Re: why is this group being spammed?
be.krul a écrit : Why not moderate this group? This is a hi-traffic group, so it would require a huge team of moderators. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: why is this group being spammed?
On 07/18/2010 03:58 PM, Edward A. Falk wrote: In article334170d5-a336-4506-bda1-279b40908...@k1g2000prl.googlegroups.com, be.krulbe.k...@gmail.com wrote: why is this group being spammed? They're *all* being spammed. Why? Because they can, and because Google doesn't care. Not only does Google not care, but they've made Usenet more accessible to the general public. How is that bad? You go back in time, before Google bought out Deja News, and ask the average Tom, Dick, or Harry if they knew what Usenet was. Their response probably would have been No or Maybe... or Isn't that dead? Now more people know about Usenet and don't have to go through the hassle of finding a free server (or paying), getting a reliable newsreader (Thunderbird, XNews, etc.), and learning posting COME TO MY WEBSITE!!111!! anywhere (except misc.test) will get you mocked and ridiculed. ;) Now there's nothing wrong with making a newsserver publicly available and free, but when you maintain it like a throw-away blog, allowing child porn, spam, et al., you might as well kiss customer trust goodbye. Welcome to the Age of Google! :) A nice little page that I found that, unfortunately, is dead, has some info on Google Groups: http://web.archive.org/web/20080124152054/http://improve-usenet.org/ -- People should read more. https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/User:MithrandirAgain All that is gold does not glitter, not all those who wander are lost; the old that is strong does not wither, deep roots are not reached by the frost. From the ashes a fire shall be woken, a light from the shadows shall spring; renewed shall be blade that was broken, the crownless again shall be king. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: why is this group being spammed?
Python-list is comp.lang.python turned into mailing list form. gmane is python-list turned back into a newsgroup. The reason it gets less spam is because it's behind the mailing list's spam filters. Both the mailing list and gmane should see the same amount of spam. which is way less than the original newsgroup/Google Group sees. On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 12:28 PM, Jia Hu huji...@gmail.com wrote: I subscribe for this mailing list at http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Jia Hu huji...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, can I subscribe this by gmail? On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Mark Lawrence breamore...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: On 24/07/2010 18:01, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote: On Sat, 24 Jul 2010 07:32:30 -0700 (PDT), be.krulbe.k...@gmail.com declaimed the following in gmane.comp.python.general: But maybe owner of this group do no care in that case we *all* get spammed! There is NO OWNER of comp.lang.python; and turning a comp.* group into moderated takes a fairly long time assuming you can find someone willing to be the moderators -- what would likely happen is that comp.lang.python.moderated would be created and then take a few months to be picked up by the servers, and a few more months for the real users to leave comp.lang.python to use it. Oh, and also the hassle of the mailing-listusenet gateway (does it pass traffic to both groups, drop the existing one, etc.). And readers on Google may still see spam if Google takes posts stuff before it passes through the moderation board. For the benefit of those who might have missed it, I'll repeat that I'm reading this from gmane.comp.python.general and see little or no spam. Regards. Mark Lawrence. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: why is this group being spammed?
On Jul 17, 10:40 pm, Stephen Hansen me+list/pyt...@ixokai.io wrote: On 7/17/10 10:01 PM, be.krul wrote: why is this group being spammed? Because while God created the Internet, the Devil twisted it by creating spammers. What do you expect? Adam just didn't pay enough attention when Eve made him a waldorf salad; we descendants of Seth have gone and tried to devour not only the knowledge of good and evil but all knowledge of all things, most notably breasts. Of course there'd be a dire consequence for our hubris. -- Stephen Hansen ... Also: Ixokai ... Mail: me+list/python (AT) ixokai (DOT) io ... Blog:http://meh.ixokai.io/ signature.asc 1KViewDownload Interesting, I thought Al Gore creted Internet!? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Jul 17, 10:09 pm, Chris Rebert c...@rebertia.com wrote: On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 10:01 PM, be.krul be.k...@gmail.com wrote: why is this group being spammed? Because that's what happens in unmoderated USENET newsgroups. Cheers, Chris I thought this group can be moderated, but turns out this is USENET Group.. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Jul 17, 10:24 pm, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote: be.krul be.k...@gmail.com writes: why is this group being spammed? What kind of answer are you looking for? Are you asking about the motives of spammers, or the technical explanation for how the spam arrives, or something else? -- \ “The best ad-libs are rehearsed.” —Graham Kennedy | `\ | _o__) | Ben Finney Why not moderate this group? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: why is this group being spammed?
