Re: Updated License Term Agreement for VC Redistributable in VS 2008 SP1
CM cmpyt...@gmail.com wrote: On Apr 16, 3:31 am, Tim Roberts t...@probo.com wrote: Microsoft's intent is that you be able to distribute the non-debug runtimes with any applications built with Visual Studio. They are evil, but not arbitrarily malicious. Just to be clear: are you saying that if one has Visual Studio 2008 Express Edition (the free one), one then has the right to redistribute the necessary dlls for using py2exe to make working Python 2.6 executables? The redistributable DLL package is freely downloadable from Microsoft. I don't see anything on the redistributable page that limits their use to the paid editions only. -- Tim Roberts, t...@probo.com Providenza Boekelheide, Inc. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Updated License Term Agreement for VC Redistributable in VS 2008 SP1
Andrej Mitrovic andrej.mitrov...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think this license agreement change involves the express editions, which are free. Correct me if I'm wrong here? The license agreement change fixes a problem that was accidentally introduced by Visual Studio 2008 SP1. The redistributable package that can be downloaded directly from Microsoft (which you would use if you had the Express Edition) has the right license to begin with. It never had the restriction. http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms235299.aspx Microsoft's intent is that you be able to distribute the non-debug runtimes with any applications built with Visual Studio. They are evil, but not arbitrarily malicious. -- Tim Roberts, t...@probo.com Providenza Boekelheide, Inc. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Updated License Term Agreement for VC Redistributable in VS 2008 SP1
Hi Tim, The license agreement change fixes a problem that was accidentally introduced by Visual Studio 2008 SP1. The redistributable package that can be downloaded directly from Microsoft (which you would use if you had the Express Edition) has the right license to begin with. It never had the restriction. http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms235299.aspx. Microsoft's intent is that you be able to distribute the non-debug runtimes with any applications built with Visual Studio. Original poster here. Thanks for your insight! They are evil, but not arbitrarily malicious. :) Regards, Malcolm - Original message - From: Tim Roberts t...@probo.com To: python-list@python.org Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 00:31:35 -0700 Subject: Re: Updated License Term Agreement for VC Redistributable in VS 2008 SP1 Andrej Mitrovic andrej.mitrov...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think this license agreement change involves the express editions, which are free. Correct me if I'm wrong here? The license agreement change fixes a problem that was accidentally introduced by Visual Studio 2008 SP1. The redistributable package that can be downloaded directly from Microsoft (which you would use if you had the Express Edition) has the right license to begin with. It never had the restriction. http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms235299.aspx Microsoft's intent is that you be able to distribute the non-debug runtimes with any applications built with Visual Studio. They are evil, but not arbitrarily malicious. -- Tim Roberts, t...@probo.com Providenza Boekelheide, Inc. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Updated License Term Agreement for VC Redistributable in VS 2008 SP1
On Apr 16, 3:31 am, Tim Roberts t...@probo.com wrote: Andrej Mitrovic andrej.mitrov...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think this license agreement change involves the express editions, which are free. Correct me if I'm wrong here? The license agreement change fixes a problem that was accidentally introduced by Visual Studio 2008 SP1. The redistributable package that can be downloaded directly from Microsoft (which you would use if you had the Express Edition) has the right license to begin with. It never had the restriction. http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms235299.aspx Microsoft's intent is that you be able to distribute the non-debug runtimes with any applications built with Visual Studio. They are evil, but not arbitrarily malicious. Just to be clear: are you saying that if one has Visual Studio 2008 Express Edition (the free one), one then has the right to redistribute the necessary dlls for using py2exe to make working Python 2.6 executables? Thanks, Che -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Updated License Term Agreement for VC Redistributable in VS 2008 SP1
