Re: Swaying A Coder Away From Python
On 5/4/06, Tim Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (and why do you seem to think that this matters, btw ?) I actually think it is complete twaddle, for the same reasons as you. I think this article has something to do with this article: http://www.paulgraham.com/submarine.html Maybe or maybe not. -- mvh Björn -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Swaying A Coder Away From Python
On Thursday 04 May 2006 12:57, Tim Williams wrote: (and why do you seem to think that this matters, btw ?) I actually think it is complete twaddle For my part, I have to agree with you on this one. In terms of any subjective to-and-fro'ing regarding the languages themselves I did some small research projects using C# and realised I couldn't find any reason to favour it over other more suitable languages in most contexts. *As a language* it's not bad (even though python it ain't), but considering the number of hoops to be jumped through to adopt it, I'll be wanting my alpha waves parsed as I sleep into well-commented colloquial English and run by an English Language JITc with assembly-like speed before I'll consider using it over python, or php, or C++. In essence, not a big fan. I usually refer to it as VILE!. As in what Vile thing do I have before me. Emacs all the way baby! ^IAWTP^ Couldn't agree more. -- There are 10 types of people in this world, those who understand binary, and those who don't. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Swaying A Coder Away From Python
On Thu, 4 May 2006 13:08:52 +0200, Fredrik Lundh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: who's this, and why does he think that sampling some random comments by some random bloggers should mean anything to anyone ? (and why do you seem to think that this matters, btw ?) Michal Wallace, the original weblogger, was also working on Pirate, the Python-to-Parrot translator, so I'm not surprised that he might be bitter about not completing applications. :) I guess no one is working on Python-on-Parrot any more. --amk -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Swaying A Coder Away From Python
Tim Williams wrote: By David A. Utter who's this, and why does he think that sampling some random comments by some random bloggers should mean anything to anyone ? (and why do you seem to think that this matters, btw ?) (and yes, I recognize the names of some of the bloggers he quotes. they're not exactly known for their ability to get things done... but sure, if you cannot fix yourself, you can always try another language (speaking of which, has any- one seen Brandon lately? ;-)) instead of wasting time on clueless windbags, I'd recommend Pythoneers to read something written by someone with a working brain instead: http://www2.jeffcroft.com/2006/may/02/django-non-programmers/ (which can be summarized as I hate programming, but that didn't stop me from building a really cool web application in Python). /F -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Swaying A Coder Away From Python
(and why do you seem to think that this matters, btw ?) I actually think it is complete twaddle, for the same reasons as you. It was forwarded to me by someone who knows I use Python, and I thought it might be of interest to a balanced list, especially as it shows an external perspective of Python. Are we not allowed to post negative things about Python anymore or did I miss the point ?? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Swaying A Coder Away From Python
Tim Williams wrote: It was forwarded to me by someone who knows I use Python, and I thought it might be of interest to a balanced list, especially as it shows an external perspective of Python. Are we not allowed to post negative things about Python anymore /.../ nope, but if we were to post to the list every time some random blogger says something about Python, we wouldn't have room for much other stuff. (and it doesn't show an external perspective of Python; it's a piece of lousy re- porting that treats some random guy as an authority, at a moment in time where the *real* story out there is that light-weight community-developed languages are beginning to seriously invade the spaces formerly occupied by monolithic environments controlled by Sun and Microsoft. there are lots of stuff going on out there these days...) /F -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Swaying A Coder Away From Python
I'm picking this up via clp on Google Groups. I can't tell what Mr. Lundh is referring to. The first line of his post is: Tim Williams wrote but there's nothing that comes before. I had seen the article on Django on Digg I think, but what is article Tim Williams is referring to? Thanks, rick -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Swaying A Coder Away From Python
On 04/05/06, Fredrik Lundh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: nope, but if we were to post to the list every time some random blogger says something about Python, we wouldn't have room for much other stuff. It wasn't from a random blogger, it was from an email newsletter for this site: http://www.devwebpro.co.uk/ I am not a member or in anyway related to the site :) and have no idea how large its user-base is. As I said, the email was forwarded to someone who thought I would be interested. :) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Swaying A Coder Away From Python
BartlebyScrivener wrote:
I'm picking this up via clp on Google Groups. I can't tell what Mr.
Lundh is referring to. The first line of his post is: Tim Williams
wrote but there's nothing that comes before. I had seen the article on
Django on Digg I think, but what is article Tim Williams is referring
to?