On Jul 17, 10:57 pm, Alf P. Steinbach /Usenet alf.p.steinbach +use...@gmail.com wrote: * be.krul, on 18.07.2010 07:01: why is this group being spammed? It depends a little on what you're asking, e.g. technical versus motivation. But I'll answer about something you probably didn't mean to ask, namely what human trait enables and almost forces that kind of behavior. And I believe it is the same trait that let hypnotists do funny TV-shows with quite normal folks behaving in ridiculous ways, the same trait that causes wars, the same trait that causes religion, the same trait that holds back science so that paradigm shifts only occur when new generations take over, a trait that /makes/ your feet start moving to the rhythm when you hear the right kind of music, and so on. Namely the instinctual drive to fit in in a social group by sharing that group's behavior and values. This instinct is possibly stronger than the sex drive, e.g., wars are seldom fought over sex (surrender, and give us sex!, no, that's not it, it's surrender, and become part of us!). Consider, there would be almost no spam if spamming didn't pay. And the only way that spam can pay is if there are at least some suckers with good money. And the only way that there can be a reasonable number of suckers of such monumental stupidity, who also have good money, is, as I see it, if intelligence and good sense is not a requirement for succeeding in society. But what is required, then, for succeeding in society? Some of it is no doubt blind chance, but I believe that the main requirement is simply one of fitting in, conformance. Thus, if my hypothesis is right, almost any idiot can rise to any level of responsibility and social standing simply by fitting in, conforming. This idiot then has good money and might be one of the suckers responding to spam. Cheers, - Alf -- blog at url:http://alfps.wordpress.com Alf - You re my next hero! Who could answer so eloquently. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: why is this group being spammed?
On Jul 17, 10:01 pm, be.krul be.k...@gmail.com wrote: why is this group being spammed? What I was asking is why not moderate the group. this is the only Python group I could find.. But maybe owner of this group do no care in that case we *all* get spammed! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On 07/24/2010 04:20 PM, be.krul wrote: On Jul 17, 10:09 pm, Chris Rebert c...@rebertia.com wrote: On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 10:01 PM, be.krul be.k...@gmail.com wrote: why is this group being spammed? Because that's what happens in unmoderated USENET newsgroups. Cheers, Chris I thought this group can be moderated, but turns out this is USENET Group.. What did you think it was? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: why is this group being spammed?
On Jul 24, 7:39 am, Thomas Jollans tho...@jollans.com wrote: On 07/24/2010 04:20 PM, be.krul wrote: On Jul 17, 10:09 pm, Chris Rebert c...@rebertia.com wrote: On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 10:01 PM, be.krul be.k...@gmail.com wrote: why is this group being spammed? Because that's what happens in unmoderated USENET newsgroups. Cheers, Chris I thought this group can be moderated, but turns out this is USENET Group.. What did you think it was? Because i joined from Goggle Groups and not the Usenet Client. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: why is this group being spammed?
