Re: Python 2.6, GUI not working on vista?
On Oct 2, 2:27 pm, process <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > i just downloaded 2.6 and when running the gui nothing happens. > > anyone else with the same problem? I have no idea what "gui" you're referring to. However, when I try to run Python on vista, I get: The application has failed to start because its side-by-side configuration is incorrect. Please see the application event log for more detail. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python 2.6, GUI not working on vista?
On Oct 2, 1:27 pm, process <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > i just downloaded 2.6 and when running the gui nothing happens. I assume you mean IDLE won't run. > > anyone else with the same problem? Yes. Here's how I fixed it: First of all, there's a note on the Python page that says Vista Note Administrators installing Python for all users on Windows Vista either need to be logged in as Administrator, or use the runas command, as in: runas /user:Administrator "msiexec /i \.msi" Now, you MIGHT think that this doesn't apply to you because you're the only user of this Vista machine. BUT -- apparently, IDLE won't run unless you set it up for ALL users (even though there aren't any others). So you HAVE to use the the note suggested. Only by default, THE NOTE WILL NOT WORK! Because, by default, the Administrator account is DISABLED on a Vista install. And having "administrator" priveleges doesn't make you equivalent to THE Adminstrator. Fucking Microsoft assholes. To use the suggested install note, you MUST enable the Administrator account (and I think it's NECESSARY to assign it a password if you want to use the "runas" command). You can easily find out how to do this, just Google "Vista"+"Administrator"+"enable" to find lots of examples. I don't happen to remember it. If you can't figger it out, post a note here and I'll look it up when I get home. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python 2.6, GUI not working on vista?
Hi! Another way is to de-activate UAC. @-salutations -- Michel Claveau -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python 2.6, GUI not working on vista?
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Michel Claveau - NoSpam SVP ; merci wrote: > Another way is to de-activate UAC. Please don't be stupid! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python 2.6, GUI not working on vista?
* Lawrence D'Oliveiro (Sun, 05 Oct 2008 22:13:46 +1300) > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Michel Claveau - NoSpam > SVP ; merci wrote: > > > Another way is to de-activate UAC. > > Please don't be stupid! He's not stupid. Disabling UAC is the recommended way to get rid of these problems. Thorsten -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python 2.6, GUI not working on vista?
Thorsten Kampe wrote: > * Lawrence D'Oliveiro (Sun, 05 Oct 2008 22:13:46 +1300) >> In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Michel Claveau - NoSpam >> SVP ; merci wrote: >> >>> Another way is to de-activate UAC. >> Please don't be stupid! > > He's not stupid. Disabling UAC is the recommended way to get rid of > these problems. > Microsoft have now admitted that they implemented UAC not to improve security but to cause complaints from customers so that application vendors would stop their programs from taking actions that needed UAC confirmation. http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080411-vistas-uac-security-prompt-was-designed-to-annoy-you.html regards Steve -- Steve Holden+1 571 484 6266 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC http://www.holdenweb.com/ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python 2.6, GUI not working on vista?
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Thorsten Kampe wrote: > * Lawrence D'Oliveiro (Sun, 05 Oct 2008 22:13:46 +1300) > >> In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Michel Claveau - >> NoSpam SVP ; merci wrote: >> >> > Another way is to de-activate UAC. >> >> Please don't be stupid! > > He's not stupid. Disabling UAC is the recommended way to get rid of > these problems. Disabling UAC is NOT recommended. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python 2.6, GUI not working on vista?
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Thorsten Kampe >wrote: > >> * Lawrence D'Oliveiro (Sun, 05 Oct 2008 22:13:46 +1300) >> >>> In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Michel Claveau - >>> NoSpam SVP ; merci wrote: >>> >>> > Another way is to de-activate UAC. >>> >>> Please don't be stupid! >> >> He's not stupid. Disabling UAC is the recommended way to get rid of >> these problems. > >Disabling UAC is NOT recommended. That depends entirely on your audience. For developers, UAC is provably detrimental to productivity. I have no hesitation recommending its disablement in that case. As a driver developer, I use Device Manager a LOT. It didn't take me long to pull the plug. Now, if you have an office floor full of secretaries and salesmen, then I think they SHOULD be frightned if they touch the wrong buttons. -- Tim Roberts, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providenza & Boekelheide, Inc. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python 2.6, GUI not working on vista?
