Re: Meta question: disappearing posts (was Re: calculating aself.value, self.randomnum = normalvariate(x, y))
In article mailman.2045.1245831161.8015.python-l...@python.org, Hendrik van Rooyen m...@microcorp.co.za wrote: I have lately had some posts returned with a seems to be forged message. Two reasons for that: - first is if I use the smtp server from our local telco - saix - then there is no apparent relationship between where the message comes from and where it comes from, if you follow my Irish... - Second is if the same telco assigns me an IP that has been put on a list of bad boy IPs. So it is kind of pot luck if you see this message or not. Sorry, didn't see it. ;-) -- Aahz (a...@pythoncraft.com) * http://www.pythoncraft.com/ as long as we like the same operating system, things are cool. --piranha -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Meta question: disappearing posts (was Re: calculating a self.value, self.randomnum = normalvariate(x, y))
Ross Ridge rri...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: I'm not sure what MIME would have to do with it, but Piet van Oostrum's problem is almost certainly as result of the python.org mail to news gateway mangling the References header. The missing postings he's looking for don't actually exist. Just go up the thread one more posting and you'll find the message that was being replied to. In article h1s5l1$79...@panix3.panix.com, Aahz a...@pythoncraft.com wrote: While that's also a bug in Mailman (I have a long-standing to-do item to fix that), there are also plenty of posts that simply aren't showing up in c.l.py. Well, the message IDs that Piet van Oostrum gave are symptomatic of the References header bug and and just like he described, my newsreader also shows Dennis Lee Bieber always replying to posts that don't exist. Other messages might be getting eaten by the gateway, but the missing posts that Piet is complaining about almost certainly never existed. Ross Ridge -- l/ // Ross Ridge -- The Great HTMU [oo][oo] rri...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca -()-/()/ http://www.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/~rridge/ db // -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Meta question: disappearing posts (was Re: calculating a self.value, self.randomnum = normalvariate(x, y))
In article h1o1dk$hm...@rumours.uwaterloo.ca, Ross Ridge rri...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: Aahz a...@pythoncraft.com wrote: Piet van Oostrum p...@cs.uu.nl wrote: I notice that I see several postings on news:comp.lang.python that are replies to other postings that I don't see. As stated previously, my suspicion is that at least some is caused by a problem with MIME messages and the mail-news gateway on python.org. I'm not sure what MIME would have to do with it, but Piet van Oostrum's problem is almost certainly as result of the python.org mail to news gateway mangling the References header. The missing postings he's looking for don't actually exist. Just go up the thread one more posting and you'll find the message that was being replied to. While that's also a bug in Mailman (I have a long-standing to-do item to fix that), there are also plenty of posts that simply aren't showing up in c.l.py. As I said, I'm pretty sure (based on what was happening with c.l.py.announce) that it's some kind of weird problem with the mail-news gateway with MIME posts. -- Aahz (a...@pythoncraft.com) * http://www.pythoncraft.com/ as long as we like the same operating system, things are cool. --piranha -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Meta question: disappearing posts (was Re: calculating a self.value, self.randomnum = normalvariate(x, y))
Piet van Oostrum p...@cs.uu.nl wrote: I notice that I see several postings on news:comp.lang.python that are replies to other postings that I don't see. Aahz a...@pythoncraft.com wrote: As stated previously, my suspicion is that at least some is caused by a problem with MIME messages and the mail-news gateway on python.org. I'm not sure what MIME would have to do with it, but Piet van Oostrum's problem is almost certainly as result of the python.org mail to news gateway mangling the References header. The missing postings he's looking for don't actually exist. Just go up the thread one more posting and you'll find the message that was being replied to. Ross Ridge -- l/ // Ross Ridge -- The Great HTMU [oo][oo] rri...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca -()-/()/ http://www.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/~rridge/ db // -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Meta question: disappearing posts (was Re: calculating a self.value, self.randomnum = normalvariate(x, y))