On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 11:01 PM, be.krul be.k...@gmail.com wrote: why is this group being spammed? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list Here's a few of theories: 1) This isn't a strong enough community to warrant a group of people who moderate the list and make sure spam doesn't come through 2) Thousands of python hackers aren't smart enough to figure out how to stop spam 3) Whenever people post threads asking why this list is getting spammed they get heckled 4) Uber leet old skool script kiddies read the list through some mechanism that allows them to get rid of the spam, unlike the other 99% of us. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Brian, would you like to volunteer? On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 8:59 AM, Brian J Mingus brian.min...@colorado.eduwrote: On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 11:01 PM, be.krul be.k...@gmail.com wrote: why is this group being spammed? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list Here's a few of theories: 1) This isn't a strong enough community to warrant a group of people who moderate the list and make sure spam doesn't come through 2) Thousands of python hackers aren't smart enough to figure out how to stop spam 3) Whenever people post threads asking why this list is getting spammed they get heckled 4) Uber leet old skool script kiddies read the list through some mechanism that allows them to get rid of the spam, unlike the other 99% of us. -- \|/ ( ~ ~ ) @( 0 0 )@ ( C ) \ \_/ / |___| | | -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: why is this group being spammed?
On 24/07/2010 18:01, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote: On Sat, 24 Jul 2010 07:32:30 -0700 (PDT), be.krulbe.k...@gmail.com declaimed the following in gmane.comp.python.general: But maybe owner of this group do no care in that case we *all* get spammed! There is NO OWNER of comp.lang.python; and turning a comp.* group into moderated takes a fairly long time assuming you can find someone willing to be the moderators -- what would likely happen is that comp.lang.python.moderated would be created and then take a few months to be picked up by the servers, and a few more months for the real users to leave comp.lang.python to use it. Oh, and also the hassle of the mailing-listusenet gateway (does it pass traffic to both groups, drop the existing one, etc.). And readers on Google may still see spam if Google takes posts stuff before it passes through the moderation board. For the benefit of those who might have missed it, I'll repeat that I'm reading this from gmane.comp.python.general and see little or no spam. Regards. Mark Lawrence. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Hi, can I subscribe this by gmail? On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Mark Lawrence breamore...@yahoo.co.ukwrote: On 24/07/2010 18:01, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote: On Sat, 24 Jul 2010 07:32:30 -0700 (PDT), be.krulbe.k...@gmail.com declaimed the following in gmane.comp.python.general: But maybe owner of this group do no care in that case we *all* get spammed! There is NO OWNER of comp.lang.python; and turning a comp.* group into moderated takes a fairly long time assuming you can find someone willing to be the moderators -- what would likely happen is that comp.lang.python.moderated would be created and then take a few months to be picked up by the servers, and a few more months for the real users to leave comp.lang.python to use it. Oh, and also the hassle of the mailing-listusenet gateway (does it pass traffic to both groups, drop the existing one, etc.). And readers on Google may still see spam if Google takes posts stuff before it passes through the moderation board. For the benefit of those who might have missed it, I'll repeat that I'm reading this from gmane.comp.python.general and see little or no spam. Regards. Mark Lawrence. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: why is this group being spammed?
I subscribe for this mailing list at http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Jia Hu huji...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, can I subscribe this by gmail? On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Mark Lawrence breamore...@yahoo.co.ukwrote: On 24/07/2010 18:01, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote: On Sat, 24 Jul 2010 07:32:30 -0700 (PDT), be.krulbe.k...@gmail.com declaimed the following in gmane.comp.python.general: But maybe owner of this group do no care in that case we *all* get spammed! There is NO OWNER of comp.lang.python; and turning a comp.* group into moderated takes a fairly long time assuming you can find someone willing to be the moderators -- what would likely happen is that comp.lang.python.moderated would be created and then take a few months to be picked up by the servers, and a few more months for the real users to leave comp.lang.python to use it. Oh, and also the hassle of the mailing-listusenet gateway (does it pass traffic to both groups, drop the existing one, etc.). And readers on Google may still see spam if Google takes posts stuff before it passes through the moderation board. For the benefit of those who might have missed it, I'll repeat that I'm reading this from gmane.comp.python.general and see little or no spam. Regards. Mark Lawrence. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: why is this group being spammed?
