Re: web frameworks that support Python 3
On Sun, 23 Aug 2009 16:32:09 -0400, Albert Hopkins wrote: What's different about Python 3 is that there is only unicode strings, whereas Python 2 has a string type and a unicode type. Python 2 has str (char) and unicode (wchar) types. Python 3 has bytes (char) and str (wchar) types. The main difference is that Python 3 uses unicode by default, i.e. string literals are unicode rather than byte strings, variables such as sys.argv and os.environ contain unicode strings, etc. There are other differences, e.g.: + Passing a bytes object where str is expected will raise an exception rather than using an automatic conversion + Subscripting a bytes object returns an integer between 0 and 255 + upper(), isalpha(), etc assume ASCII rather than the system encoding -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: web frameworks that support Python 3
In article e9b627c8-eb88-4312-8777-1b0064186...@v15g2000prn.googlegroups.com, Graham Dumpleton graham.dumple...@gmail.com wrote: On Aug 24, 6:34=A0am, Sebastian Wiesner basti.wies...@gmx.net wrote: In any case, there is bottle [1], which provides a *very minimal* framewo= rk for WSGI web development. =A0Don't expect too much, it is really small, a= nd doesn't do much more than routing and minimal templating. However, it is the only Python-3-compatible web framework I know of. [1]http://bottle.paws.de/page/start There is one big flaw with your claim. That is the there is no WSGI specification for Python 3.0 as yet. Anything that claims to work with WSGI and Python 3.0 is just a big guess as far as how WSGI for Python 3.0 may work. Perhaps you meant library instead of specification? I don't understand how a language can be missing a specification. -- Aahz (a...@pythoncraft.com) * http://www.pythoncraft.com/ I support family values -- Addams family values --www.nancybuttons.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: web frameworks that support Python 3
On 01:41 am, a...@pythoncraft.com wrote: In article e9b627c8-eb88-4312-8777-1b0064186...@v15g2000prn.googlegroups.com, Graham Dumpleton graham.dumple...@gmail.com wrote: On Aug 24, 6:34=A0am, Sebastian Wiesner basti.wies...@gmx.net wrote: In any case, there is bottle [1], which provides a *very minimal* framewo= rk for WSGI web development. =A0Don't expect too much, it is really small, a= nd doesn't do much more than routing and minimal templating. However, it is the only Python-3-compatible web framework I know of. [1]http://bottle.paws.de/page/start There is one big flaw with your claim. That is the there is no WSGI specification for Python 3.0 as yet. Anything that claims to work with WSGI and Python 3.0 is just a big guess as far as how WSGI for Python 3.0 may work. Perhaps you meant library instead of specification? He meant specification. Python 3.x is different enough from any Python 2.x release that PEP 333 no longer completely makes sense. It needs to be modified to be applicable to Python 3.x. So, in the sense that there is no written down, generally agreed upon specification for what WSGI on Python 3.x means, there is no... specification. There is, however, apparently, a library. ;) Jean-Paul -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: web frameworks that support Python 3
On Aug 26, 12:19 pm, exar...@twistedmatrix.com wrote: On 01:41 am, a...@pythoncraft.com wrote: In article e9b627c8-eb88-4312-8777-1b0064186...@v15g2000prn.googlegroups.com, Graham Dumpleton graham.dumple...@gmail.com wrote: On Aug 24, 6:34=A0am, Sebastian Wiesner basti.wies...@gmx.net wrote: In any case, there is bottle [1], which provides a *very minimal* framewo= rk for WSGI web development. =A0Don't expect too much, it is really small, a= nd doesn't do much more than routing and minimal templating. However, it is the only Python-3-compatible web framework I know of. [1]http://bottle.paws.de/page/start There is one big flaw with your claim. That is the there is no WSGI specification for Python 3.0 as yet. Anything that claims to work with WSGI and Python 3.0 is just a big guess as far as how WSGI for Python 3.0 may work. Perhaps you meant library instead of specification? He meant specification. Python 3.x is different enough from any Python 2.x release that PEP 333 no longer completely makes sense. It needs to be modified to be applicable to Python 3.x. So, in the sense that there is no written down, generally agreed upon specification for what WSGI on Python 3.x means, there is no... specification. There is, however, apparently, a library. ;) If you are talking about wsgiref then that was somewhat broken in Python 3.0. In Python 3.1 it works for some definition of works. The problem again being that since WSGI specification hasn't been updated for Python 3.X, that how it works will likely not match what the specification may eventually say. This will become more and more of a problem if WSGI specification isn't updated. At the moment the discussion is going around in circles, although, if I put my optimistic face on, I would say it is a slow inward spiral. Not quite a death spiral at least. Graham -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: web frameworks that support Python 3
On Aug 24, 6:34 am, Sebastian Wiesner basti.wies...@gmx.net wrote: At Sunday 23 August 2009 22:13:16 you wrote: I use Chinese and therefore Unicode very heavily, and so Python 3 is an unavoidable choice for me. Python 2.x supports Unicode just as well as Python 3. Every common web framework works perfectly with unicode. In any case, there is bottle [1], which provides a *very minimal* framework for WSGI web development. Don't expect too much, it is really small, and doesn't do much more than routing and minimal templating. However, it is the only Python-3-compatible web framework I know of. [1]http://bottle.paws.de/page/start There is one big flaw with your claim. That is the there is no WSGI specification for Python 3.0 as yet. Anything that claims to work with WSGI and Python 3.0 is just a big guess as far as how WSGI for Python 3.0 may work. I would therefore be a bit cautious with your claim. Graham -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: web frameworks that support Python 3
On Sun, 2009-08-23 at 13:13 -0700, David Prager Branner wrote: I use Chinese and therefore Unicode very heavily, and so Python 3 is an unavoidable choice for me. But I'm frustrated by the fact that Django, Pylons, and TurboGears do not support Python 3 yet and (according to their development websites) will not for a very long time to come. So I am asking for recommendations for web frameworks that support Python 3. I am running Ubuntu 9.04 (Jaunty). Python 2.x has Unicode. In fact Django and the like use unicode heavily. What's different about Python 3 is that there is only unicode strings, whereas Python 2 has a string type and a unicode type. So it's not true that Python 3 is an unavoidable choice for using unicode. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: web frameworks that support Python 3
At Sunday 23 August 2009 22:13:16 you wrote: I use Chinese and therefore Unicode very heavily, and so Python 3 is an unavoidable choice for me. Python 2.x supports Unicode just as well as Python 3. Every common web framework works perfectly with unicode. In any case, there is bottle [1], which provides a *very minimal* framework for WSGI web development. Don't expect too much, it is really small, and doesn't do much more than routing and minimal templating. However, it is the only Python-3-compatible web framework I know of. [1] http://bottle.paws.de/page/start -- Freedom is always the freedom of dissenters. (Rosa Luxemburg) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: web frameworks that support Python 3
David Prager Branner wrote: I use Chinese and therefore Unicode very heavily, and so Python 3 is an unavoidable choice for me. As others noted before, this statement is not true by itself. But I'm frustrated by the fact that Django, Pylons, and TurboGears do not support Python 3 yet and (according to their development websites) will not for a very long time to come. http://wiki.python.org/moin/PortingDjangoTo3k Stefan -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
