Re: Python Windows Editors
Am Mon, 22 Jan 2007 00:33:12 + schrieb W. Watson: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: W. Watson wrote: I downloaded python-2.5.msi and installed it. I believe its editor is IDE. I understand there's a Win editor called pythonwin. I believe it's in the download pywin32-210.win32-py2.5.exe, but I'm not sure if this exe file has just the editor or all of Python. Comments? If not how do I get the PythonWin editor by itself? By IDE you mean IDLE, don't you? Print your files from Notepad, after all, they're just text files. But IDLE has more usefull Formatting options. Thanks. Already did it, but used Word. I can get line numbers in that way. And you are absolutely certain you won't never, ever, detect a typo when you have your script open in Word, correct it, save the file and try to use the resulting mess as a Python script? Or does Word leave it as a text file in such a case? I never dare to open source code in Word, so I'm not really sure. Hertha -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python Windows Editors
Hertha Steck wrote: Am Mon, 22 Jan 2007 00:33:12 + schrieb W. Watson: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: W. Watson wrote: I downloaded python-2.5.msi and installed it. I believe its editor is IDE. I understand there's a Win editor called pythonwin. I believe it's in the download pywin32-210.win32-py2.5.exe, but I'm not sure if this exe file has just the editor or all of Python. Comments? If not how do I get the PythonWin editor by itself? By IDE you mean IDLE, don't you? Print your files from Notepad, after all, they're just text files. But IDLE has more usefull Formatting options. Thanks. Already did it, but used Word. I can get line numbers in that way. And you are absolutely certain you won't never, ever, detect a typo when you have your script open in Word, correct it, save the file and try to use the resulting mess as a Python script? Or does Word leave it as a text file in such a case? I never dare to open source code in Word, so I'm not really sure. Hertha Yes, looking at it again, it's IDLE in my Start (Programs) menu. When I put it into Word, I print the document with line #s and then mark up the listing. I never try to use a Word doc in Python. Wayne T. Watson (Watson Adventures, Prop., Nevada City, CA) (121.015 Deg. W, 39.262 Deg. N) GMT-8 hr std. time) Obz Site: 39° 15' 7 N, 121° 2' 32 W, 2700 feet Depend upon it, there is nothing so unnatural as the commonplace. -- Sherlock Holmes, in A Case of Identity -- Web Page: home.earthlink.net/~mtnviews -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python Windows Editors
Stef Mientki wrote: Any text editor is only as good as the programmer who uses it. ;) Yes but an IDE is different ;-) cheers, Stef Mientki Correct. Wayne T. Watson (Watson Adventures, Prop., Nevada City, CA) (121.015 Deg. W, 39.262 Deg. N) GMT-8 hr std. time) Obz Site: 39° 15' 7 N, 121° 2' 32 W, 2700 feet Depend upon it, there is nothing so unnatural as the commonplace. -- Sherlock Holmes, in A Case of Identity -- Web Page: home.earthlink.net/~mtnviews -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python Windows Editors
W. Watson wrote: I downloaded python-2.5.msi and installed it. I believe its editor is [corrected]IDLE. I understand there's a Win editor called pythonwin. I believe it's in the download pywin32-210.win32-py2.5.exe, but I'm not sure if this exe file has just the editor or all of Python. Comments? If not how do I get the PythonWin editor by itself? BTW, one of the features I did not like of IDE is the limited file Print command. It puts everything in 16pt type, and gives no choice over what pages should be printed. Maybe there's an option? I don't see any responses that address regarding pywin32-210.win32-py2.5.exe, so it looks like I'll have to undbundle it and see for myself. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python Windows Editors
Yes, pywin32 installs PythonWin. On Jan 24, 4:07 pm, W. Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: W. Watson wrote: I downloaded python-2.5.msi and installed it. I believe its editor is [corrected]IDLE. I understand there's a Win editor called pythonwin. I believe it's in the download pywin32-210.win32-py2.5.exe, but I'm not sure if this exe file has just the editor or all of Python. Comments? If not how do I get the PythonWin editor by itself? BTW, one of the features I did not like of IDE is the limited file Print command. It puts everything in 16pt type, and gives no choice over what pages should be printed. Maybe there's an option?I don't see any responses that address regarding pywin32-210.win32-py2.5.exe, so it looks like I'll have to undbundle it and see for myself. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python Windows Editors
