Re: Starting Out and Need Help with Basics.

[Chris Angelico]

On Sun, Jul 3, 2016 at 7:13 AM, CHM Lyrics  wrote:
> I am in fifth year at secondary school (senior years in high school). We've 
> been doing basic programs in Python at school, but we're now on a 6 week 
> holiday (Summer Holidays). So I decided I would try and download Python and 
> learn a bit more while I'm not doing anything. I have now downloaded it, 
> however, I have immediately noticed something.
>
> For example, what I know is, is that if you were to type:
> print "Welcome to Python!"
> And nothing else, it would ask you to save the program, which I'd do, but 
> then it just says there's an invalid syntax. I've tried adding a colon after 
> 'print' and I've tried adding brackets around "Welcome to Python!". But 
> nothing is working, can someone give me a hand please.
>

Did you use the right brackets? It should look like this:

print("Welcome to Python!")

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Starting Out and Need Help with Basics.

[CHM Lyrics]

I am in fifth year at secondary school (senior years in high school). We've 
been doing basic programs in Python at school, but we're now on a 6 week 
holiday (Summer Holidays). So I decided I would try and download Python and 
learn a bit more while I'm not doing anything. I have now downloaded it, 
however, I have immediately noticed something.

For example, what I know is, is that if you were to type:
print "Welcome to Python!"
And nothing else, it would ask you to save the program, which I'd do, but then 
it just says there's an invalid syntax. I've tried adding a colon after 'print' 
and I've tried adding brackets around "Welcome to Python!". But nothing is 
working, can someone give me a hand please.
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Re: Need Help Starting Out

[Bruno Desthuilliers]

jmDesktop a écrit :
 Hi, I would like to start using Python, but am unsure where to begin.
 I know how to look up a tutorial and learn the language, but not what
 all technologies to use.  I saw references to plain Python, Django,
 and other things.
 
 I want to use it for web building with database access.  What do I use
 for that?  Does it matter what I use on the client side (mootools, or
 whatever)?

Your best bets are probably Django, Pylons or web.py. But you should 
learn enough of the core language itself before jumping in web stuff IMHO.
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Re: Need Help Starting Out

[rodmc]

 Your best bets are probably Django, Pylons or web.py. But you should
 learn enough of the core language itself before jumping in web stuff IMHO.

Yes, a good point.

If you are looking for general info then then Dive Into Python (a
link is on the Python website) is a good start for people who are
familiar with other programming languages. Otherwise I also found
Python in a Nutshell useful.

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Re: Need Help Starting Out

[Peter Decker]

On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 11:10 AM, jmDesktop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi, I would like to start using Python, but am unsure where to begin.
  I know how to look up a tutorial and learn the language, but not what
  all technologies to use.  I saw references to plain Python, Django,
  and other things.

  I want to use it for web building with database access.  What do I use
  for that?  Does it matter what I use on the client side (mootools, or
  whatever)?

If you are going to be developing web applications, there are many
excellent frameworks available, all of which provide database support.
If you are looking to develop desktop applications, you should check
out Dabo (http://dabodev.com). They integrate data access and GUI
controls, making it simple to create database apps. They use wxPython
for the UI layer, but hide all of its ugliness, allowing you to
program to a clean, consistent API for your GUI.


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Need Help Starting Out

[jmDesktop]

Hi, I would like to start using Python, but am unsure where to begin.
I know how to look up a tutorial and learn the language, but not what
all technologies to use.  I saw references to plain Python, Django,
and other things.

I want to use it for web building with database access.  What do I use
for that?  Does it matter what I use on the client side (mootools, or
whatever)?

My rational for using Python is because I am hoping it will allow me
to better understand other python programs in other areas, not just
web.  I have used other languages for web apps for several years.
Truth is that I always wanted to learn Python and have heard it was a
good thing to know.

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Re: Need Help Starting Out

[rodmc]

 Hi, I would like to start using Python, but am unsure where to begin.
 I know how to look up a tutorial and learn the language, but not what
 all technologies to use.  I saw references to plain Python, Django,
 and other things.

Hi,

For database stuff you can plug directly into either MySQL or SQLite.
For MySQL you need to install a third party library which you can get
from:

http://sourceforge.net/projects/mysql-python

I think SQLite support is now included in Python 2.5, all you need to
do is type import sqlite3, and away it goes. You will of course need
to install SQLite, just search for it online. I found SQlite more than
sufficient for any single user non-web based apps. On the client side
you can use these library and if you like build a free standing app to
run everything.

For GUI toolkits you can do worse than download and install wxPython,
which again is free (www.wxpython.org). If you want to dabble in games
programming there is also PyGame.

If you want to build free standing applications you can use Py2Exe
(Windows) and Py2App (Mac), just Google them and they will appear. You
may at times find Python a little slow, and you can even get round
that problem in Windows and Intel based Macs by using Psyco (again
just Google). It can speed up your code by quite a large margin.

