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Re: Using a background thread with asyncio/futures with flask

2024-03-24 Thread Frank Millman via Python-list


On 2024-03-23 3:25 PM, Frank Millman via Python-list wrote:



It is not pretty! call_soon_threadsafe() is a loop function, but the 
loop is not accessible from a different thread. Therefore I include a 
reference to the loop in the message passed to in_queue, which in turn 
passes it to out_queue.




I found that you can retrieve the loop from the future using 
future.get_loop(), so the above is not necessary.


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Re: Using a background thread with asyncio/futures with flask

2024-03-23 Thread Frank Millman via Python-list


On 2024-03-22 12:08 PM, Thomas Nyberg via Python-list wrote:

Hi,

Yeah so flask does support async (when installed with `pip3 install 
flask[async]), but you are making a good point that flask in this case 
is a distraction. Here's an example using just the standard library that 
exhibits the same issue:


`app.py`
```
import asyncio
import threading
import time
from queue import Queue


in_queue = Queue()
out_queue = Queue()


def worker():
     print("worker started running")
     while True:
     future = in_queue.get()
     print(f"worker got future: {future}")
     time.sleep(5)
     print("worker sleeped")
     out_queue.put(future)


def finalizer():
     print("finalizer started running")
     while True:
     future = out_queue.get()
     print(f"finalizer got future: {future}")
     future.set_result("completed")
     print("finalizer set result")


threading.Thread(target=worker).start()
threading.Thread(target=finalizer).start()


async def main():
     future = asyncio.get_event_loop().create_future()
     in_queue.put(future)
     print(f"main put future: {future}")
     result = await future
     print(result)


if __name__ == "__main__":
     loop = asyncio.get_event_loop()
     loop.run_until_complete(main())
```

If I run that I see the following printed out (after which is just hangs):

```


Combining Dieter's and Mark's ideas, here is a version that works.

It is not pretty! call_soon_threadsafe() is a loop function, but the 
loop is not accessible from a different thread. Therefore I include a 
reference to the loop in the message passed to in_queue, which in turn 
passes it to out_queue.


Frank

===

import asyncio
import threading
import time
from queue import Queue


in_queue = Queue()
out_queue = Queue()


def worker():
print("worker started running")
while True:
loop, future = in_queue.get()
print(f"worker got future: {future}")
time.sleep(5)
print("worker sleeped")
out_queue.put((loop, future))


def finalizer():
print("finalizer started running")
while True:
loop, future = out_queue.get()
print(f"finalizer got future: {future}")
loop.call_soon_threadsafe(future.set_result, "completed")
print("finalizer set result")


threading.Thread(target=worker, daemon=True).start()
threading.Thread(target=finalizer, daemon=True).start()


async def main():
loop = asyncio.get_event_loop()
future = loop.create_future()
in_queue.put((loop, future))
print(f"main put future: {future}")
result = await future
print(result)


if __name__ == "__main__":
# loop = asyncio.get_event_loop()
# loop.run_until_complete(main())
asyncio.run(main())

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Re: Using a background thread with asyncio/futures with flask

2024-03-22 Thread Mark Bourne via Python-list


Thomas Nyberg wrote:

Hi,

Yeah so flask does support async (when installed with `pip3 install 
flask[async]), but you are making a good point that flask in this case 
is a distraction. Here's an example using just the standard library that 
exhibits the same issue:


`app.py`
```
import asyncio
import threading
import time
from queue import Queue


in_queue = Queue()
out_queue = Queue()


def worker():
     print("worker started running")
     while True:
     future = in_queue.get()
     print(f"worker got future: {future}")
     time.sleep(5)
     print("worker sleeped")
     out_queue.put(future)


def finalizer():
     print("finalizer started running")
     while True:
     future = out_queue.get()
     print(f"finalizer got future: {future}")
     future.set_result("completed")
     print("finalizer set result")


threading.Thread(target=worker).start()
threading.Thread(target=finalizer).start()


async def main():
     future = asyncio.get_event_loop().create_future()
     in_queue.put(future)
     print(f"main put future: {future}")
     result = await future
     print(result)


if __name__ == "__main__":
     loop = asyncio.get_event_loop()
     loop.run_until_complete(main())
```

If I run that I see the following printed out (after which is just hangs):