W. Watson a écrit : I downloaded python-2.5.msi and installed it. I believe its editor is IDE. I understand there's a Win editor called pythonwin. I believe it's in the download pywin32-210.win32-py2.5.exe, but I'm not sure if this exe file has just the editor or all of Python. Comments? If not how do I get the PythonWin editor by itself? BTW, one of the features I did not like of IDE is the limited file Print command. It puts everything in 16pt type, and gives no choice over what pages should be printed. Maybe there's an option? Wayne T. Watson (Watson Adventures, Prop., Nevada City, CA) (121.015 Deg. W, 39.262 Deg. N) GMT-8 hr std. time) Obz Site: 39° 15' 7 N, 121° 2' 32 W, 2700 feet Two laws Newton and Einstein didn't discover: 1. Time is money. 2. Matter will be damaged in direct proportion to its value. Have you take a look at the IDEs page in the Python Wiki (python.org)? http://wiki.python.org/moin/IntegratedDevelopmentEnvironments A+ Laurent. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python Windows Editors
Laurent Pointal wrote: W. Watson a écrit : I downloaded python-2.5.msi and installed it. I believe its editor is IDE. I understand there's a Win editor called pythonwin. I believe it's in the download pywin32-210.win32-py2.5.exe, but I'm not sure if this exe file has just the editor or all of Python. Comments? If not how do I get the PythonWin editor by itself? Have you take a look at the IDEs page in the Python Wiki (python.org)? http://wiki.python.org/moin/IntegratedDevelopmentEnvironments just what I said, TOO many ;-) and of course how do you keep these pages up-to-date ? Zeus (commercial) isn't mentioned ... SPE which has great credits, but can't be found, and if you find it somewhere, no manual and it crashes within 30 seconds (repeatly) ;-) Not an easy task I guess, but it would be nice to have some voting system, (maybe only to allow voting when you have compared at least 2 programs) that would represent the current state, and in which new programs would have a fair chance to start. cheers, Stef Mientki -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python Windows Editors
stef a écrit : Laurent Pointal wrote: W. Watson a écrit : I downloaded python-2.5.msi and installed it. I believe its editor is IDE. I understand there's a Win editor called pythonwin. I believe it's in the download pywin32-210.win32-py2.5.exe, but I'm not sure if this exe file has just the editor or all of Python. Comments? If not how do I get the PythonWin editor by itself? Have you take a look at the IDEs page in the Python Wiki (python.org)? http://wiki.python.org/moin/IntegratedDevelopmentEnvironments just what I said, TOO many ;-) Yes, test some, and choose one. [personnaly, I use Notepad++ on Windows, and Kate on Linux, just editors, not IDEs] and of course how do you keep these pages up-to-date ? Zeus (commercial) isn't mentioned ... ...its a Wiki... click the right link and update it: http://wiki.python.org/moin/IntegratedDevelopmentEnvironments?action=edit SPE which has great credits, but can't be found, and if you find it somewhere, no manual and it crashes within 30 seconds (repeatly) ;-) Not an easy task I guess, but it would be nice to have some voting system, (maybe only to allow voting when you have compared at least 2 programs) that would represent the current state, and in which new programs would have a fair chance to start. Its difficult, apart from their stability (which can get better or bad on the time, upen their evolution and the evolution of the libraries they use), its a large part of personnal taste. IMHO you can only have functionnal comparison of such tools. I started a synthesis page of editors/IDEs functionnalities in the pythonfr wiki (french) some (long) time ago... http://wikipython.flibuste.net/moin.py/EditeursEtIDESynthese But a Wiki form seem to not be the best way for such comparison... a dynamic page with a database and some dynamic request would be better. A+ Laurent. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python Windows Editors
