s*s-1 : N+1 : s] = [0] * (N/s - s + 1) return filter(None, arr) If it was me, I would include 0 in the array, giving the slightly simpler: def getprimes(N): arr = range(N+1) arr[1] = 0 for s in xrange(2, int(math.sqrt(N))+1): if arr[s]: arr[s*s : N+1 : s] = [0] * (N/s - s + 1) return filter(None, arr) (I think) This all needs to be tested. -- Arnaud -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Little novice program written in Python
On 25 апр, 13:29, Arnaud Delobelle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hellt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: my variant of the sieve Since you posted it, you are also looking for advice to improve your code ;) def GetPrimes(N): arr = [] for i in range(1,N+1): arr.append(i) This is the same as: arr = range(1, N+1) !-) #Set first item to 0, because 1 is not a prime arr[0]=0 #sieve processing s=2 remove this line while s math.sqrt(N): for s in xrange(2, int(math.sqrt(N))+1): if arr[s-1] != 0: if arr[s-1]: j = s*s remove this line while j = N: for j in xrange(s*s, N+1, s): arr[j-1] = 0 j += s remove this line s += 1 remove this line return [x for x in arr if x != 0] return filter(None, arr) Altogether now: def getprimes(N): arr = range(1, N+1) arr[0] = 0 for s in xrange(2, int(math.sqrt(N))+1): if arr[s-1]: for j in xrange(s*s, N+1, s): arr[j-1] = 0 return filter(None, arr) It's the same, but it looks a bit less like the litteral translation of some C code. Lastly, the lines: for j in xrange(s*s, N+1, s): arr[j-1] = 0 from above can be condensed using extended slices: arr[s*s-1 : N+1 : s] = [0] * (N/s - s + 1) (If I can count correctly) Giving the following, slightly shorter and probably faster: def getprimes(N): arr = range(1, N+1) arr[0] = 0 for s in xrange(2, int(math.sqrt(N))+1): if arr[s-1]: arr[s*s-1 : N+1 : s] = [0] * (N/s - s + 1) return filter(None, arr) If it was me, I would include 0 in the array, giving the slightly simpler: def getprimes(N): arr = range(N+1) arr[1] = 0 for s in xrange(2, int(math.sqrt(N))+1): if arr[s]: arr[s*s : N+1 : s] = [0] * (N/s - s + 1) return filter(None, arr) (I think) This all needs to be tested. -- Arnaud nice, but i'm a newbie to python too, so some things for me seems a liitle complicated))) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Little novice program written in Python
On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 10:24:16 +0200, Robert Bossy wrote: John Machin wrote: On Apr 25, 5:44 pm, Robert Bossy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter Otten wrote: If the OP insists in not examining a[0] and a[1], this will do exactly the same as the while version: for p in a[2:]: if p: print p ... at the cost of almost doubling the amount of memory required. Indeed. Would it be a sensible proposal that sequence slices should return an iterator instead of a list? I don't think so as that would break tons of code that relies on the current behavior. Take a look at `itertools.islice()` if you want/need an iterator. Ciao, Marc 'BlackJack' Rintsch -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Little novice program written in Python
On 25 апр, 15:02, Max M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rogério Brito skrev: Hi, All. What I would like is to receive some criticism to my code to make it more Python'esque and, possibly, use the resources of the computer in a more efficient way (the algorithm implemented below is the Sieve of Eratosthenes): I agree with the rest here. Your code generally looks fine. But on another note, this type of code is not something you often see in Python. It is very dense with regard to algorithm. Most code is not like that so perhaps you should try something more usual like sending email, fetching webpages etc. to get a feel for the language. -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science em, i would say, that python (esp. with NumPy+Psyco) is very popular in numerical processing also. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Little novice program written in Python
Rogério Brito skrev: Hi, All. What I would like is to receive some criticism to my code to make it more Python'esque and, possibly, use the resources of the computer in a more efficient way (the algorithm implemented below is the Sieve of Eratosthenes): I agree with the rest here. Your code generally looks fine. But on another note, this type of code is not something you often see in Python. It is very dense with regard to algorithm. Most code is not like that so perhaps you should try something more usual like sending email, fetching webpages etc. to get a feel for the language. -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Little novice program written in Python
Rogério Brito [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm just getting my feet wet on Python and, just for starters, I'm coding some elementary number theory algorithms (yes, I know that most of them are already implemented as modules, but this is an exercise in learning the language idioms). When you are up to speed in python I suggest you check out gmpy for number theory algorithms. Eg :- import gmpy p = 2 while 1: print p p = gmpy.next_prime(p) -- Nick Craig-Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.craig-wood.com/nick -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Little novice program written in Python