```
$ python3 app.py
worker started running
finalizer started running
main put future: 
worker got future: 
worker sleeped
finalizer got future: 
finalizer set result
```

I believe async uses a cooperative multitasking setup under the hood, so 
I presume the way I'm doing this threading just isn't playing well with 
that (and presumably some csp yield isn't happening somewhere). Anyway 
at this point I feel like the easiest approach is to just throw away 
threads entirely and learn how to do all I want fully in the brave new 
async world, but I'm still curious why this is failing and how to make 
this sort of setup work since it points to my not understanding the 
basic implementation/semantics of async in python.


Thanks for any help!

/Thomas

On 3/22/24 08:27, Lars Liedtke via Python-list wrote:

Hey,

As far as I know (might be old news) flask does not support asyncio.

You would have to use a different framework, like e.g. FastAPI or 
similar. Maybe someone has already written "flask with asyncio" but I 
don't know about that.


Cheers

Lars


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Am 20.03.24 um 09:22 schrieb Thomas Nyberg via Python-list:

Hello,

I have a simple (and not working) example of what I'm trying to do. 
This is a simplified version of what I'm trying to achieve (obviously 
the background workers and finalizer functions will do more later):


`app.py`

```
import asyncio
import threading
import time
from queue import Queue

from flask import Flask

in_queue = Queue()
out_queue = Queue()


def worker():
    print("worker started running")
    while True:
    future = in_queue.get()
    print(f"worker got future: {future}")
    time.sleep(5)
    print("worker sleeped")
    out_queue.put(future)


def finalizer():
    print("finalizer started running")
    while True:
    future = out_queue.get()
    print(f"finalizer got future: {future}")
    future.set_result("completed")
    print("finalizer set result")


threading.Thread(target=worker, daemon=True).start()
threading.Thread(target=finalizer, daemon=True).start()

app = Flask(__name__)


@app.route("/")
async def root():
    future = asyncio.get_event_loop().create_future()
    in_queue.put(future)
    print(f"root put future: {future}")
    result = await future
    return result


if __name__ == "__main__":
    app.run()
```

If I start up that server, and execute `curl http://localhost:5000`, 
it prints out the following in the server before hanging:


```
$ python3 app.py
worker started running
finalizer started running
* Serving Flask app 'app'
* Debug mode: off
WARNING: This is a development server. Do not use it in a production 
deployment. Use a production WSGI server instead.

