What is a real name, round 668 (was Re: when can i expect libraries and third party tools to be updated for python 3 ?)
In article <87tz4jl66c@benfinney.id.au>, Ben Finney wrote: > >(Is there hope that you could set your From field using your real name >so we can discuss with a real person instead of a pseudonym?) Could you define what a "real name" is? (If you think the above sounds annoyed, you are certainly correct; I have little patience for this nonsense.) -- Aahz (a...@pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." --Red Adair -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: when can i expect libraries and third party tools to be updated for python 3 ?
On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 3:40 PM, Stefan Behnel wrote: > alessiogiovanni.baroni wrote: > > On 20 Apr, 15:47, Deep_Feelings wrote: > > > every one is telling "dont go with python 3 , 3rd party tools and > > > libraries have no compitability with python 3" > > > > > > so from previous experience : when can i expect libraries and third > > > party tools to be updated for python 3 ? (especially libraries ) > > > > When the authors of a every library wants update to 3 :-D. > > > ... or give a hand to the projects you need, if you don't want to sit and > wait. > > Stefan > > > -- > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list > I think this is the key, really. I see a lot of people asking about when libraries will get ported to python 3, and it seems to me like a lot of people could just do a little reading on the tools provided for migrating, pull the dev version of the library, and take a crack at it. I'm sure the various library authors would be appreciative. Of course, it's probably hard for a lot of people to find time to do so (this does not exclude the library authors), and a good amount of the people asking probably aren't quite to the point that they could just dive in to an unfamiliar codebase. I would say that porting libraries to 3 would probably be a decent way of improving ones python chops though. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: when can i expect libraries and third party tools to be updated for python 3 ?
(Is there hope that you could set your ‘From’ field using your real name so we can discuss with a real person instead of a pseudonym?) Deep_Feelings writes: > every one is telling "dont go with python 3 , 3rd party tools and > libraries have no compitability with python 3" That's a situation that will change over time, of course; *entirely new* code, with no external dependencies, is encouraged to use Python 3.x where feasible, and the number of existing libraries ported to Python 3.x can be expected to increase. > so from previous experience : Whose previous experience? Python has never been in such a situation before, so I'm not sure what previous experience you expect to apply. > when can i expect libraries and third party tools to be updated for > python 3 ? (especially libraries ) That will differ for each and every third party and library, of course. Some will switch rapidly, others slowly, and still others will molder unmaintained and never convert. More to the point, you don't need to know when *every* party switches; just the parties that produce the libraries in which you're interested. Why not ask the parties themselves? -- \ “If we have to give up either religion or education, we should | `\ give up education.” —William Jennings Bryan, 1923-01 | _o__) | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: when can i expect libraries and third party tools to be updated for python 3 ?
Deep_Feelings wrote: > every one is telling "dont go with python 3 , 3rd party tools and > libraries have no compitability with python 3" > > so from previous experience : when can i expect libraries and third > party tools to be updated for python 3 ? (especially libraries ) The problem is: there is no previous experience. At least not in Python-land. Despite its major number, Python 2.0 was not disruptive. -- Gerhard -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: when can i expect libraries and third party tools to be updated for python 3 ?
On Apr 20, 9:47 am, Deep_Feelings wrote: > every one is telling "dont go with python 3 , 3rd party tools and > libraries have no compitability with python 3" > > so from previous experience : when can i expect libraries and third > party tools to be updated for python 3 ? (especially libraries ) I predict: one year. (THIS PREDICTION IS PROVIDED "AS IS", WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE AND NONINFRINGEMENT. IN NO EVENT SHALL THE AUTHOR BE LIABLE FOR ANY CLAIM, DAMAGES OR OTHER LIABILITY, WHETHER IN AN ACTION OF CONTRACT, TORT OR OTHERWISE, ARISING FROM, OUT OF OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE PREDICTION OR THE USE OR OTHER DEALINGS IN THE PREDICTION.) :-) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: when can i expect libraries and third party tools to be updated for python 3 ?
alessiogiovanni.baroni wrote: > On 20 Apr, 15:47, Deep_Feelings wrote: > > every one is telling "dont go with python 3 , 3rd party tools and > > libraries have no compitability with python 3" > > > > so from previous experience : when can i expect libraries and third > > party tools to be updated for python 3 ? (especially libraries ) > > When the authors of a every library wants update to 3 :-D. Yes, that is the correct answer. From what I read, I would say that in most projects, work or at least discussion has started regarding Py3 compatibility, but it's not always trivial to get there, so (wo)manpower will often be the limiting factor. This is specifically a problem in C extensions, where running the 2to3 tool is not an option and adding a 'b' in selected places won't do the job. Note, BTW, that you do not have to wait for *all* Python libraries to be ported. Just check when the libraries you require or want to use get ported (or ask the authors or the development communities), and try a switch when it looks like all you need is there. ... or give a hand to the projects you need, if you don't want to sit and wait. Stefan -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: when can i expect libraries and third party tools to be updated for python 3 ?
On 20 Apr, 15:47, Deep_Feelings wrote: > every one is telling "dont go with python 3 , 3rd party tools and > libraries have no compitability with python 3" > > so from previous experience : when can i expect libraries and third > party tools to be updated for python 3 ? (especially libraries ) When the authors of a every library wants update to 3 :-D. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