Hope these help you get started...

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Re: Need Help Starting Out

[D'Arcy J.M. Cain]

On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 09:27:46 -0700 (PDT)
rodmc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Hi, I would like to start using Python, but am unsure where to begin.
  I know how to look up a tutorial and learn the language, but not what
  all technologies to use.  I saw references to plain Python, Django,
  and other things.
 
 Hi,
 
 For database stuff you can plug directly into either MySQL or SQLite.

Or PostgreSQL.

 For MySQL you need to install a third party library which you can get
 from:
 
 http://sourceforge.net/projects/mysql-python

And there are many interfaces for PostgreSQL including PyGreSQL which
I maintain at http://PyGreSQL.org/

 Hope these help you get started...

And don't forget the tutorial on the Python web site.

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Re: Need Help Starting Out

[Michael Mabin]

Pylons is a Ruby on Rails-like web framework that allows you build dynamic
web applications with a database backend.  Here is a link to the Pylons web
site:

http://pylonshq.com/



On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 11:10 AM, jmDesktop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi, I would like to start using Python, but am unsure where to begin.
 I know how to look up a tutorial and learn the language, but not what
 all technologies to use.  I saw references to plain Python, Django,
 and other things.

 I want to use it for web building with database access.  What do I use
 for that?  Does it matter what I use on the client side (mootools, or
 whatever)?

 My rational for using Python is because I am hoping it will allow me
 to better understand other python programs in other areas, not just
 web.  I have used other languages for web apps for several years.
 Truth is that I always wanted to learn Python and have heard it was a
 good thing to know.

 Thank you.
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Re: Need Help Starting Out

[7stud]

On Mar 18, 10:10 am, jmDesktop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi, I would like to start using Python, but am unsure where to begin.
 I know how to look up a tutorial and learn the language, but not what
 all technologies to use.  

I think you are getting ahead of yourself.  Get the book Learning
Python(3rd edition), which just came out, and start at the beginning.
I think the proper order is to learn the basics first, then learn an
application of the language that you are interested in, i.e. web
programming.
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Re: Starting out.

[Hendrik van Rooyen]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

8

 Well, I'm on vacation this week, so 5 pm means nothing to me:

 teetertotter

 from the Consolidated Word List from puzzlers.org.

 Yes, it's also spelled with a hyphen or a space, but as long as this
 is a valid spelling, it counts.

 I would recommend NOT looking this up, just take my word for it.
 You may be offended at what you find.

did not need to look it up - I know that teetertotter is a complicated word for
see-saw.

- Hendrik


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Re: Starting out.

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Hendrik van Rooyen wrote:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 8

  Well, I'm on vacation this week, so 5 pm means nothing to me:
 
  teetertotter
 
  from the Consolidated Word List from puzzlers.org.
 
  Yes, it's also spelled with a hyphen or a space, but as long as this
  is a valid spelling, it counts.
 
  I would recommend NOT looking this up, just take my word for it.
  You may be offended at what you find.

 did not need to look it up - I know that teetertotter is a complicated word 
 for
 see-saw.

Uh...that means something else (according to the Urban Dictionary).

 
 - Hendrik

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Re: Starting out.

[Fredrik Lundh]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 (according to the Urban Dictionary).

talk about reliable sources...

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Re: Starting out.

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Fredrik Lundh wrote:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  (according to the Urban Dictionary).

 talk about reliable sources...

Well, as far as doing the research to prove them wrong,
I'll give it a miss.

 
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Re: Starting out.

[Bill Pursell]

Grant Edwards wrote:

 Perl has syntax?


ROTFLMAO.  In fact, that even motivated:

Psychotically Engineered Random Language.

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Re: Starting out.

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Richard Jones wrote:
 Tim Chase wrote:
  typed with just the top-row of keys
  '^[qwertyuiop]*$'

 The longest being typewriter :)

Maybe you should say amongst the longest

pepperwort
perpetuity
perruquier
pirouetter
proprietor
repertoire
typewriter

But even that would be wrong.

rupturewort

 
 
 
 hey, look, it's Friday

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Re: Starting out.

[Ahmer]

Thanks Paddy. That post pretty much cleared up everything for me.

On Oct 13, 12:46 am, Paddy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Ahmer wrote:
  Hi all!

  I am a 15 year old High School Sophomore. I would like to start
  programming in Python. In school, we are learning Java (5) and I like
  to use the Eclipse IDE, I also am learning PHP as well.