* Running on http://127.0.0.1:5000
Press CTRL+C to quit
root put future: 
worker got future: 
worker sleeped
finalizer got future: 
finalizer set result
```

Judging by what's printing out, the `final result = await future` 
doesn't seem to be happy here.


Maybe someone sees something obvious I'm doing wrong here? I presume 
I'm mixing thread

Re: Using a background thread with asyncio/futures with flask

2024-03-22 Thread Dieter Maurer via Python-list

dieter.mau...@online.de wrote at 2024-3-22 18:28 +0100:
>Thomas Nyberg wrote at 2024-3-22 11:08 +0100:
>> ... `future` use across thread boundaries ...
>> Here's an example using just the standard library that
>> exhibits the same issue:
> ...
>For use across thread boundaries, you likely will use
>`concurrent.Future` (not `asyncio.Future`).
>You can use `asyncio.futures._chain_futures` to associate
>an `asyncio.Future` with a `concurrent.Future`.
>Then the fate (result or exception set) of one will be reflected in the other.

You must not set the result/exception for a future in a "foreign" thread
("foreign" here means one not associated with the future's loop).
An aternative to the solution sketched above is to set the result
indirectly via `loop.call_soon_threadsafe`. This way, the
result is set in the futures "native" thread.
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Re: Using a background thread with asyncio/futures with flask

2024-03-22 Thread Dieter Maurer via Python-list

Thomas Nyberg wrote at 2024-3-22 11:08 +0100:
> ... `future` use across thread boundaries ...
> Here's an example using just the standard library that
> exhibits the same issue:

I think all `asyncio` objects (futures, tasks, ...)
are meant to be used in a single thread.
If you use them across different threads, you must do special things.

Note that an `await(future)` registers a callback at *future*.
When the future gets its result or exception, the registered callback calls
are scheduled via `self._loop.call_soon`.
`call_soon` must be called from the `asyncio` thread (to which `self._loop`
belongs). A different thread may schedule activities for a loop
but it must use `call_soon_threadsafe` (not `call_soon`).

I would expect that the forbidden `call_soon` call raises an exception
which for reasons I do not know appears to be hidden.


For use across thread boundaries, you likely will use
`concurrent.Future` (not `asyncio.Future`).
You can use `asyncio.futures._chain_futures` to associate
an `asyncio.Future` with a `concurrent.Future`.
Then the fate (result or exception set) of one will be reflected in the other.
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Re: Using a background thread with asyncio/futures with flask

2024-03-22 Thread Frank Millman via Python-list


On 2024-03-22 1:23 PM, Frank Millman via Python-list wrote:

On 2024-03-22 12:09 PM, Frank Millman via Python-list wrote:


I am no expert. However, I do have something similar in my app, and it 
works.


I do not use 'await future', I use 'asyncio.wait_for(future)'.



I tested it and it did not work.

I am not sure, but I think the problem is that you have a mixture of 
blocking and non-blocking functions.


Here is a version that works. However, it is a bit different, so I don't 
know if it fits your use case.


I have replaced the threads with background asyncio tasks.

I have replaced instances of queue.Queue with asyncio.Queue.

Frank

===

import asyncio

in_queue = asyncio.Queue()
out_queue = asyncio.Queue()

async def worker():
     print("worker started running")
     while True:
     future = await in_queue.get()
     print(f"worker got future: {future}")
     await asyncio.sleep(5)
     print("worker sleeped")
     await out_queue.put(future)

async def finalizer():
     print("finalizer started running")
     while True:
     future = await out_queue.get()
     print(f"finalizer got future: {future}")
     future.set_result("completed")
     print("finalizer set result")

async def main():
     asyncio.create_task(worker())  # start a background task
     asyncio.create_task(finalizer())  # ditto
     future = asyncio.get_event_loop().create_future()
     await in_queue.put(future)
     print(f"main put future: {future}")
     result = await asyncio.wait_for(future, timeout=None)
     print(result)

if __name__ == "__main__":
     # loop = asyncio.get_event_loop()
     # loop.run_until_complete(main())

     # this is the preferred way to start an asyncio app
     asyncio.run(main())




One more point.

If I change 'await asyncio.wait_for(future, timeout=None)' back to your 
original 'await future', it still works.


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Re: Using a background thread with asyncio/futures with flask

2024-03-22 Thread Frank Millman via Python-list


On 2024-03-22 12:09 PM, Frank Millman via Python-list wrote:


I am no expert. However, I do have something similar in my app, and it 
works.


I do not use 'await future', I use 'asyncio.wait_for(future)'.



I tested it and it did not work.

I am not sure, but I think the problem is that you have a mixture of 
blocking and non-blocking functions.


Here is a version that works. However, it is a bit different, so I don't 
know if it fits your use case.


I have replaced the threads with background asyncio tasks.

I have replaced instances of queue.Queue with asyncio.Queue.

Frank

===

import asyncio

in_queue = asyncio.Queue()
out_queue = asyncio.Queue()

async def worker():
print("worker started running")
while True:
future = await in_queue.get()
print(f"worker got future: {future}")
await asyncio.sleep(5)
print("worker sleeped")
await out_queue.put(future)

async def finalizer():
print("finalizer started running")
while True:
future = await out_queue.get()
print(f"finalizer got future: {future}")
future.set_result("completed")
print("finalizer set result")

async def main():
asyncio.create_task(worker())  # start a background task
asyncio.create_task(finalizer())  # ditto
future = asyncio.get_event_loop().create_future()
await in_queue.put(future)
print(f"main put future: {future}")
result = await asyncio.wait_for(future, timeout=None)
print(result)

if __name__ == "__main__":
# loop = asyncio.get_event_loop()
# loop.run_until_complete(main())

# this is the preferred way to start an asyncio app
asyncio.run(main())


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Re: Using a background thread with asyncio/futures with flask

2024-03-22 Thread Lars Liedtke via Python-list


Sorry, must have missed that :-/


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Am 22.03.24 um 08:58 schrieb Chris Angelico via Python-list:

On Fri, 22 Mar 2024 at 18:35, Lars Liedtke via Python-list
 wrote:



Hey,

As far as I know (might be old news) flask does not support asyncio.

You would have to use a different framework, like e.g. FastAPI or similar. Maybe someone 
has already written "flask with asyncio" but I don't know about that.




Did you try searching their documentation?

https://flask.palletsprojects.com/en/3.0.x/async-await/

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Re: Using a background thread with asyncio/futures with flask

2024-03-22 Thread Frank Millman via Python-list


On 2024-03-20 10:22 AM, Thomas Nyberg via Python-list wrote:


Hello,

I have a simple (and not working) example of what I'm trying to do. This 
is a simplified version of what I'm trying to achieve (obviously the 
background workers and finalizer functions will do more later):


`app.py`