* Lawrence D'Oliveiro (Mon, 06 Oct 2008 23:18:10 +1300) > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Thorsten Kampe > wrote: > > * Lawrence D'Oliveiro (Sun, 05 Oct 2008 22:13:46 +1300) > > > >> In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Michel Claveau - > >> NoSpam SVP ; merci wrote: > >> > >> > Another way is to de-activate UAC. > >> > >> Please don't be stupid! > > > > He's not stupid. Disabling UAC is the recommended way to get rid of > > these problems. > > Disabling UAC is NOT recommended. YOU don't recommend it. I don't "recommend" it either - all the people I know (and this includes Microsoft techsupport people) do it anyway without recommendation. Thorsten -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python 2.6, GUI not working on vista?
On Oct 7, 12:40 pm, Thorsten Kampe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > * Lawrence D'Oliveiro (Mon, 06 Oct 2008 23:18:10 +1300) > > > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Thorsten Kampe > > wrote: > > > * Lawrence D'Oliveiro (Sun, 05 Oct 2008 22:13:46 +1300) > > > >> In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Michel Claveau - > > >> NoSpam SVP ; merci wrote: > > > >> > Another way is to de-activate UAC. > > > >> Please don't be stupid! > > > > He's not stupid. Disabling UAC is the recommended way to get rid of > > > these problems. > > > Disabling UAC is NOT recommended. > > YOU don't recommend it. I don't "recommend" it either - all the people I > know (and this includes Microsoft techsupport people) do it anyway > without recommendation. Be that as it may, it is still enabled by default, isn't it? So advice that requires it to be disabled (or the Administrator account enabled) ought to mention such a pertinent fact, shouldn't it? > > Thorsten -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python 2.6, GUI not working on vista?
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Tim Roberts wrote: > Lawrence D'Oliveiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Thorsten Kampe >>wrote: >> >>> * Lawrence D'Oliveiro (Sun, 05 Oct 2008 22:13:46 +1300) >>> In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Michel Claveau - NoSpam SVP ; merci wrote: > Another way is to de-activate UAC. Please don't be stupid! >>> >>> He's not stupid. Disabling UAC is the recommended way to get rid of >>> these problems. >> >>Disabling UAC is NOT recommended. > > That depends entirely on your audience. For developers, UAC is provably > detrimental to productivity. I have no hesitation recommending its > disablement in that case. As a driver developer, I use Device Manager a > LOT. It didn't take me long to pull the plug. Is that why Dimdows device drivers are so crap? Because they're written by people like you, who think they know better than Microsoft? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python 2.6, GUI not working on vista?
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Thorsten Kampe wrote: > * Lawrence D'Oliveiro (Mon, 06 Oct 2008 23:18:10 +1300) > >> In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Thorsten Kampe >> wrote: >>> >>> * Lawrence D'Oliveiro (Sun, 05 Oct 2008 22:13:46 +1300) >>> In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Michel Claveau - NoSpam SVP ; merci wrote: > Another way is to de-activate UAC. Please don't be stupid! >>> >>> He's not stupid. Disabling UAC is the recommended way to get rid of >>> these problems. >> >> Disabling UAC is NOT recommended. > > YOU don't recommend it. I don't "recommend" it either - all the people I > know (and this includes Microsoft techsupport people) do it anyway > without recommendation. I find that hard to believe. Any company that would spend so much time and effort developing and promoting such a feature on one hand, while quietly disabling it on the other hand, would have to be sick. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python 2.6, GUI not working on vista?
Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Thorsten Kampe > wrote: > >> * Lawrence D'Oliveiro (Mon, 06 Oct 2008 23:18:10 +1300) >> >>> In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Thorsten Kampe >>> wrote: * Lawrence D'Oliveiro (Sun, 05 Oct 2008 22:13:46 +1300) > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Michel Claveau - > NoSpam SVP ; merci wrote: > >> Another way is to de-activate UAC. > Please don't be stupid! He's not stupid. Disabling UAC is the recommended way to get rid of these problems. >>> Disabling UAC is NOT recommended. >> YOU don't recommend it. I don't "recommend" it either - all the people I >> know (and this includes Microsoft techsupport people) do it anyway >> without recommendation. > > I find that hard to believe. Any company that would spend so much time and > effort developing and promoting such a feature on one hand, while quietly > disabling it on the other hand, would have to be sick. Well, that's certainly a more realistic assessment of Microsoft. Though in fact they are just a big company with a huge backward compatibility anchor. Just in case you jumped in without reading this whole thread, I repeat: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080411-vistas-uac-security-prompt-was-designed-to-annoy-you.html regards Steve -- Steve Holden+1 571 484 6266 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC http://www.holdenweb.com/ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python 2.6, GUI not working on vista?
Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: [...] > Is that why Dimdows device drivers are so crap? Because they're written by > people like you, who think they know better than Microsoft? Why the hostility? Dimdows device drivers are crap because they live in a crap operating system. Which the majority of computer users are stuck with. regards Steve -- Steve Holden+1 571 484 6266 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC http://www.holdenweb.com/ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python 2.6, GUI not working on vista?
* Lawrence D'Oliveiro (Wed, 08 Oct 2008 10:47:54 +1300) > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Thorsten > Kampe wrote: > > * Lawrence D'Oliveiro (Mon, 06 Oct 2008 23:18:10 +1300) > >> In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Thorsten > >> Kampe wrote: > >>> * Lawrence D'Oliveiro (Sun, 05 Oct 2008 22:13:46 +1300) > >>> > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Michel Claveau - > NoSpam SVP ; merci wrote: > > > Another way is to de-activate UAC. > > Please don't be stupid! > >>> > >>> He's not stupid. Disabling UAC is the recommended way to get rid of > >>> these problems. > >> > >> Disabling UAC is NOT recommended. > > > > YOU don't recommend it. I don't "recommend" it either - all the > > people I know (and this includes Microsoft techsupport people) do it > > anyway without recommendation. > > I find that hard to believe. Any company that would spend so much time > and effort developing and promoting such a feature on one hand, while > quietly disabling it on the other hand, would have to be sick. You can believe what you want. The people who developed UAC don't have to support it. T. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python 2.6, GUI not working on vista?
* Mensanator (Tue, 7 Oct 2008 10:58:24 -0700 (PDT)) > On Oct 7, 12:40 pm, Thorsten Kampe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > * Lawrence D'Oliveiro (Mon, 06 Oct 2008 23:18:10 +1300) > > > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Thorsten Kampe > > > wrote: > > > > * Lawrence D'Oliveiro (Sun, 05 Oct 2008 22:13:46 +1300) > > > > > >> In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Michel Claveau - > > > >> NoSpam SVP ; merci wrote: > > > > > >> > Another way is to de-activate UAC. > > > > > >> Please don't be stupid! > > > > > > He's not stupid. Disabling UAC is the recommended way to get rid of > > > > these problems. > > > > > Disabling UAC is NOT recommended. > > > > YOU don't recommend it. I don't "recommend" it either - all the people I > > know (and this includes Microsoft techsupport people) do it anyway > > without recommendation. > > Be that as it may, it is still enabled by default, isn't it? > > So advice that requires it to be disabled (or the Administrator > account enabled) ought to mention such a pertinent fact, shouldn't it? The fact that it's enabled by default is totally irrelevant for the advise. T. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python 2.6, GUI not working on vista?