On 24/07/2010 20:28, Jia Hu wrote: I subscribe for this mailing list at http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list I read through Thunderbird on Windows direct to gmane.comp.python.general. I'm no expert on such things, but assume that they are simply better [or less profitable :)] at filtering spam than the diabolical google groups. I'm unsure as to how the main mailing list that is given above works, I'm sure that someone more knowledgable than myself will soon let us know. Regards. Mark Lawrence. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: why is this group being spammed?
be.krul be.k...@gmail.com writes: On Jul 17, 10:01 pm, be.krul be.k...@gmail.com wrote: why is this group being spammed? What I was asking is why not moderate the group. this is the only Python group I could find.. Controlling spam starts by you! Report it. And certainly don't reply to spam by qouting the entire (religious) spam message. Moron. -- John Bokma j3b Hacking Hiking in Mexico - http://johnbokma.com/ http://castleamber.com/ - Perl Python Development -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: why is this group being spammed?
On 7/17/10 10:01 PM, be.krul wrote: why is this group being spammed? Because while God created the Internet, the Devil twisted it by creating spammers. What do you expect? Adam just didn't pay enough attention when Eve made him a waldorf salad; we descendants of Seth have gone and tried to devour not only the knowledge of good and evil but all knowledge of all things, most notably breasts. Of course there'd be a dire consequence for our hubris. -- Stephen Hansen ... Also: Ixokai ... Mail: me+list/python (AT) ixokai (DOT) io ... Blog: http://meh.ixokai.io/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: why is this group being spammed?
be.krul be.k...@gmail.com writes: why is this group being spammed? Do you report those spammers? While Google is extremely lazy with dealing with spammers, if sufficient people report them action might be taken. Also make sure to report those spammers with their ISP; posts via GG contain the posting IP address. Even trolls can be hurt, if enough people report them: http://www.xahlee.org/Periodic_dosage_dir/t2/harassment.html -- John Bokma j3b Hacking Hiking in Mexico - http://johnbokma.com/ http://castleamber.com/ - Perl Python Development -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: why is this group being spammed?
I use Gmail. When I receive spams, I will click Report Spam. In addition, I will not empty the spam box of my email immediately. When I receive about 25 spams, I will click Filter messages like these to filter all the spams and let gmail automatically delete them. On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 1:20 PM, John Bokma j...@castleamber.com wrote: be.krul be.k...@gmail.com writes: why is this group being spammed? Do you report those spammers? While Google is extremely lazy with dealing with spammers, if sufficient people report them action might be taken. Also make sure to report those spammers with their ISP; posts via GG contain the posting IP address. Even trolls can be hurt, if enough people report them: http://www.xahlee.org/Periodic_dosage_dir/t2/harassment.html -- John Bokma j3b Hacking Hiking in Mexico - http://johnbokma.com/ http://castleamber.com/ - Perl Python Development -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: why is this group being spammed?
On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 15:18:59 -0700, sturlamolden wrote: why is this group being spammed? There used to be bots that issued cancel messages against spam, but I don't think they are actively maintained anymore. Mostly because cancel messages are invariably ignored nowadays. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Hi noboby: How can you make the current email and name hidden? On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 2:42 PM, Nobody nob...@nowhere.com wrote: On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 15:18:59 -0700, sturlamolden wrote: why is this group being spammed? There used to be bots that issued cancel messages against spam, but I don't think they are actively maintained anymore. Mostly because cancel messages are invariably ignored nowadays. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: why is this group being spammed?