On 04/15/10 06:38, pyt...@bdurham.com wrote: Alex, I do not see anything about redistribution, only installation, unless I am missing something? I read installation to mean the same as redistribution in the context of this article. Perhaps I'm wrong? Does it makes sense to be able to install a library in other's computer, but not redistribute it? Hmm... I'll have to consult a lawyer. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Updated License Term Agreement for VC Redistributable in VS 2008 SP1
Lie, Does it makes sense to be able to install a library in other's computer, but not redistribute it? Hmm... I'll have to consult a lawyer. See Tim Robert's response (I can't remember which Python mailing list) quote The license agreement change fixes a problem that was accidentally introduced by Visual Studio 2008 SP1. The redistributable package that can be downloaded directly from Microsoft (which you would use if you had the Express Edition) has the right license to begin with. It never had the restriction. http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms235299.aspx Microsoft's intent is that you be able to distribute the non-debug runtimes with any applications built with Visual Studio. They are evil, but not arbitrarily malicious. /quote Malcolm -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Updated License Term Agreement for VC Redistributable in VS 2008 SP1
On 04/17/10 03:40, pyt...@bdurham.com wrote: Lie, Does it makes sense to be able to install a library in other's computer, but not redistribute it? Hmm... I'll have to consult a lawyer. See Tim Robert's response (I can't remember which Python mailing list) I was responding to Alex Hall's comment (and your subsequent reply) pyt...@bdurham.com wrote: Alex Hall wrote: I do not see anything about redistribution, only installation, unless I am missing something? I read installation to mean the same as redistribution in the context of this article. Perhaps I'm wrong? it appears to me *if* someone had written an EULA that allows installation on other machine but not redistributing it, they must be fairly insane (in this case, Microsoft isn't insane enough to write such EULA for their VC). -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Updated License Term Agreement for VC Redistributable in VS 2008 SP1
I do not see anything about redistribution, only installation, unless I am missing something? On 4/14/10, pyt...@bdurham.com pyt...@bdurham.com wrote: I just stumbled across the following page which seems to indicate that the MS VC 2008 runtime files[1] required to distribute Python applications compiled with Py2exe and similar tools can be shipped without the license restriction many previously thought. See: Updated License Term Agreement for VC Redistributable in VS 2008 SP1 http://code.msdn.microsoft.com/KB956414 quote The End User License Agreement (EULA) attached to the English version of Visual C++ (VC) Redistributable Package (VCRedistx86.exe, VCRedistx64.exe, and VCRedist_ia64.exe) in Microsoft Visual Studio 2008 does not let you redistribute the VC Redist files. It specifies that you may only install and use one copy of the software. The correct EULA allows installation and use of any number of copies of the VC Redist packages. CAUSE This problem occurs when Visual Studio 2008 SP1 installs incorrect VC Redist files that have the wrong EULAs to the computer. /quote I know there's been lots of confusion about whether developers can ship these DLL files directly or whether developers must ship the Visual C++ 2008 Redistributable Package SP 1 files (vcredist_x86.exe or vcredist_x64.exe) - I think the above article should settle this debate once and for all. Malcolm 1. MS VC 2008 runtime files: msvcr90.dll, msvcp90.dll, msvcm90.dll -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from GMail website) mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Updated License Term Agreement for VC Redistributable in VS 2008 SP1
On Apr 14, 10:11 pm, pyt...