On Oct 9, 12:36 pm, Thorsten Kampe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > * Mensanator (Tue, 7 Oct 2008 10:58:24 -0700 (PDT)) > > > > > > > On Oct 7, 12:40 pm, Thorsten Kampe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > * Lawrence D'Oliveiro (Mon, 06 Oct 2008 23:18:10 +1300) > > > > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Thorsten Kampe > > > > wrote: > > > > > * Lawrence D'Oliveiro (Sun, 05 Oct 2008 22:13:46 +1300) > > > > > >> In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Michel Claveau - > > > > >> NoSpam SVP ; merci wrote: > > > > > >> > Another way is to de-activate UAC. > > > > > >> Please don't be stupid! > > > > > > He's not stupid. Disabling UAC is the recommended way to get rid of > > > > > these problems. > > > > > Disabling UAC is NOT recommended. > > > > YOU don't recommend it. I don't "recommend" it either - all the people I > > > know (and this includes Microsoft techsupport people) do it anyway > > > without recommendation. > > > Be that as it may, it is still enabled by default, isn't it? > > > So advice that requires it to be disabled (or the Administrator > > account enabled) ought to mention such a pertinent fact, shouldn't it? > > The fact that it's enabled by default is totally irrelevant for the > advise. You're talking about the wrong fact. The advice doesn't mention UAC. Here, let me quote it to you: Vista Note Administrators installing Python for all users on Windows Vista either need to be logged in as Administrator, or use the runas command, as in: runas /user:Administrator "msiexec /i \.msi" Now, how relevant is the state of the Administrator account for this advice to work? > > T. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python 2.6, GUI not working on vista?
* Mensanator (Thu, 9 Oct 2008 11:03:45 -0700 (PDT)) > On Oct 9, 12:36 pm, Thorsten Kampe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > * Mensanator (Tue, 7 Oct 2008 10:58:24 -0700 (PDT)) > > > On Oct 7, 12:40 pm, Thorsten Kampe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > * Lawrence D'Oliveiro (Mon, 06 Oct 2008 23:18:10 +1300) > > > > > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Thorsten Kampe > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > * Lawrence D'Oliveiro (Sun, 05 Oct 2008 22:13:46 +1300) > > > > > > > >> In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Michel Claveau - > > > > > >> NoSpam SVP ; merci wrote: > > > > > > > >> > Another way is to de-activate UAC. > > > > > > > >> Please don't be stupid! > > > > > > > > He's not stupid. Disabling UAC is the recommended way to get rid of > > > > > > these problems. > > > > > > > Disabling UAC is NOT recommended. > > > > > > YOU don't recommend it. I don't "recommend" it either - all the people I > > > > know (and this includes Microsoft techsupport people) do it anyway > > > > without recommendation. > > > > > Be that as it may, it is still enabled by default, isn't it? > > > > > So advice that requires it to be disabled (or the Administrator > > > account enabled) ought to mention such a pertinent fact, shouldn't it? > > > > The fact that it's enabled by default is totally irrelevant for the > > advise. > > You're talking about the wrong fact. The advice doesn't mention UAC. Michel's advice did. > Here, let me quote it to you: > > Vista Note > Administrators installing Python for all users on > Windows Vista either need to be logged in as > Administrator, or use the runas command, as > in: > > runas /user:Administrator "msiexec /i \.msi" > > > Now, how relevant is the state of the Administrator account > for this advice to work? I don't know. I don't care. I couldn't care less. I say, ignore this advice and disable UAC. Thorsten -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python 2.6, GUI not working on vista?