```
import asyncio
import threading
import time
from queue import Queue

from flask import Flask

in_queue = Queue()
out_queue = Queue()


def worker():
     print("worker started running")
     while True:
     future = in_queue.get()
     print(f"worker got future: {future}")
     time.sleep(5)
     print("worker sleeped")
     out_queue.put(future)


def finalizer():
     print("finalizer started running")
     while True:
     future = out_queue.get()
     print(f"finalizer got future: {future}")
     future.set_result("completed")
     print("finalizer set result")


threading.Thread(target=worker, daemon=True).start()
threading.Thread(target=finalizer, daemon=True).start()

app = Flask(__name__)


@app.route("/")
async def root():
     future = asyncio.get_event_loop().create_future()
     in_queue.put(future)
     print(f"root put future: {future}")
     result = await future
     return result


if __name__ == "__main__":
     app.run()
```

If I start up that server, and execute `curl http://localhost:5000`, it 
prints out the following in the server before hanging:


```
$ python3 app.py
worker started running
finalizer started running
  * Serving Flask app 'app'
  * Debug mode: off
WARNING: This is a development server. Do not use it in a production 
deployment. Use a production WSGI server instead.

  * Running on http://127.0.0.1:5000
Press CTRL+C to quit
root put future: 
worker got future: 
worker sleeped
finalizer got future: 
finalizer set result
```

Judging by what's printing out, the `final result = await future` 
doesn't seem to be happy here.


Maybe someone sees something obvious I'm doing wrong here? I presume I'm 
mixing threads and asyncio in a way I shouldn't be.


Here's some system information (just freshly installed with pip3 install 
flask[async] in a virtual environment for python version 3.11.2):


```
$ uname -a
Linux x1carbon 6.1.0-18-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Debian 6.1.76-1 
(2024-02-01) x86_64 GNU/Linux


