Re: So you think PythonCard is old? Here's new wine in an old bottle.
Have you shown this stuff to the google AppEngine folks! Thats being touted as the thing that'll make web-2 easy but you have to write code (Python) which will turn off 99% of possible users. What made Hypercard really great (and Supercard on DOS, and the new clones like Revolution) is that it was a drag-n-drop GUI designer, it built-in the data storage (persistence layer is what we call it now) it was INTEGRATED, (you only had to get the one thing, not heinz-57- bloody-pieces) and it used an easily-readable interpreted programming language. App-Engine has the persistence, and the integration, its missing the others and without them it'll never be great. call those guys, they need you! I need your stuff on their infrastructure. THAT would be worth a case of champagne. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: So you think PythonCard is old? Here's new wine in an old bottle.
On May 30, 9:50 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you shown this stuff to the google AppEngine folks! Thats being touted as the thing that'll make web-2 easy App-Engine has the persistence, and the integration, its missing the others and without them it'll never be great. Google App Engine is _only_ focused on providing a framework for scaleable apps, the GUI end is left entirely up to the developer (and really _shouldn't_ be integrated at that level, IMO). There's nothing preventing you from building something on top of GAE that does what you want; using their AJAX Libraries API is a good place to start: http://code.google.com/apis/ajaxlibs/ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: So you think PythonCard is old? Here's new wine in an old bottle.
On May 5, 11:04 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John, you are the man during my search for perfection, I found Qooxdoo (http://qooxdoo.org/). ... I found QxTransformer (http://sites.google.com/a/qxtransformer.org/qxtransformer/Home) which is a XSLT toolkit that creats XML code that invoke qooxdoo. Qooxdoo is indeed really impressive. But I read that YAHOO will serve the javascript files for you from their CDN when you use YUI, for free, and that's no peanuts, so I wonder, did you find anything at all like that that could be used with YUI? Sorry but I don't know any of this. I am pretty new to web programming. I have evaluated XForms, Laszlo, Flex, ZK, ... but I have to say QxTransformer is the cleverest solution I have found so far (thanks to you). I love it. I want Pythoncard. I feel with you I have done quite a bit of work to improve things. We are now officially calling the project PyQooxCard. See: http://sites.google.com/a/qxtransformer.org/qxtransformer/Home I put together my first app which took less than a day. Not bad because there are 36 screens, and over 100 data fields. See: http://epc.powersystemadvisors.com 3 cheers to PythonCard. Thanks! Jaime -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: So you think PythonCard is old? Here's new wine in an old bottle.
John, you are the man during my search for perfection, I found Qooxdoo (http://qooxdoo.org/). ... I found QxTransformer (http://sites.google.com/a/qxtransformer.org/qxtransformer/Home) which is a XSLT toolkit that creats XML code that invoke qooxdoo. Qooxdoo is indeed really impressive. But I read that YAHOO will serve the javascript files for you from their CDN when you use YUI, for free, and that's no peanuts, so I wonder, did you find anything at all like that that could be used with YUI? I have evaluated XForms, Laszlo, Flex, ZK, ... but I have to say QxTransformer is the cleverest solution I have found so far (thanks to you). I love it. I want Pythoncard. I feel with you Thanks! Jaime -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: So you think PythonCard is old? Here's new wine in an old bottle.