On Oct 9, 2:09 pm, Thorsten Kampe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > * Mensanator (Thu, 9 Oct 2008 11:03:45 -0700 (PDT)) > > > > > > > On Oct 9, 12:36 pm, Thorsten Kampe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > * Mensanator (Tue, 7 Oct 2008 10:58:24 -0700 (PDT)) > > > > On Oct 7, 12:40 pm, Thorsten Kampe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > * Lawrence D'Oliveiro (Mon, 06 Oct 2008 23:18:10 +1300) > > > > > > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Thorsten Kampe > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > * Lawrence D'Oliveiro (Sun, 05 Oct 2008 22:13:46 +1300) > > > > > > > >> In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Michel Claveau - > > > > > > >> NoSpam SVP ; merci wrote: > > > > > > > >> > Another way is to de-activate UAC. > > > > > > > >> Please don't be stupid! > > > > > > > > He's not stupid. Disabling UAC is the recommended way to get rid > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > these problems. > > > > > > > Disabling UAC is NOT recommended. > > > > > > YOU don't recommend it. I don't "recommend" it either - all the > > > > > people I > > > > > know (and this includes Microsoft techsupport people) do it anyway > > > > > without recommendation. > > > > > Be that as it may, it is still enabled by default, isn't it? > > > > > So advice that requires it to be disabled (or the Administrator > > > > account enabled) ought to mention such a pertinent fact, shouldn't it? > > > > The fact that it's enabled by default is totally irrelevant for the > > > advise. > > > You're talking about the wrong fact. The advice doesn't mention UAC. > > Michel's advice did. Michel's advice isn't on the download page, is it? > > > Here, let me quote it to you: > > > > Vista Note > > Administrators installing Python for all users on > > Windows Vista either need to be logged in as > > Administrator, or use the runas command, as > > in: > > > runas /user:Administrator "msiexec /i \.msi" > > > > > Now, how relevant is the state of the Administrator account > > for this advice to work? > > I don't know. I do. > I don't care. I do. > I couldn't care less. Because I had to do it. > I say, ignore this advice and disable UAC. Fine. Can you then see to it that this is mentioned on the Python download page? > > Thorsten -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python 2.6, GUI not working on vista?
On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 3:48 PM, Mensanator <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Fine. Can you then see to it that this is mentioned on the Python > download page? I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned it in all of the invective, but the right thing to do is to report a bug on http://bugs.python.org. If the documentation for installing under Vista is wrong, file a bug against the docs. If you know the right way to fix the docs, attach a patch. -- Jerry -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python 2.6, GUI not working on vista?
>> I say, ignore this advice and disable UAC. > > Fine. Can you then see to it that this is mentioned on the Python > download page? I think Thorsten's advice is helpful (in the sense that it solves the problem, and is IMO pragmatic also), but I *still* wouldn't put it on the Python download page, for fear of the flak from the security folks who start screaming that the PSF should never give such advice. I would personally think they would be wrong, but still revert giving the advise under public pressure. In any case, Python 2.6.1 will approach this problem in a different way. Regards, Martin -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python 2.6, GUI not working on vista?
> You can believe what you want. The people who developed UAC don't have > to support it. I know for a fact that the implementation is incomplete. In Windows Installer, there is no way (that I know of) to create an MSI file that conditionally turns on UAC, only when the installation actually needs privilege elevation. There is a static bit in the installer that indicates whether the MSI file will do UAC, and there is no way to toggle this bit, e.g. after asking the user whether this is a "for me" installation or "for all users". I set this bit to "no UAC" for 2.6, in order to allow non-privileged installation at all - only to find out that (due to an unrelated problem), the "for me" installation doesn't actually work. I only found out after the release, because nobody bothered reporting this problem during the betas and release candidates. I didn't notice on my Vista machine, because that has VS 2008 installed, in which case the "for me" installation works just fine. If anybody knows how to make the "for me" installation work (i.e. how to set up the manifests that a single copy of the CRT is used both by python26.dll, and all extension modules), please let me know. IOW: HELP! HELP!! HELP!!! Meanwhile: just say no to Vista. Regards, Martin -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python 2.6, GUI not working on vista?