On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 5:25 AM, Piet van Oostrump...@cs.uu.nl wrote: I notice that I see several postings on news:comp.lang.python that are replies to other postings that I don't see. Examples are the postings by Dennis Lee Bieber wlfr...@ix.netcom.com that I am replying to (but I As addressed in an earlier thread, Mr. Bieber chooses to set a Usenet header (X-Noarchive) in his postings that suppresses their permanent archiving (and often the archiving of replies to his posts). I would direct you to the thread, but it looks like it wasn't archived. :P Cheers, Chris -- http://blog.rebertia.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Meta question: disappearing posts
Chris Rebert c...@rebertia.com (CR) wrote: CR On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 5:25 AM, Piet van Oostrump...@cs.uu.nl wrote: I notice that I see several postings on news:comp.lang.python that are replies to other postings that I don't see. Examples are the postings by Dennis Lee Bieber wlfr...@ix.netcom.com that I am replying to (but I CR As addressed in an earlier thread, Mr. Bieber chooses to set a Usenet CR header (X-Noarchive) in his postings that suppresses their permanent CR archiving (and often the archiving of replies to his posts). CR I would direct you to the thread, but it looks like it wasn't archived. :P Actually, I do see Mr. Bieber's posts, but not the ones he replies to. And I am not talking about the archives but about the regular NNTP server, although the retention period somewhere along the path could be so low that posts disappear before they reach us. Anyway, as I saw gmane mentioned in the replies I wondered if that would have something to do with the problem. -- Piet van Oostrum p...@cs.uu.nl URL: http://pietvanoostrum.com [PGP 8DAE142BE17999C4] Private email: p...@vanoostrum.org -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Meta question: disappearing posts (was Re: calculating a self.value, self.randomnum = normalvariate(x, y))
Piet van Oostrum wrote: I notice that I see several postings on news:comp.lang.python that are replies to other postings that I don't see. Examples are the postings by Dennis Lee Bieber wlfr...@ix.netcom.com that I am replying to (but I break the thread on purpose). For example the posting with Message-ID: mailman.1883.1245538633.8015.python-l...@python.org references: 77e831100906192220y5536d9d2oe5ca2dcc59084...@mail.gmail.com which is not present on my news server. I have been wondering why these disappear, and I noticed the following in the Dennis Lee Bieber posting: On Sat, 20 Jun 2009 11:48:21 -0600, Vincent Davis vinc...@vincentdavis.net declaimed the following in gmane.comp.python.general: So apparently some of these come through gmane.comp.python.general. I am posting and reading thru gmane and generally see no problem. Sometimes I do see replies before the posting being replied. Sometimes certain posts get 'echoed' about week after the original posting date. If a reply gets echoed, but not the original, and one missed both originally, that can look weird. tjr So my question is: would this be the cause of these disappearing postings? Are postings on gmane.comp.python.general not relayed to comp.lang.python? Are they relayed to the python mailing list? I find it quite disturbing that sometimes only half of a discussion is visible. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Meta question: disappearing posts (was Re: calculating a self.value, self.randomnum = normalvariate(x, y))
Piet van Oostrum wrote: I notice that I see several postings on news:comp.lang.python that are replies to other postings that I don't see. I see the same problem. I suspect it's because of over-vigorous spam filtering from Usenet providers. Some even block everything from anyone using Google Groups. It's quite frustrating, to have perfectly valid Python-related posts go missing while dozens of posts offering to sell well-known brands of shoes and watches are delivered. -- Steven -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Meta question: disappearing posts (was Re: calculating a self.value, self.randomnum = normalvariate(x, y))
Dennis Lee Bieber wrote: unless one is reading from a server that interprets X-no-archive to mean delete before reading. Can't be too careful with security. Destroy it, memorize it and then read it! -- Greg -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Meta question: disappearing posts (was Re: calculating a self.value, self.randomnum = normalvariate(x, y))
In article m21vpddb9y.fsf...@cs.uu.nl, Piet van Oostrum p...@cs.uu.nl wrote: I notice that I see several postings on news:comp.lang.python that are replies to other postings that I don't see. As stated previously, my suspicion is that at least some is caused by a problem with MIME messages and the mail-news gateway on python.org. -- Aahz (a...@pythoncraft.com) * http://www.pythoncraft.com/ as long as we like the same operating system, things are cool. --piranha -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