For serveral years, I have been looking for a way to migrate away from desktop GUI/client-server programming onto the browser based network computing model of programming. Unfortunately, up until recently, browser based programs are very limited - due to the limitation of HTML itself. Eventhough PythonCard hasn't keep up with the latest widgets in wxpython, the programs so created still works a lot better - until now. If you look at programs at some of the major sites these days - like Google calendar, Netflix, blockbuster, and so forth - you would undoubtedly notice that the quality of the programs are pretty much at par with the desktop programs we use everyday. Since the curious mind wanted to know how these programs are done, I started investigating and found out that what a difference a few years have made to Javascript - the once much hated beast of the Internet age - and during my search for perfection, I found Qooxdoo (http:// qooxdoo.org/). Qooxdoo is a Javascript toolkit that sits on top of Ajax. Take a look at some of the *impressive* widgets at http://demo.qooxdoo.org/current/showcase/#Form. So, what's that got to do with Pythoncard? Read on. After trying for a few days learning Qooxdoo, my head really really hurts. Getting too old to learn this stuff, I was mumbling. Then I looked some more. I found QxTransformer (http:// sites.google.com/a/qxtransformer.org/qxtransformer/Home) which is a XSLT toolkit that creats XML code that invoke qooxdoo. So, what's that got to do with Pythoncard? Read on. After trying for a few days learning QxTransformer, my head really really hurts. Getting too old to learn this stuff, I was mumbling. I want Pythoncard. Damn Pythoncard! Once you got hooked, everything else looks impossibly complicated and unproductive. But then I looked closer. It turns out the XML file created by QxTransformer is *very* similar in structure when compared to the resource files used in PythonCard. Since there are no GUI builders for QxTransformer, and I can't affort to buy the one for Qooxdoo (Java! Yuk!), I decided to roll up my sleeves, took the Pythoncard's Layout Manager and modified it and created my own Poor Man's Qooxdoo GUI Layout Designer. The result? See the partially completed application at: http://test.powersystemadvisors.com/ and the same application running from the desktop: http://test.powersystemadvisors.com/desktopHelloWorld.jpg It shouldn't be long before I can fill in the gaps and have the GUI builder maps the rest of the Pythoncard widgets to Qooxdoo widgets. Once I've done that, I can have the same application running from the desktop, or from the browser. And it shouldn't take more than minutes to create such applications. Welcome to the modernized world of Pythoncard!!! Any reason you chose qooxdoo over ext.js? Cheers, Daniel -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: So you think PythonCard is old? Here's new wine in an old bottle.
Hi, I am one of the two developers working on the xml-to-javascript converter (qxtransformer) John has mentioned and we are thrilled that our project has found a use in the PythonCard community. However, we have a problem getting PythonCard to work on our Macs (Mac OS 10.5 Leopard). We should probably be asking this on the PythonCard help list, but since the list seems to be somewhat deserted (very few posts) and John is active here and people seem to be using PythonCard, maybe someone has an idea. It might be very simple and stupid - I have never worked with python before. I am using - PythonCard 0.8.2 release on Leopard, which is copied by setup.py to / Library/Python/2.5/site-packages - John's layoutEditor package, (http://qxtransformer.googlegroups.com/ web/layoutEditor.zip) PythonCard email list says that Leopard and PythonCard 0.8.2 seem to like each other generally: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=EE5213D5-A005-4ED0-9512-111B6D4F06A7%40bu.eduforum_name=pythoncard-users and I can get the examples working. However, when I start John's modified layoutEditor.py, I get an empty window and the following error is thrown: no resource file for /Users/bibliograph/Programme/PythonCard/tools/ layoutEditor/multipropertyEditor Traceback (most recent call last): File /BinaryCache/wxWidgets/wxWidgets-11~57/Root/System/Library/ Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/Extras/lib/python/wx-2.8-mac- unicode/wx/_core.py, line 14095, in lambda File /Library/Python/2.5/site-packages/PythonCard/tools/ layoutEditor/layoutEditor.py, line 153, in on_initialize self.propertyEditorWindow = model.childWindow(self, PropertyEditor) File /Library/Python/2.5/site-packages/PythonCard/model.py, line 213, in childWindow rsrc = resource.ResourceFile(filename).getResource() File /Library/Python/2.5/site-packages/PythonCard/resource.py, line 45, in __init__ self.dictionary = util.readAndEvalFile(rsrcFileName) File /Library/Python/2.5/site-packages/PythonCard/util.py, line 39, in readAndEvalFile f = open(filename) TypeError: coercing to Unicode: need string or buffer, NoneType found there is a file PythonCard/tools/layoutEditor/modules/ multipropertyEditor.rsrc.py When I resize the window, I get the following errors Tue Apr 29 10:48:08 noname Python[40440] Error: CGContextConcatCTM: invalid context Tue Apr 29 10:48:08 noname Python[40440] Error: CGContextSaveGState: invalid context Tue Apr 29 10:48:08 noname Python[40440] Error: doClip: invalid context Tue Apr 29 10:48:08 noname Python[40440] Error: CGContextSaveGState: invalid context Tue Apr 29 10:48:08 noname Python[40440] Error: CGContextSetBlendMode: invalid context Tue Apr 29 10:48:08 noname Python[40440] Error: CGContextSetShouldAntialias: invalid context Traceback (most recent call last): File /Library/Python/2.5/site-packages/PythonCard/model.py, line 884, in _dispatch handler(background, aWxEvent) File /Library/Python/2.5/site-packages/PythonCard/tools/ layoutEditor/layoutEditor.py, line 560, in on_size self.createDC() File /Library/Python/2.5/site-packages/PythonCard/tools/ layoutEditor/layoutEditor.py, line 556, in createDC dc.SetLogicalFunction(wx.INVERT) File /BinaryCache/wxWidgets/wxWidgets-11~57/Root/System/Library/ Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/Extras/lib/python/wx-2.8-mac- unicode/wx/_gdi.py, line 4079, in SetLogicalFunction wx._core.PyAssertionError: C++ assertion status == noErr failed at ../src/mac/carbon/graphics.cpp(1324) in EnsureIsValid(): Cannot nest wxDCs on the same window Thanks for any pointers, Christian -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: So you think PythonCard is old? Here's new wine in an old bottle.