* "Martin v. Löwis" (Thu, 09 Oct 2008 23:32:42 +0200) > >> I say, ignore this advice and disable UAC. > > Fine. Can you then see to it that this is mentioned on the Python > > download page? > > I think Thorsten's advice is helpful (in the sense that it solves the > problem, and is IMO pragmatic also), I can't except this honour, it was Michel's advice and I only seconded. > but I *still* wouldn't put it on the Python download page, for fear of > the flak from the security folks who start screaming that the PSF > should never give such advice. Absolutely correct. Disabling UAC is a major change in the whole security model in Windows - and while one can mention that, it's certainly nothing you should suggest. Thorstn -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python 2.6, GUI not working on vista?
On Oct 9, 4:41 pm, "Martin v. Löwis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You can believe what you want. The people who developed UAC don't have > > to support it. > > I know for a fact that the implementation is incomplete. In Windows > Installer, there is no way (that I know of) to create an MSI file > that conditionally turns on UAC, only when the installation actually > needs privilege elevation. > > There is a static bit in the installer that indicates whether the MSI > file will do UAC, and there is no way to toggle this bit, e.g. after > asking the user whether this is a "for me" installation or "for all users". > > I set this bit to "no UAC" for 2.6, in order to allow non-privileged > installation at all - only to find out that (due to an unrelated > problem), the "for me" installation doesn't actually work. I only found > out after the release, because nobody bothered reporting this problem > during the betas and release candidates. I posted a problem with Vista on Jul 6 concerning not being able to run IDLE in 2.6b1. No replies. I also noted the successful use and need to use the Administrator account on Sep 12 for 2.6rc1. Again, no replies. What am I supposed to do? File bug reports on things I don't even know are bugs? > I didn't notice on my Vista > machine, because that has VS 2008 installed, in which case the "for me" > installation works just fine. > > If anybody knows how to make the "for me" installation work > (i.e. how to set up the manifests that a single copy of the CRT > is used both by python26.dll, and all extension modules), please > let me know. > > IOW: HELP! HELP!! HELP!!! > Meanwhile: just say no to Vista. > > Regards, > Martin -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python 2.6, GUI not working on vista?
> I posted a problem with Vista on Jul 6 concerning not being > able to run IDLE in 2.6b1. No replies. Where did you post that? On python-dev? > What am I supposed to do? File bug reports on things > I don't even know are bugs? You mean, it might have been intentional that IDLE won't run on Vista? Regards, Martin -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python 2.6, GUI not working on vista?
* "Martin v. Löwis" (Thu, 09 Oct 2008 23:41:44 +0200) > > You can believe what you want. The people who developed UAC don't > > have to support it. > > I know for a fact that the implementation is incomplete. In Windows > Installer, there is no way (that I know of) to create an MSI file > that conditionally turns on UAC, only when the installation actually > needs privilege elevation. You cannot turn on (or turn off) UAC for a single application or operation. That's the whole point of UAC. > There is a static bit in the installer that indicates whether the MSI > file will do UAC, and there is no way to toggle this bit, e.g. after > asking the user whether this is a "for me" installation or "for all users". > > I set this bit to "no UAC" for 2.6, in order to allow non-privileged > installation at all - only to find out that (due to an unrelated > problem), the "for me" installation doesn't actually work. I only found > out after the release, because nobody bothered reporting this problem > during the betas and release candidates. I didn't notice on my Vista > machine, because that has VS 2008 installed, in which case the "for me" > installation works just fine. Are you sure it worked with UAC enabled and a non-privileged account? Anyway, here are some links regarding UAC: * http://www.codeproject.com/KB/vista-security/MakingAppsUACAware.aspx * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_Account_Control#Requesting_elevation ...and for the background: * http://www.faq-o-matic.net/2008/02/22/benutzerkontensteuerung-uac- richtig-einsetzen/ Thorsten -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python 2.6, GUI not working on vista?