@bdurham.com wrote: I just stumbled across the following page which seems to indicate that the MS VC 2008 runtime files[1] required to distribute Python applications compiled with Py2exe and similar tools can be shipped without the license restriction many previously thought. See: Updated License Term Agreement for VC Redistributable in VS 2008 SP1http://code.msdn.microsoft.com/KB956414 quote The End User License Agreement (EULA) attached to the English version of Visual C++ (VC) Redistributable Package (VCRedistx86.exe, VCRedistx64.exe, and VCRedist_ia64.exe) in Microsoft Visual Studio 2008 does not let you redistribute the VC Redist files. It specifies that you may only install and use one copy of the software. The correct EULA allows installation and use of any number of copies of the VC Redist packages. CAUSE This problem occurs when Visual Studio 2008 SP1 installs incorrect VC Redist files that have the wrong EULAs to the computer. /quote I know there's been lots of confusion about whether developers can ship these DLL files directly or whether developers must ship the Visual C++ 2008 Redistributable Package SP 1 files (vcredist_x86.exe or vcredist_x64.exe) - I think the above article should settle this debate once and for all. Malcolm 1. MS VC 2008 runtime files: msvcr90.dll, msvcp90.dll, msvcm90.dll The article links to this Knowledge Base article: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/956414 In that article, under the More Information, it reads: APPLIES TO * Microsoft Visual Studio Team System 2008 Team Suite * Microsoft Visual Studio Team System 2008 Team Foundation Server * Microsoft Visual Studio Team System 2008 Test Load Agent * Microsoft Visual Studio Team System 2008 Database Edition * Microsoft Visual Studio Team System 2008 Architecture Edition * Microsoft Visual Studio Team System 2008 Development Edition * Microsoft Visual Studio Team System 2008 Test Edition * Microsoft Visual Studio 2008 Standard Edition * Microsoft Visual Studio 2008 Professional Edition * Microsoft Visual Studio 2008 Academic Edition * Microsoft Visual Studio 2008 Tools for Applications Software Development Kit I don't think this license agreement change involves the express editions, which are free. Correct me if I'm wrong here? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Updated License Term Agreement for VC Redistributable in VS 2008 SP1
Alex, I do not see anything about redistribution, only installation, unless I am missing something? I read installation to mean the same as redistribution in the context of this article. Perhaps I'm wrong? Malcolm On 4/14/10, pyt...@bdurham.com pyt...@bdurham.com wrote: I just stumbled across the following page which seems to indicate that the MS VC 2008 runtime files[1] required to distribute Python applications compiled with Py2exe and similar tools can be shipped without the license restriction many previously thought. See: Updated License Term Agreement for VC Redistributable in VS 2008 SP1 http://code.msdn.microsoft.com/KB956414 quote The End User License Agreement (EULA) attached to the English version of Visual C++ (VC) Redistributable Package (VCRedistx86.exe, VCRedistx64.exe, and VCRedist_ia64.exe) in Microsoft Visual Studio 2008 does not let you redistribute the VC Redist files. It specifies that you may only install and use one copy of the software. The correct EULA allows installation and use of any number of copies of the VC Redist packages. CAUSE This problem occurs when Visual Studio 2008 SP1 installs incorrect VC Redist files that have the wrong EULAs to the computer. /quote I know there's been lots of confusion about whether developers can ship these DLL files directly or whether developers must ship the Visual C++ 2008 Redistributable Package SP 1 files (vcredist_x86.exe or vcredist_x64.exe) - I think the above article should settle this debate once and for all. Malcolm 1. MS VC 2008 runtime files: msvcr90.dll, msvcp90.dll, msvcm90.dll -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from GMail website) mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Updated License Term Agreement for VC Redistributable in VS 2008 SP1
Andrej, I don't think this license agreement change involves the express editions, which are free. Correct me if I'm wrong here? I don't know. Malcolm 1. MS VC 2008 runtime files: msvcr90.dll, msvcp90.dll, msvcm90.dll The article links to this Knowledge Base article: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/956414 In that article, under the More Information, it reads: APPLIES TO * Microsoft Visual Studio Team System 2008 Team Suite * Microsoft Visual Studio Team System 2008 Team Foundation Server * Microsoft Visual Studio Team System 2008 Test Load Agent * Microsoft Visual Studio Team System 2008 Database Edition * Microsoft Visual Studio Team System 2008 Architecture Edition * Microsoft Visual Studio Team System 2008 Development Edition * Microsoft Visual Studio Team System 2008 Test Edition * Microsoft Visual Studio 2008 Standard Edition * Microsoft Visual Studio 2008 Professional Edition * Microsoft Visual Studio 2008 Academic Edition * Microsoft Visual Studio 2008 Tools for Applications Software Development Kit I don't think this license agreement change involves the express editions, which are free. Correct me if I'm wrong here? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