On Apr 29, 1:57 am, Panyasan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I am one of the two developers working on the xml-to-javascript converter (qxtransformer) John has mentioned and we are thrilled that our project has found a use in the PythonCard community. However, we have a problem getting PythonCard to work on our Macs (Mac OS 10.5 Leopard). We should probably be asking this on the PythonCard help list, but since the list seems to be somewhat deserted (very few posts) and John is active here and people seem to be using PythonCard, maybe someone has an idea. It might be very simple and stupid - I have never worked with python before. I am using - PythonCard 0.8.2 release on Leopard, which is copied by setup.py to / Library/Python/2.5/site-packages - John's layoutEditor package, (http://qxtransformer.googlegroups.com/ web/layoutEditor.zip) PythonCard email list says that Leopard and PythonCard 0.8.2 seem to like each other generally: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=EE5213D5-A00... and I can get the examples working. However, when I start John's modified layoutEditor.py, I get an empty window and the following error is thrown: no resource file for /Users/bibliograph/Programme/PythonCard/tools/ layoutEditor/multipropertyEditor Traceback (most recent call last): File /BinaryCache/wxWidgets/wxWidgets-11~57/Root/System/Library/ Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/Extras/lib/python/wx-2.8-mac- unicode/wx/_core.py, line 14095, in lambda File /Library/Python/2.5/site-packages/PythonCard/tools/ layoutEditor/layoutEditor.py, line 153, in on_initialize self.propertyEditorWindow = model.childWindow(self, PropertyEditor) File /Library/Python/2.5/site-packages/PythonCard/model.py, line 213, in childWindow rsrc = resource.ResourceFile(filename).getResource() File /Library/Python/2.5/site-packages/PythonCard/resource.py, line 45, in __init__ self.dictionary = util.readAndEvalFile(rsrcFileName) File /Library/Python/2.5/site-packages/PythonCard/util.py, line 39, in readAndEvalFile f = open(filename) TypeError: coercing to Unicode: need string or buffer, NoneType found there is a file PythonCard/tools/layoutEditor/modules/ multipropertyEditor.rsrc.py When I resize the window, I get the following errors Tue Apr 29 10:48:08 noname Python[40440] Error: CGContextConcatCTM: invalid context Tue Apr 29 10:48:08 noname Python[40440] Error: CGContextSaveGState: invalid context Tue Apr 29 10:48:08 noname Python[40440] Error: doClip: invalid context Tue Apr 29 10:48:08 noname Python[40440] Error: CGContextSaveGState: invalid context Tue Apr 29 10:48:08 noname Python[40440] Error: CGContextSetBlendMode: invalid context Tue Apr 29 10:48:08 noname Python[40440] Error: CGContextSetShouldAntialias: invalid context Traceback (most recent call last): File /Library/Python/2.5/site-packages/PythonCard/model.py, line 884, in _dispatch handler(background, aWxEvent) File /Library/Python/2.5/site-packages/PythonCard/tools/ layoutEditor/layoutEditor.py, line 560, in on_size self.createDC() File /Library/Python/2.5/site-packages/PythonCard/tools/ layoutEditor/layoutEditor.py, line 556, in createDC dc.SetLogicalFunction(wx.INVERT) File /BinaryCache/wxWidgets/wxWidgets-11~57/Root/System/Library/ Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/Extras/lib/python/wx-2.8-mac- unicode/wx/_gdi.py, line 4079, in SetLogicalFunction wx._core.PyAssertionError: C++ assertion status == noErr failed at ../src/mac/carbon/graphics.cpp(1324) in EnsureIsValid(): Cannot nest wxDCs on the same window Thanks for any pointers, Christian Christian, It appears you're missing a file. Where did you placed my program? I see that there are two places being mentioned: no resource file for /Users/bibliograph/Programme/PythonCard/tools/ layoutEditor/multipropertyEditor and File /Library/Python/2.5/site-packages/PythonCard/tools/ layoutEditor/layoutEditor.py, line 556, in createDC -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: So you think PythonCard is old? Here's new wine in an old bottle.