On Oct 9, 5:48 pm, "Martin v. Löwis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I posted a problem with Vista on Jul 6 concerning not being > > able to run IDLE in 2.6b1. No replies. > > Where did you post that? On python-dev? No, right here on comp.lang.python. I don't even know what you're referring to. > > > What am I supposed to do? File bug reports on things > > I don't even know are bugs? > > You mean, it might have been intentional that IDLE won't run > on Vista? No, as in maybe it's not a bug, maybe it's just me being stupid or there's something wrong with my setup (aside from using Vista in the first place over which I had no control). I'm not a developer, just a lowly end user. I'm not in a position to be able to fix anything. All I can do is report it and if it's legitimate, then hopefully someone who knows what he's doing will fix it. > > Regards, > Martin -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python 2.6, GUI not working on vista?
as a 20 year observer of microsoft, I have to say this is not amazing at all... and I do not mean that as a random put down of Microsoft. Microsoft often develops things in response to demand... but they don't always fit in their system well, and thus are not really used in the spirit of the demand... meanwhile, bullet items are added to many a software box and magazine review. I would not presume to know more that Microsoft about that as a business practice, but as an engineering practice, it speaks for itself. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python 2.6, GUI not working on vista?
> I'm not a developer, just a lowly end user. I'm not in > a position to be able to fix anything. All I can do is > report it and if it's legitimate, then hopefully someone > who knows what he's doing will fix it. Ok. It's then still unfortunate that nobody reported the problem; your message to comp.lang.python was not "reported" (through the usual bug report channels). Somebody might have told you what those channels are; it's unfortunate that nobody did. Regards, Martin -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python 2.6, GUI not working on vista?
>> I know for a fact that the implementation is incomplete. In Windows >> Installer, there is no way (that I know of) to create an MSI file >> that conditionally turns on UAC, only when the installation actually >> needs privilege elevation. > > You cannot turn on (or turn off) UAC for a single application or > operation. That's the whole point of UAC. The installer runs in two phases: the UI phase, and the actual installation phase. They are separate processes, and UAC is invoked only in the middle (when it switches to the "server" phase). It would well be possible to invoke UAC conditionally, depending on what the UI phase learned. > Are you sure it worked with UAC enabled and a non-privileged account? > Anyway, here are some links regarding UAC: > > * http://www.codeproject.com/KB/vista-security/MakingAppsUACAware.aspx > * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_Account_Control#Requesting_elevation Unfortunately, these are irrelevant, since they talk about UAC wrt. applications. However, an MSI file is not an application, so all these settings and APIs don't apply. Regards, Martin -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python 2.6, GUI not working on vista?
no mind ! bad vista ... -- From: ""Martin v. Löwis"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 2:28 PM To: Subject: Re: Python 2.6, GUI not working on vista? I'm not a developer, just a lowly end user. I'm not in a position to be able to fix anything. All I can do is report it and if it's legitimate, then hopefully someone who knows what he's doing will fix it. Ok. It's then still unfortunate that nobody reported the problem; your message to comp.lang.python was not "reported" (through the usual bug report channels). Somebody might have told you what those channels are; it's unfortunate that nobody did. Regards, Martin -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python 2.6, GUI not working on vista?
On Oct 5, 4:13 am, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED] central.gen.new_zealand> wrote: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Michel Claveau - NoSpam > > SVP ; merci wrote: > > Another way is to de-activate UAC. > > Please don't be stupid! How about a compromise: Disable UAC. Install Python "for all". Re- enable UAC. Why do people have to be so black-and-white? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python 2.6, GUI not working on vista?
alphadog wrote: > On Oct 5, 4:13 am, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > central.gen.new_zealand> wrote: >> In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Michel Claveau - NoSpam >> >> SVP ; merci wrote: >>> Another way is to de-activate UAC. >> Please don't be stupid! > > How about a compromise: Disable UAC. Install Python "for all". Re- > enable UAC. Why do people have to be so black-and-white? Because they insist on believing each question has exactly one correct answer. regards Steve -- Steve Holden+1 571 484 6266 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC http://www.holdenweb.com/ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