* be.krul, on 18.07.2010 07:01: why is this group being spammed? It depends a little on what you're asking, e.g. technical versus motivation. But I'll answer about something you probably didn't mean to ask, namely what human trait enables and almost forces that kind of behavior. And I believe it is the same trait that let hypnotists do funny TV-shows with quite normal folks behaving in ridiculous ways, the same trait that causes wars, the same trait that causes religion, the same trait that holds back science so that paradigm shifts only occur when new generations take over, a trait that /makes/ your feet start moving to the rhythm when you hear the right kind of music, and so on. Namely the instinctual drive to fit in in a social group by sharing that group's behavior and values. This instinct is possibly stronger than the sex drive, e.g., wars are seldom fought over sex (surrender, and give us sex!, no, that's not it, it's surrender, and become part of us!). Consider, there would be almost no spam if spamming didn't pay. And the only way that spam can pay is if there are at least some suckers with good money. And the only way that there can be a reasonable number of suckers of such monumental stupidity, who also have good money, is, as I see it, if intelligence and good sense is not a requirement for succeeding in society. But what is required, then, for succeeding in society? Some of it is no doubt blind chance, but I believe that the main requirement is simply one of fitting in, conformance. Thus, if my hypothesis is right, almost any idiot can rise to any level of responsibility and social standing simply by fitting in, conforming. This idiot then has good money and might be one of the suckers responding to spam. Cheers, - Alf -- blog at url: http://alfps.wordpress.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On 18.07.2010 08:09, geremy condra wrote: On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 10:57 PM, Alf P. Steinbach /Usenet alf.p.steinbach+use...@gmail.com wrote: in in a social group by sharing that group's behavior and values. This instinct is possibly stronger than the sex drive, e.g., wars are seldom fought over sex (surrender, and give us sex!, no, that's not it, it's surrender, and become part of us!). Helen of Troy begs to differ. Britney Spears, too. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 12:49 AM, Johannes Kleese j.kle...@arcor.de wrote: On 18.07.2010 08:09, geremy condra wrote: On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 10:57 PM, Alf P. Steinbach /Usenet alf.p.steinbach+use...@gmail.com wrote: in in a social group by sharing that group's behavior and values. This instinct is possibly stronger than the sex drive, e.g., wars are seldom fought over sex (surrender, and give us sex!, no, that's not it, it's surrender, and become part of us!). Helen of Troy begs to differ. Britney Spears, too. Sorry, which war was that again? Cheers, Chris -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: why is this group being spammed?
On 18 Jul, 07:01, be.krul be.k...@gmail.com wrote: why is this group being spammed? There used to be bots that issued cancel messages against spam, but I don't think they are actively maintained anymore. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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In article 334170d5-a336-4506-bda1-279b40908...@k1g2000prl.googlegroups.com, be.krul be.k...@gmail.com wrote: why is this group being spammed? They're *all* being spammed. Why? Because they can, and because Google doesn't care. -- -Ed Falk, f...@despams.r.us.com http://thespamdiaries.blogspot.com/ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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In article i1u511$b3...@news.eternal-september.org, Alf P. Steinbach /Usenet alf.p.steinbach+use...@gmail.com wrote: Consider, there would be almost no spam if spamming didn't pay. Or if ISPs refused to tolerate it from their customers. -- -Ed Falk, f...@despams.r.us.com http://thespamdiaries.blogspot.com/ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: why is this group being spammed?
On 18/07/2010 23:58, Edward A. Falk wrote: In article334170d5-a336-4506-bda1-279b40908...@k1g2000prl.googlegroups.com, be.krulbe.k...@gmail.com wrote: why is this group being spammed? They're *all* being spammed. Why? Because they can, and because Google doesn't care. I see little or nothing because I read through gmane.comp.python.general. Kindest regards. Mark Lawrence. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: why is this group being spammed?
On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 10:01 PM, be.krul be.k...@gmail.com wrote: why is this group being spammed? Because that's what happens in unmoderated USENET newsgroups. Cheers, Chris -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: why is this group being spammed?
be.krul be.k...@gmail.com writes: why is this group being spammed? What kind of answer are you looking for? Are you asking about the motives of spammers, or the technical explanation for how the spam arrives, or something else? -- \ “The best ad-libs are rehearsed.” —Graham Kennedy | `\ | _o__) | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