Christian, It appears you're missing a file. Where did you placed my program? I see that there are two places being mentioned: no resource file for /Users/bibliograph/Programme/PythonCard/tools/ layoutEditor/multipropertyEditor and File /Library/Python/2.5/site-packages/PythonCard/tools/ layoutEditor/layoutEditor.py, line 556, in createDC I unzipped the folder you uploaded and placed it in the PythonCard/ tools folder. I get the same error if I try to start the default resourceEditor.py or layoutEditor.py scripts, so it does not seem to have to do with your modifications. When I copy multipropertyEditor.rsrc.py files from PythodCard/tools/ resourceEditor/modules folder to PythodCard/tools/resourceEditor/, it will throw the error about a different file - might this be some kind of PATH error? C. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: So you think PythonCard is old? Here's new wine in an old bottle.
On Apr 29, 8:28 am, Panyasan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Christian, It appears you're missing a file. Where did you placed my program? I see that there are two places being mentioned: no resource file for /Users/bibliograph/Programme/PythonCard/tools/ layoutEditor/multipropertyEditor and File /Library/Python/2.5/site-packages/PythonCard/tools/ layoutEditor/layoutEditor.py, line 556, in createDC I unzipped the folder you uploaded and placed it in the PythonCard/ tools folder. I get the same error if I try to start the default resourceEditor.py or layoutEditor.py scripts, so it does not seem to have to do with your modifications. When I copy multipropertyEditor.rsrc.py files from PythodCard/tools/ resourceEditor/modules folder to PythodCard/tools/resourceEditor/, it will throw the error about a different file - might this be some kind of PATH error? C. It certainly looks like it's not finding a file. Not knowing Mac or Linux, I don't know how files are searched. There are a whole bunch of test programs that comes with Pythoncard. Do they work? (Not all of them will work - some requires a database) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: So you think PythonCard is old? Here's new wine in an old bottle.
On 29 Apr., 18:17, John Henry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are a whole bunch of test programs that comes with Pythoncard. Do they work? (Not all of them will work - some requires a database) Yes, the examples work. Just the resourceEditor.py and the layoutEditor.py in the distributed version and your modified layoutEditor.py don't. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: So you think PythonCard is old? Here's new wine in an old bottle.
On 29 Apr., 20:30, Panyasan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 29 Apr., 18:17, John Henry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are a whole bunch of test programs that comes with Pythoncard. Do they work? (Not all of them will work - some requires a database) Yes, the examples work. Just the resourceEditor.py and the layoutEditor.py in the distributed version and your modified layoutEditor.py don't. Ok, here is how it works for me: copy all the *.rsrc.py from the modules subdirectory to the parent directory. This works for the standard resourceEditor folder and your custom layoutEditor folder. What the heck. Now I can deal with more productive things... -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: So you think PythonCard is old? Here's new wine in an old bottle.
On Apr 29, 1:16 pm, Panyasan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 29 Apr., 20:30, Panyasan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 29 Apr., 18:17, John Henry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are a whole bunch of test programs that comes with Pythoncard. Do they work? (Not all of them will work - some requires a database) Yes, the examples work. Just the resourceEditor.py and the layoutEditor.py in the distributed version and your modified layoutEditor.py don't. Ok, here is how it works for me: copy all the *.rsrc.py from the modules subdirectory to the parent directory. This works for the standard resourceEditor folder and your custom layoutEditor folder. What the heck. Now I can deal with more productive things... Mm...this is a Mac thing. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: So you think PythonCard is old? Here's new wine in an old bottle.