gonzlobo wrote: I prefer PyScripter too, but would like to know if I can have 'indentation guides' enabled like PythonWin allows. If you mean, typing a for-statement, then when placing the final :+Enter, the indentation auto increases, then the answer is yes, otherwise I don't kno what you mean. cheers, Stef Mientki -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python Windows Editors
W. Watson napisał(a): I downloaded python-2.5.msi and installed it. I believe its editor is IDE. I understand there's a Win editor called pythonwin. I believe it's in the download pywin32-210.win32-py2.5.exe, but I'm not sure if this exe file has just the editor or all of Python. Comments? If not how do I get the PythonWin editor by itself? No, there's no single official Python editor or IDE. You can edit Python code in any editor you want. When I was on Windows, I used to use jEdit (http://www.jedit.org/) or Vim (http://www.vim.org/), but others will give you other advices. Any text editor is only as good as the programmer who uses it. ;) -- Jarek Zgoda http://jpa.berlios.de/ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python Windows Editors
Any text editor is only as good as the programmer who uses it. ;) Yes but an IDE is different ;-) cheers, Stef Mientki -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python Windows Editors
Stef Mientki napisał(a): Any text editor is only as good as the programmer who uses it. ;) Yes but an IDE is different ;-) Would it make me better Fortran programmer? ;) -- Jarek Zgoda http://jpa.berlios.de/ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python Windows Editors
Jarek Zgoda wrote: Stef Mientki napisał(a): Any text editor is only as good as the programmer who uses it. ;) Yes but an IDE is different ;-) Would it make me better Fortran programmer? ;) I can't judge for you, ... ... maybe you are already at the top ;-) I can only speak for myself ... ... for beginners an IDE is certainly much much more than an editor. cheers, Stef Mientki -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python Windows Editors
Stef Mientki wrote: there a too many (good) IDE's for Python ;-) FWIW the Zeus for Windows IDE has Python support: http://www.zeusedit.com/python.html Zeus has standard IDE features like syntax highlighting, integrated version control, project/workspace, class browsing etc, but it does smart indenting and code folding for Python and you can even write Zeus macros using Python ;) It is even possible to integrate the Python SDK help directly into the editor: http://www.zeusedit.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8 I tried 2 of them, and only was stable enough: Zeus is rock solid ;) Jussi Jumppanen Author: Zeus for Windows -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python Windows Editors
W. Watson wrote: I downloaded python-2.5.msi and installed it. I believe its editor is IDE. I understand there's a Win editor called pythonwin. I believe it's in the download pywin32-210.win32-py2.5.exe, but I'm not sure if this exe file has just the editor or all of Python. Comments? If not how do I get the PythonWin editor by itself? BTW, one of the features I did not like of IDE is the limited file Print command. It puts everything in 16pt type, and gives no choice over what pages should be printed. Maybe there's an option? Print your files from Notepad, after all, they're just text files. But IDLE has more usefull Formatting options. Wayne T. Watson (Watson Adventures, Prop., Nevada City, CA) (121.015 Deg. W, 39.262 Deg. N) GMT-8 hr std. time) Obz Site: 39° 15' 7 N, 121° 2' 32 W, 2700 feet Two laws Newton and Einstein didn't discover: 1. Time is money. 2. Matter will be damaged in direct proportion to its value. -- Web Page: home.earthlink.net/~mtnviews -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python Windows Editors