$ python3 -V
Python 3.11.2

$ pip3 freeze
asgiref==3.7.2
blinker==1.7.0
click==8.1.7
Flask==3.0.2
itsdangerous==2.1.2
Jinja2==3.1.3
MarkupSafe==2.1.5
Werkzeug==3.0.1
```

Thanks for any help!

Cheers,
Thomas


Hi Thomas

I am no expert. However, I do have something similar in my app, and it 
works.


I do not use 'await future', I use 'asyncio.wait_for(future)'.

HTH

Frank Millman


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Re: Using a background thread with asyncio/futures with flask

2024-03-22 Thread Thomas Nyberg via Python-list


Hi,

Yeah so flask does support async (when installed with `pip3 install 
flask[async]), but you are making a good point that flask in this case 
is a distraction. Here's an example using just the standard library that 
exhibits the same issue:


`app.py`
```
import asyncio
import threading
import time
from queue import Queue


in_queue = Queue()
out_queue = Queue()


def worker():
print("worker started running")
while True:
future = in_queue.get()
print(f"worker got future: {future}")
time.sleep(5)
print("worker sleeped")
out_queue.put(future)


def finalizer():
print("finalizer started running")
while True:
future = out_queue.get()
print(f"finalizer got future: {future}")
future.set_result("completed")
print("finalizer set result")


threading.Thread(target=worker).start()
threading.Thread(target=finalizer).start()


async def main():
future = asyncio.get_event_loop().create_future()
in_queue.put(future)
print(f"main put future: {future}")
result = await future
print(result)


if __name__ == "__main__":
loop = asyncio.get_event_loop()
loop.run_until_complete(main())
```

If I run that I see the following printed out (after which is just hangs):

```
$ python3 app.py
worker started running
finalizer started running
main put future: 
worker got future: 
worker sleeped
finalizer got future: 
finalizer set result
```

I believe async uses a cooperative multitasking setup under the hood, so 
I presume the way I'm doing this threading just isn't playing well with 
that (and presumably some csp yield isn't happening somewhere). Anyway 
at this point I feel like the easiest approach is to just throw away 
threads entirely and learn how to do all I want fully in the brave new 
async world, but I'm still curious why this is failing and how to make 
this sort of setup work since it points to my not understanding the 
basic implementation/semantics of async in python.


Thanks for any help!

/Thomas

On 3/22/24 08:27, Lars Liedtke via Python-list wrote:

Hey,

As far as I know (might be old news) flask does not support asyncio.

You would have to use a different framework, like e.g. FastAPI or 
similar. Maybe someone has already written "flask with asyncio" but I 
don't know about that.


Cheers

Lars


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Am 20.03.24 um 09:22 schrieb Thomas Nyberg via Python-list:

Hello,

I have a simple (and not working) example of what I'm trying to do. This 
is a simplified version of what I'm trying to achieve (obviously the 
background workers and finalizer functions will do more later):


`app.py`

```
import asyncio
import threading
import time
from queue import Queue

from flask import Flask

in_queue = Queue()
out_queue = Queue()


def worker():
    print("worker started running")
    while True:
    future = in_queue.get()
    print(f"worker got future: {future}")
    time.sleep(5)
    print("worker sleeped")
    out_queue.put(future)


def finalizer():
    print("finalizer started running")
    while True:
    future = out_queue.get()
    print(f"finalizer got future: {future}")
    future.set_result("completed")
    print("finalizer set result")


threading.Thread(target=worker, daemon=True).start()
threading.Thread(target=finalizer, daemon=True).start()

app = Flask(__name__)


@app.route("/")
async def root():
    future = asyncio.get_event_loop().create_future()
    in_queue.put(future)
    print(f"root put future: {future}")
    result = await future
    return result


if __name__ == "__main__":
    app.run()
```

If I start up that server, and execute `curl http://localhost:5000`, it 
prints out the following in the server before hanging:


```
$ python3 app.py
worker started running
finalizer started running
* Serving Flask app 'app'
* Debug mode: off
WARNING: This is a development server. Do not use it in a production 
deployment. Use a production WSGI server instead.