John Henry [EMAIL PROTECTED] said : The performance of Qooxdoo is quite amazing - for a Javascript based web application. Don't know about cell-phones though. You can try their showcase web site I cited earlier. Just for the record, Nokia Internet tablets (770, N800, N810) are the only things made by Nokia that are not cell-phones... They're ARM machines with a 800x480 4 screen, Wifi, Bluetooth, and Linux. And Python, pyGTK and Pygame. Probably pyQt next as they just bought Trolltech. But no wxPython. I was not speaking of running just the client part in the device's browser, either - but the full Monty (haha) with the web server and the application engine, python, middleware and all. I'm doing it right now using a full- blown framework (web2py), so it's not unreasonable. There's no Ajax in there though, so I'm wondering what kind of impact those tools you mention would have, server side. Yes, who would have throught we don't have to give up on Pythoncard? Proof of superior vision, architecture and design, all that time ago... -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: So you think PythonCard is old? Here's new wine in an old bottle.
On Apr 27, 12:23 pm, Fred Pacquier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do keep us posted ! TIA, fp Check it out now. Only one to be added is the Multicolumn List (table), and then menus. The other widgets (Togglebutton, BitmapCanvas, Gauge, Notebook, CodeEditor) will not be implemented initially. http://test.powersystemadvisors.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Apr 28, 12:41 pm, John Henry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 27, 12:23 pm, Fred Pacquier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do keep us posted ! TIA, fp Check it out now. Only one to be added is the Multicolumn List (table), and then menus. The other widgets (Togglebutton, BitmapCanvas, Gauge, Notebook, CodeEditor) will not be implemented initially. http://test.powersystemadvisors.com table and menus all work -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: So you think PythonCard is old? Here's new wine in an old bottle.
On Apr 26, 11:04 pm, John Henry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 26, 3:03 pm, John Henry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 26, 8:46 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Aahz) wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], John Henry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But then I looked closer. It turns out the XML file created by QxTransformer is *very* similar in structure when compared to the resource files used inPythonCard. Since there are no GUI builders for QxTransformer, and I can't affort to buy the one for Qooxdoo (Java! Yuk!), I decided to roll up my sleeves, took thePythoncard's Layout Manager and modified it and created my own Poor Man's Qooxdoo GUI Layout Designer. Cute! When you have working code, please do upload to PyPI. -- Aahz ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) * http://www.pythoncraft.com/ Why is this newsgroup different from all other newsgroups? So far, I have the following widgets working: window, button, checkbox, static text, static box, list, combobox, spinner, radio button group Shouldn't be long before the following works: static line, image, image button, choice.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - All of the above works! TextFields next.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Actually, I was asking what operations you chose to support in 'static text'. Additional Python methods of strings could be made to work on them. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: So you think PythonCard is old? Here's new wine in an old bottle.
John, This is very interesting! Please do make this available. I love PythonCard, but I am doing mainly web programming these days. I will mention this on my next podcast. Can you do a slider? Ron Stephens Python411 www.awaretek.com/python/index.html -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: So you think PythonCard is old? Here's new wine in an old bottle.
John Henry [EMAIL PROTECTED] said : Welcome to the modernized world of Pythoncard!!! Hey, that's really neat ! I remember dabbling in Pythoncard in the early days, some years ago, it was a very interesting project. I gave it up eventually, partly because it seemed somewhat abandoned (I see it's still stuck in 2006 ?), but mostly because the wxPython dependency was either unavailable or too hefty for the sort of machines I was interested in using it on (a Sharp Zaurus then, now Nokia Internet tablets). Since then I've been doing web apps instead, hosted and used on the devices themselves. So using Pythoncard as a designer for web apps, of course that rings a bell... Do you have any idea of the computing requirements of Qooxdoo and QxTransformer, compared to a native Pythoncard app ? I wonder if your stuff would run acceptably on today's mobile platforms (the Nokias have a Firefox derivative that is reasonably competent at javascript), and would give it a try if it's not too arcane. Do keep us posted ! TIA, fp -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: So you think PythonCard is old? Here's new wine in an old bottle.