The pywin32 extension does not contain the python runtime itself, but comes with many (very useful) classes you can use when interacting with the windows universe. The editor is based on a component called scintilla (http://www.scintilla.org/). The referenced site also offers an editor SciTE based around the component, which comes with some nice features and syntax files for a number of languages. If you are going to make use of python on the windows platform, I would highly recommend the pywin32 extension. Regards, Ant W. Watson wrote: I downloaded python-2.5.msi and installed it. I believe its editor is IDE. I understand there's a Win editor called pythonwin. I believe it's in the download pywin32-210.win32-py2.5.exe, but I'm not sure if this exe file has just the editor or all of Python. Comments? If not how do I get the PythonWin editor by itself? BTW, one of the features I did not like of IDE is the limited file Print command. It puts everything in 16pt type, and gives no choice over what pages should be printed. Maybe there's an option? Wayne T. Watson (Watson Adventures, Prop., Nevada City, CA) (121.015 Deg. W, 39.262 Deg. N) GMT-8 hr std. time) Obz Site: 39° 15' 7 N, 121° 2' 32 W, 2700 feet Two laws Newton and Einstein didn't discover: 1. Time is money. 2. Matter will be damaged in direct proportion to its value. -- Web Page: home.earthlink.net/~mtnviews -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python Windows Editors
Hi, I guess you could take a look at pydev extension for eclipse and if you wan't an almost straight forward installation, you should consider this link : http://www.easyeclipse.org/site/distributions/python.html Regards, Laurent W. Watson a écrit : I downloaded python-2.5.msi and installed it. I believe its editor is IDE. I understand there's a Win editor called pythonwin. I believe it's in the download pywin32-210.win32-py2.5.exe, but I'm not sure if this exe file has just the editor or all of Python. Comments? If not how do I get the PythonWin editor by itself? BTW, one of the features I did not like of IDE is the limited file Print command. It puts everything in 16pt type, and gives no choice over what pages should be printed. Maybe there's an option? Wayne T. Watson (Watson Adventures, Prop., Nevada City, CA) (121.015 Deg. W, 39.262 Deg. N) GMT-8 hr std. time) Obz Site: 39° 15' 7 N, 121° 2' 32 W, 2700 feet Two laws Newton and Einstein didn't discover: 1. Time is money. 2. Matter will be damaged in direct proportion to its value. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python Windows Editors
W. Watson wrote: I downloaded python-2.5.msi and installed it. I believe its editor is IDE. I understand there's a Win editor called pythonwin. I believe it's in the download pywin32-210.win32-py2.5.exe, but I'm not sure if this exe file has just the editor or all of Python. Comments? If not how do I get the PythonWin editor by itself? BTW, one of the features I did not like of IDE is the limited file Print command. It puts everything in 16pt type, and gives no choice over what pages should be printed. Maybe there's an option? Wayne T. Watson (Watson Adventures, Prop., Nevada City, CA) (121.015 Deg. W, 39.262 Deg. N) GMT-8 hr std. time) Obz Site: 39° 15' 7 N, 121° 2' 32 W, 2700 feet Two laws Newton and Einstein didn't discover: 1. Time is money. 2. Matter will be damaged in direct proportion to its value. there a too many (good) IDE's for Python ;-) maybe we should give them a ranking, I tried 2 of them, and only was stable enough: PyScripter http://mmm-experts.com/Products.aspx?ProductID=4 cheers, Stef Mientki -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python Windows Editors
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: W. Watson wrote: I downloaded python-2.5.msi and installed it. I believe its editor is IDE. I understand there's a Win editor called pythonwin. I believe it's in the download pywin32-210.win32-py2.5.exe, but I'm not sure if this exe file has just the editor or all of Python. Comments? If not how do I get the PythonWin editor by itself? BTW, one of the features I did not like of IDE is the limited file Print command. It puts everything in 16pt type, and gives no choice over what pages should be printed. Maybe there's an option? Print your files from Notepad, after all, they're just text files. But IDLE has more usefull Formatting options. Thanks. Already did it, but used Word. I can get line numbers in that way. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python Windows Editors
I prefer PyScripter too, but would like to know if I can have 'indentation guides' enabled like PythonWin allows. On 1/21/07, Stef Mientki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tried 2 of them, and only was stable enough: PyScripter http://mmm-experts.com/Products.aspx?ProductID=4 -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