hellt skrev: Most code is not like that so perhaps you should try something more usual like sending email, fetching webpages etc. to get a feel for the language. em, i would say, that python (esp. with NumPy+Psyco) is very popular in numerical processing also. I know, and I might be way of, but I would believe that even that would be more like stringing ready built modules together, calling methods etc. I have written far denser code that the above example in Python regularly. But It is like 1%-5% of my code I believe. Unlike the c family of languages where there is a lot more algorithms due to the low level coding. Memory handling, list, dicts etc. qickly becomes more like math algorithms than in Python. -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Little novice program written in Python
Marc 'BlackJack' Rintsch wrote: Indeed. Would it be a sensible proposal that sequence slices should return an iterator instead of a list? I don't think so as that would break tons of code that relies on the current behavior. Take a look at `itertools.islice()` if you want/need an iterator. A pity, imvho. Though I can live with islice() even if it is not as powerful as the [:] notation. RB -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Little novice program written in Python
What I would like is to receive some criticism to my code to make it more Python'esque and, possibly, use the resources of the computer in a more efficient way (the algorithm implemented below is the Sieve of Eratosthenes): It looks like straight-forward code and is fine as it stands. If you want to tweak it a bit, you can avoid using a flag like finished by using a break-statement. Raymond -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Little novice program written in Python
Rogério Brito wrote: Hi, All. I'm just getting my feet wet on Python and, just for starters, I'm coding some elementary number theory algorithms (yes, I know that most of them are already implemented as modules, but this is an exercise in learning the language idioms). As you can see from the code below, my background is in C, without too much sophistication. What I would like is to receive some criticism to my code to make it more Python'esque and, possibly, use the resources of the computer in a more efficient way (the algorithm implemented below is the Sieve of Eratosthenes): - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - #!/usr/bin/env python n = int(raw_input()) a = [i for i in range(0,n+1)] a[1] = 0 # not a prime prime = 1 # last used prime finished = False while (not finished): prime = prime + 1 # find new prime while prime*prime = n and a[prime] == 0: prime += 1 # cross the composite numbers if prime*prime = n: j = 2*prime while j = n: a[j] = 0 j += prime else: finished = True # print out the prime numbers i = 2 while i = n: if a[i] != 0: print a[i] i += 1 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Thank you for any help in improving this program, Your Python is actually pretty good - if Raymond Hettinger pronounces it OK then few would dare to disagree. As for your English, though, the word you sought was Pythonic (not that you will ever find such a word in Webster's dictionary). To suggest that your code is Pythonesque would mean you found it farcical or ridiculous (like a Monty Python sketch), which it clearly is not. Another wrinkle you might consider is simply printing the primes out as they are generated rather than doing the printing in a separate loop, though whether that approach would be preferable in real life would depend on the application, of course. regards Steve PS: I think either my mailer or yours has mangled the indentation. -- Steve Holden+1 571 484 6266 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC http://www.holdenweb.com/ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Little novice program written in Python
On Apr 24, 11:09 pm, Dennis Lee Bieber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 21:31:15 -0300, Rogério Brito [EMAIL PROTECTED] declaimed the following in comp.lang.python: a = [i for i in range(0,n+1)] Uhm... At least in 2.4 and earlier, range() returns a list... No need for the list-comp in that era... range() also begins with 0 n = 5 a = range(n+1) a [0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5] So just a = range(n+1) could be used. Of course, if using a version where range() and xrange() have been unified... c = list(xrange(n+1)) c [0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5] -- Wulfraed Dennis Lee Bieber KD6MOG [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] HTTP://wlfraed.home.netcom.com/ (Bestiaria Support Staff: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) HTTP://www.bestiaria.com/ You're talking hardware-native, which machines don't guarantee. Python can in another dimension of machine compatibility. Stacks are hardware native, the location of an array is not. Python can retrieve your stack in higher dimensions. Fortunately, Python's community is sturdy against counterproductivity en masse, so it's okay to hairbrain it. Cover features of improvements, though, and you might get a Bayes Net change to make and courses to steer. The community values the flexibility of machine- independency too. However, real numbers are not integers, so opinion mass of integer algorithms may favor C. But you just need micro-sales (and scales!) to examine the future of Python. Welcome to our group. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