On Apr 27, 11:36 am, Ron Stephens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John, This is very interesting! Please do make this available. I love PythonCard, but I am doing mainly web programming these days. I will mention this on my next podcast. Can you do a slider? Ron Stephens Python411www.awaretek.com/python/index.html Not sure if Qooxdoo supports slider yet. I have to ask. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: So you think PythonCard is old? Here's new wine in an old bottle.
On Apr 27, 12:23 pm, Fred Pacquier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Henry [EMAIL PROTECTED] said : Welcome to the modernized world of Pythoncard!!! Hey, that's really neat ! I remember dabbling in Pythoncard in the early days, some years ago, it was a very interesting project. I gave it up eventually, partly because it seemed somewhat abandoned (I see it's still stuck in 2006 ?), but mostly because the wxPython dependency was either unavailable or too hefty for the sort of machines I was interested in using it on (a Sharp Zaurus then, now Nokia Internet tablets). Since then I've been doing web apps instead, hosted and used on the devices themselves. So using Pythoncard as a designer for web apps, of course that rings a bell... Do you have any idea of the computing requirements of Qooxdoo and QxTransformer, compared to a native Pythoncard app ? I wonder if your stuff would run acceptably on today's mobile platforms (the Nokias have a Firefox derivative that is reasonably competent at javascript), and would give it a try if it's not too arcane. Do keep us posted ! TIA, fp The performance of Qooxdoo is quite amazing - for a Javascript based web application. Don't know about cell-phones though. You can try their showcase web site I cited earlier. Yes, who would have throught we don't have to give up on Pythoncard? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
So you think PythonCard is old? Here's new wine in an old bottle.
For serveral years, I have been looking for a way to migrate away from desktop GUI/client-server programming onto the browser based network computing model of programming. Unfortunately, up until recently, browser based programs are very limited - due to the limitation of HTML itself. Eventhough PythonCard hasn't keep up with the latest widgets in wxpython, the programs so created still works a lot better - until now. If you look at programs at some of the major sites these days - like Google calendar, Netflix, blockbuster, and so forth - you would undoubtedly notice that the quality of the programs are pretty much at par with the desktop programs we use everyday. Since the curious mind wanted to know how these programs are done, I started investigating and found out that what a difference a few years have made to Javascript - the once much hated beast of the Internet age - and during my search for perfection, I found Qooxdoo (http:// qooxdoo.org/). Qooxdoo is a Javascript toolkit that sits on top of Ajax. Take a look at some of the *impressive* widgets at http://demo.qooxdoo.org/current/showcase/#Form. So, what's that got to do with Pythoncard? Read on. After trying for a few days learning Qooxdoo, my head really really hurts. Getting too old to learn this stuff, I was mumbling. Then I looked some more. I found QxTransformer (http:// sites.google.com/a/qxtransformer.org/qxtransformer/Home) which is a XSLT toolkit that creats XML code that invoke qooxdoo. So, what's that got to do with Pythoncard? Read on. After trying for a few days learning QxTransformer, my head really really hurts. Getting too old to learn this stuff, I was mumbling. I want Pythoncard. Damn Pythoncard! Once you got hooked, everything else looks impossibly complicated and unproductive. But then I looked closer. It turns out the XML file created by QxTransformer is *very* similar in structure when compared to the resource files used in PythonCard. Since there are no GUI builders for QxTransformer, and I can't affort to buy the one for Qooxdoo (Java! Yuk!), I decided to roll up my sleeves, took the Pythoncard's Layout Manager and modified it and created my own Poor Man's Qooxdoo GUI Layout Designer. The result? See the partially completed application at: http://test.powersystemadvisors.com/ and the same application running from the desktop: http://test.powersystemadvisors.com/desktopHelloWorld.jpg It shouldn't be long before I can fill in the gaps and have the GUI builder maps the rest of the Pythoncard widgets to Qooxdoo widgets. Once I've done that, I can have the same application running from the desktop, or from the browser. And it shouldn't take more than minutes to create such applications. Welcome to the modernized world of Pythoncard!!! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: So you think PythonCard is old? Here's new wine in an old bottle.