Google for David A. Utter
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Re: Swaying A Coder Away From Python
On 4 May 2006 05:24:40 -0700, BartlebyScrivener [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm picking this up via clp on Google Groups. I can't tell what Mr. Lundh is referring to. The first line of his post is: Tim Williams wrote but there's nothing that comes before. I had seen the article on Django on Digg I think, but what is article Tim Williams is referring to? Thanks, rick Rick, I found the web version at. http://www.devwebpro.co.uk/devwebprouk-46-20060503SwayingACoderAwayFromPython.html :) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Swaying A Coder Away From Python
On 4 May 2006 05:24:40 -0700, BartlebyScrivener [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm picking this up via clp on Google Groups. I can't tell what Mr. Lundh is referring to. The first line of his post is: Tim Williams wrote but there's nothing that comes before. Similarly, I'm reading this via comp.lang.python and the original article hasn't shown up at this site. Tim Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I found the web version at. http://www.devwebpro.co.uk/devwebprouk-46-20060503SwayingACoderAwayFromPython.html Wherein we find: He also listed a few reasons why C# appeals to him over Python or Java: * anonymous functions (delegates) * a python-like yield statement * a nice type system with generics * interfaces * properties (Yay!!) So that's two of the five Python has, one explicitly acknowledged, plus the combination of lambda and functions-as-first-class-objects is as good as (or better than) anonymous functions (delegates). And then we get onto personal preferences as to how to do type systems. That's not a great deal with which to sway someone. -- \S -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.chaos.org.uk/~sion/ ___ | Frankly I have no feelings towards penguins one way or the other \X/ |-- Arthur C. Clarke her nu becomeþ se bera eadward ofdun hlæddre heafdes bæce bump bump bump -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Swaying A Coder Away From Python
QUOTE One problem is that python tools suck, he wrote. Wallace compared the various IDEs and other developer tools available to Microsoft's freely available Visual Studio Express and called them toys. QUOTE What s wrong with VI ??? :) R_ On 4 May 2006 05:24:40 -0700, BartlebyScrivener [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm picking this up via clp on Google Groups. I can't tell what Mr. Lundh is referring to. The first line of his post is: Tim Williams wrote but there's nothing that comes before. Similarly, I'm reading this via comp.lang.python and the original article hasn't shown up at this site. Tim Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I found the web version at. http://www.devwebpro.co.uk/devwebprouk-46-20060503SwayingACoderAwayFromPython.html Wherein we find: He also listed a few reasons why C# appeals to him over Python or Java: * anonymous functions (delegates) * a python-like yield statement * a nice type system with generics * interfaces * properties (Yay!!) So that's two of the five Python has, one explicitly acknowledged, plus the combination of lambda and functions-as-first-class-objects is as good as (or better than) anonymous functions (delegates). And then we get onto personal preferences as to how to do type systems. That's not a great deal with which to sway someone. -- --- Rony Steelandt BuCodi rony dot steelandt (at) bucodi dot com Visit the python blog at http://360.yahoo.com/bucodi -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Swaying A Coder Away From Python
Rony Steelandt wrote: QUOTE One problem is that python tools suck, he wrote. Wallace compared the various IDEs and other developer tools available to Microsoft's freely available Visual Studio Express and called them toys. QUOTE What s wrong with VI ??? :) User error, evidently. Sometimes the interface is more intelligent than its user, and every time this happens the interface is the one that gets the bad rap. Sorry for the snarky comment, but python dev tools do not suck, they are just generally different from visual studio. There are any number of good editing platforms for python, visual studio is just not really one of them. R_ On 4 May 2006 05:24:40 -0700, BartlebyScrivener [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm picking this up via clp on Google Groups. I can't tell what Mr. Lundh is referring to. The first line of his post is: Tim Williams wrote but there's nothing that comes before. Similarly, I'm reading this via comp.lang.python and the original article hasn't shown up at this site. Tim Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I found the web version at. http://www.devwebpro.co.uk/devwebprouk-46-20060503SwayingACoderAwayFromPython.html Wherein we find: He also listed a few reasons why C# appeals to him over Python or Java: * anonymous functions (delegates) * a python-like yield statement * a nice type system with generics * interfaces * properties (Yay!!) So that's two of the five Python has, one explicitly acknowledged, plus the combination of lambda and functions-as-first-class-objects is as good as (or better than) anonymous functions (delegates). And then we get onto personal preferences as to how to do type systems. That's not a great deal with which to sway someone. -- --- Rony Steelandt BuCodi rony dot steelandt (at) bucodi dot com Visit the python blog at http://360.yahoo.com/bucodi -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Swaying A Coder Away From Python
Rony Steelandt wrote: What s wrong with VI ??? :) it's spelled vim. /F -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Swaying A Coder Away From Python
I usually refer to it as VILE!. As in what Vile thing do I have before me. Emacs all the way baby! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Swaying A Coder Away From Python
Adam Jones: User error, evidently. Sometimes the interface is more intelligent than its user, and every time this happens the interface is the one that gets the bad rap. Well that certainly explains my problems with Eclipse. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Swaying A Coder Away From Python
Tim Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] idea how large its user-base is. As I said, the email was forwarded to someone who thought I would be interested. Well, it got Fredrik to post the link to a really nice intro to Django, which I had not seen before. So thanks to you both ;-) tjr -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