  What are some ways to get started (books, sites, etc.)? I am usually on
  linux, but I have a windows box and am planning on getting a mac.Pydev 
  gives you a Python mode for Eclipse:
  http://pydev.sourceforge.net/
 The Python tutorial is a good way to learn Python:
  http://docs.python.org/tut/
 Some pointers on writing Python for Java programmers:
  http://www.ferg.org/projects/python_java_side-by-side.html
 I guess you are new to both Java and Python, but if you know Java and
 were starting Python, the following points out that certain idioms of
 Java do not translate well to Python:
  http://dirtsimple.org/2004/12/python-is-not-java.html

 And finally: Lets 'big-up' Python:
  http://www.paulgraham.com/pypar.html

 I hope you enjoy Python.
 All the best,  Paddy.

 P.S. maybe your High school might be interested in teaching Python as a
 first language rather than Java?
  http://www.oreilly.com/pub/a/oreilly/frank/elkner_0300.html

 http://www.python.org/workshops/2000-01/proceedings/papers/elkner/pyY...

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Re: Starting out.

[Ahmer]

From what I can see Python and PHP have VERY simillar syntax (sorry if
I offended anyone but I am a n00b.)

On Oct 13, 12:54 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Ahmer wrote:
  Hi all!

  I am a 15 year old High School Sophomore. I would like to start
  programming in Python. In school, we are learning Java (5) and I like
  to use the Eclipse IDE, I also am learning PHP as well.

  What are some ways to get started (books, sites, etc.)? I am usually on
  linux, but I have a windows box and am planning on getting a mac.Generally 
  good choices. I don't prefer PHP, however. For somebody who
 is learning programming, it encourages sloppy programming.

 I would suggest that you use PyDev (http://pydev.sourceforge.net/), a
 Python plugin for Eclipse, for Python programming. It is a helpful
 environment, especially for somebody already using Eclipse.

 For resources, I suggest you take a look 
 athttp://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide/NonProgrammerswhich is for
 non-programmers. If you feel like checking other resources, more are
 linked tohttp://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide.
 
 Best luck,
 
 k

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Re: Starting out.

[Andrew Poelstra]

On Fri, 2006-10-13 at 07:26 -0700, Ahmer wrote:
 From what I can see Python and PHP have VERY simillar syntax (sorry if
 I offended anyone but I am a n00b.)

Two things:
1) Don't toppost. Your response should go after or interspersed with
your quote, not above it.
2) You may be thinking of Perl, which has a very similar syntax to PHP.
In all the languages I've seen, Python is in a class of its own.

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Re: Starting out.

[Grant Edwards]

On 2006-10-13, Andrew Poelstra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Fri, 2006-10-13 at 07:26 -0700, Ahmer wrote:
 From what I can see Python and PHP have VERY simillar syntax (sorry if
 I offended anyone but I am a n00b.)

 2) You may be thinking of Perl, which has a very similar syntax to PHP.

Perl has syntax?

 In all the languages I've seen, Python is in a class of its own.

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Re: Starting out.

[Tim Chase]

 Maybe you should say amongst the longest
 
 pepperwort
 perpetuity
 perruquier
 pirouetter
 proprietor
 repertoire
 typewriter
 
 But even that would be wrong.
 
 rupturewort
 
 hey, look, it's Friday

proprietory
proterotype
rupturewort

according to my web2 list of words.

Hey, look, it's Friday, after 5:00pm! :)

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Re: Starting out.

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Tim Chase wrote:
  Maybe you should say amongst the longest
 
  pepperwort
  perpetuity
  perruquier
  pirouetter
  proprietor
  repertoire
  typewriter
 
  But even that would be wrong.
 
  rupturewort
 
  hey, look, it's Friday

 proprietory
 proterotype
 rupturewort

 according to my web2 list of words.

 Hey, look, it's Friday, after 5:00pm! :)

Well, I'm on vacation this week, so 5 pm means nothing to me:

teetertotter

from the Consolidated Word List from puzzlers.org.

Yes, it's also spelled with a hyphen or a space, but as long as this
is a valid spelling, it counts.

I would recommend NOT looking this up, just take my word for it.
You may be offended at what you find.

 
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Starting out.

[Ahmer]

Hi all!

I am a 15 year old High School Sophomore. I would like to start
programming in Python. In school, we are learning Java (5) and I like
to use the Eclipse IDE, I also am learning PHP as well.

What are some ways to get started (books, sites, etc.)? I am usually on
linux, but I have a windows box and am planning on getting a mac.

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Re: Starting out.

[Andrew Poelstra]

On Thu, 2006-10-12 at 16:37 -0700, Ahmer wrote:
 Hi all!
 
 I am a 15 year old High School Sophomore. I would like to start
 programming in Python. In school, we are learning Java (5) and I like
 to use the Eclipse IDE, I also am learning PHP as well.
 
 What are some ways to get started (books, sites, etc.)? I am usually on
 linux, but I have a windows box and am planning on getting a mac.
 