* Running on http://127.0.0.1:5000
Press CTRL+C to quit
root put future: 
worker got future: 
worker sleeped
finalizer got future: 
finalizer set result
```

Judging by what's printing out, the `final result = await future` 
doesn't seem to be happy here.


Maybe someone sees something obvious I'm doing wrong here? I presume I'm 
mixing threads and asyncio in a way I shouldn't be.


Here

Re: Using a background thread with asyncio/futures with flask

2024-03-22 Thread Chris Angelico via Python-list

On Fri, 22 Mar 2024 at 18:35, Lars Liedtke via Python-list
 wrote:
>
> Hey,
>
> As far as I know (might be old news) flask does not support asyncio.
>
> You would have to use a different framework, like e.g. FastAPI or similar. 
> Maybe someone has already written "flask with asyncio" but I don't know about 
> that.
>

Did you try searching their documentation?

https://flask.palletsprojects.com/en/3.0.x/async-await/

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Re: Using a background thread with asyncio/futures with flask

2024-03-22 Thread Lars Liedtke via Python-list


Hey,

As far as I know (might be old news) flask does not support asyncio.

You would have to use a different framework, like e.g. FastAPI or similar. Maybe someone 
has already written "flask with asyncio" but I don't know about that.

Cheers

Lars


Lars Liedtke
Lead Developer

[Tel.]  +49 721 98993-
[Fax]   +49 721 98993-
[E-Mail]l...@solute.de


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Am 20.03.24 um 09:22 schrieb Thomas Nyberg via Python-list:

Hello,

I have a simple (and not working) example of what I'm trying to do. This is a 
simplified version of what I'm trying to achieve (obviously the background 
workers and finalizer functions will do more later):

`app.py`

```
import asyncio
import threading
import time
from queue import Queue

from flask import Flask

in_queue = Queue()
out_queue = Queue()


def worker():
   print("worker started running")
   while True:
   future = in_queue.get()
   print(f"worker got future: {future}")
   time.sleep(5)
   print("worker sleeped")
   out_queue.put(future)


def finalizer():
   print("finalizer started running")
   while True:
   future = out_queue.get()
   print(f"finalizer got future: {future}")
   future.set_result("completed")
   print("finalizer set result")


threading.Thread(target=worker, daemon=True).start()
threading.Thread(target=finalizer, daemon=True).start()

app = Flask(__name__)


@app.route("/")
async def root():
   future = asyncio.get_event_loop().create_future()
   in_queue.put(future)
   print(f"root put future: {future}")
   result = await future
   return result


if __name__ == "__main__":
   app.run()
```

If I start up that server, and execute `curl http://localhost:5000`, it prints 
out the following in the server before hanging:

```
$ python3 app.py
worker started running
finalizer started running
* Serving Flask app 'app'
* Debug mode: off
WARNING: This is a development server. Do not use it in a production 
deployment. Use a production WSGI server instead.
* Running on http://127.0.0.1:5000
Press CTRL+C to quit
root put future: 
worker got future: 
worker sleeped
finalizer got future: 
finalizer set result
```

Judging by what's printing out, the `final result = await future` doesn't seem 
to be happy here.

Maybe someone sees something obvious I'm doing wrong here? I presume I'm mixing 
threads and asyncio in a way I shouldn't be.

Here's some system information (just freshly installed with pip3 install 
flask[async] in a virtual environment for python version 3.11.2):

```
$ uname -a
Linux x1carbon 6.1.0-18-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Debian 6.1.76-1 
(2024-02-01) x86_64 GNU/Linux

$ python3 -V
Python 3.11.2

$ pip3 freeze
asgiref==3.7.2
blinker==1.7.0
click==8.1.7
Flask==3.0.2
itsdangerous==2.1.2
Jinja2==3.1.3
MarkupSafe==2.1.5
Werkzeug==3.0.1
```

Thanks for any help!

Cheers,
Thomas
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