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], John Henry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But then I looked closer. It turns out the XML file created by QxTransformer is *very* similar in structure when compared to the resource files used in PythonCard. Since there are no GUI builders for QxTransformer, and I can't affort to buy the one for Qooxdoo (Java! Yuk!), I decided to roll up my sleeves, took the Pythoncard's Layout Manager and modified it and created my own Poor Man's Qooxdoo GUI Layout Designer. Cute! When you have working code, please do upload to PyPI. -- Aahz ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) * http://www.pythoncraft.com/ Why is this newsgroup different from all other newsgroups? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: So you think PythonCard is old? Here's new wine in an old bottle.
On Apr 26, 8:46 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Aahz) wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], John Henry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But then I looked closer. It turns out the XML file created by QxTransformer is *very* similar in structure when compared to the resource files used inPythonCard. Since there are no GUI builders for QxTransformer, and I can't affort to buy the one for Qooxdoo (Java! Yuk!), I decided to roll up my sleeves, took thePythoncard's Layout Manager and modified it and created my own Poor Man's Qooxdoo GUI Layout Designer. Cute! When you have working code, please do upload to PyPI. -- Aahz ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) *http://www.pythoncraft.com/ Why is this newsgroup different from all other newsgroups? So far, I have the following widgets working: window, button, checkbox, static text, static box, list, combobox, spinner, radio button group Shouldn't be long before the following works: static line, image, image button, choice. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: So you think PythonCard is old? Here's new wine in an old bottle.
On Apr 26, 5:03 pm, John Henry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 26, 8:46 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Aahz) wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], John Henry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But then I looked closer. It turns out the XML file created by QxTransformer is *very* similar in structure when compared to the resource files used inPythonCard. Since there are no GUI builders for QxTransformer, and I can't affort to buy the one for Qooxdoo (Java! Yuk!), I decided to roll up my sleeves, took thePythoncard's Layout Manager and modified it and created my own Poor Man's Qooxdoo GUI Layout Designer. Cute! When you have working code, please do upload to PyPI. -- Aahz ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) * http://www.pythoncraft.com/ Why is this newsgroup different from all other newsgroups? So far, I have the following widgets working: window, button, checkbox, static text, static box, list, combobox, spinner, radio button group Shouldn't be long before the following works: static line, image, image button, choice.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Should static text GUI class support the operations of a string? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: So you think PythonCard is old? Here's new wine in an old bottle.
On Apr 26, 4:05 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 26, 5:03 pm, John Henry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 26, 8:46 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Aahz) wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], John Henry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But then I looked closer. It turns out the XML file created by QxTransformer is *very* similar in structure when compared to the resource files used inPythonCard. Since there are no GUI builders for QxTransformer, and I can't affort to buy the one for Qooxdoo (Java! Yuk!), I decided to roll up my sleeves, took thePythoncard's Layout Manager and modified it and created my own Poor Man's Qooxdoo GUI Layout Designer. Cute! When you have working code, please do upload to PyPI. -- Aahz ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) *http://www.pythoncraft.com/ Why is this newsgroup different from all other newsgroups? So far, I have the following widgets working: window, button, checkbox, static text, static box, list, combobox, spinner, radio button group Shouldn't be long before the following works: static line, image, image button, choice.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Should static text GUI class support the operations of a string? Say what? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: So you think PythonCard is old? Here's new wine in an old bottle.
On Apr 26, 3:03 pm, John Henry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 26, 8:46 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Aahz) wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], John Henry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But then I looked closer. It turns out the XML file created by QxTransformer is *very* similar in structure when compared to the resource files used inPythonCard. Since there are no GUI builders for QxTransformer, and I can't affort to buy the one for Qooxdoo (Java! Yuk!), I decided to roll up my sleeves, took thePythoncard's Layout Manager and modified it and created my own Poor Man's Qooxdoo GUI Layout Designer. Cute! When you have working code, please do upload to PyPI. -- Aahz ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) * http://www.pythoncraft.com/ Why is this newsgroup different from all other newsgroups? So far, I have the following widgets working: window, button, checkbox, static text, static box, list, combobox, spinner, radio button group Shouldn't be long before the following works: static line, image, image button, choice.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - All of the above works! TextFields next. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