Start by learning two hours' worth of Java. Then you can blow off the
rest of the course, if your school's anything like mine.

I learned Python from A Byte of Python. It was okay, although not very
refined last I checked. From there you just need to work on some random
projects, and you'll become more proficient.

(OT: Try to type 'proficient' with one hand on a US keyboard. :-))

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Re: Starting out.

[Richard Jones]

Andrew Poelstra wrote:
 (OT: Try to type 'proficient' with one hand on a US keyboard. :-))

On the Internet, nobody wants to know when you're typing one-handed.


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Re: Starting out.

[hg]

Ahmer wrote:
 Hi all!
 
 I am a 15 year old High School Sophomore. I would like to start
 programming in Python. In school, we are learning Java (5) and I like
 to use the Eclipse IDE, I also am learning PHP as well.
 
 What are some ways to get started (books, sites, etc.)? I am usually on
 linux, but I have a windows box and am planning on getting a mac.
 
Eclipse does take time to get used to ... not sure you want to put this
between you and your learning Python ... you might want to assess a two
step process.

This is a very good introduction to python
(http://www.diveintopython.org/) ... and then there are a billion of
good books.

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Re: Starting out.

[Tim Chase]

 (OT: Try to type 'proficient' with one hand on a US keyboard. :-))

A number of nice words like that:

authenticity
proficiency
entitlement
enchantment
protozoans
proficient
antisocial
tutorials
tormentor
shanghais
shamrocks
rhapsodic
protozoan
pantheism
handiwork
flamencos
fishbowls
firmament
endowment
dyspeptic
dyspepsia
downturns
downright
divisible
disorient
dismantle
dirigible
cockfight
authentic


Try it yourself:

  import re
  r = 
re.compile('^[yuiophjklnm]?([asdfgqwertzxcvb][yuiophjklnm])*[asdfgqwertzxcvb]?$')
  for line in file('/usr/share/dict/words'):
... line = line.strip()
... if r.match(line): print line
...

which finds words that (on a QWERTY keyboard) are touch-typed 
with alternating left/right hands.

In a fit of late-night boredom, I played with regexps that will 
find words of the following classes of words (on a QWERTY keyboard):
typed with just the left-hand
'^[qwertasdfgzxcvb]*$'
typed with just the right-hand
'^[yuiophjklnm]*$'
typed with just the top-row of keys
'^[qwertyuiop]*$'
typed with just the home-row of keys
'^[asdfghjkl]*$'
typed with just the home-row keys
'^[asdfjkl]*$'


Beware...they're fun :)

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Re: Starting out.

[Richard Jones]

Tim Chase wrote:
 typed with just the top-row of keys
 '^[qwertyuiop]*$'

The longest being typewriter :)



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Re: Starting out.

[Paddy]

Ahmer wrote:
 Hi all!

 I am a 15 year old High School Sophomore. I would like to start
 programming in Python. In school, we are learning Java (5) and I like
 to use the Eclipse IDE, I also am learning PHP as well.

 What are some ways to get started (books, sites, etc.)? I am usually on
 linux, but I have a windows box and am planning on getting a mac.

Pydev gives you a Python mode for Eclipse:
  http://pydev.sourceforge.net/
The Python tutorial is a good way to learn Python:
  http://docs.python.org/tut/
Some pointers on writing Python for Java programmers:
  http://www.ferg.org/projects/python_java_side-by-side.html
I guess you are new to both Java and Python, but if you know Java and
were starting Python, the following points out that certain idioms of
Java do not translate well to Python:
  http://dirtsimple.org/2004/12/python-is-not-java.html

And finally: Lets 'big-up' Python:
  http://www.paulgraham.com/pypar.html

I hope you enjoy Python.
All the best,  Paddy.


P.S. maybe your High school might be interested in teaching Python as a
first language rather than Java?
  http://www.oreilly.com/pub/a/oreilly/frank/elkner_0300.html

http://www.python.org/workshops/2000-01/proceedings/papers/elkner/pyYHS.html

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Re: Starting out.

[malkarouri]

Ahmer wrote:
 Hi all!

 I am a 15 year old High School Sophomore. I would like to start
 programming in Python. In school, we are learning Java (5) and I like
 to use the Eclipse IDE, I also am learning PHP as well.

 What are some ways to get started (books, sites, etc.)? I am usually on
 linux, but I have a windows box and am planning on getting a mac.

Generally good choices. I don't prefer PHP, however. For somebody who
is learning programming, it encourages sloppy programming.

I would suggest that you use PyDev (http://pydev.sourceforge.net/), a
Python plugin for Eclipse, for Python programming. It is a helpful
environment, especially for somebody already using Eclipse.

For resources, I suggest you take a look at
http://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide/NonProgrammers which is for
non-programmers. If you feel like checking other resources, more are
linked to http://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide .

Best luck,

k

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