Testers please for CodeInvestigator
I have released version 3 of CodeInvestigator. It is a web-application that allows you to visualize the flow of data through your program. It is intended as a way to easily learn about how your program does its thing. Softoxi has done a review of the previous version: http://www.softoxi.com/codeinvestigator.html Version 3.0.0 can be downloaded from sourceforge: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=183942 I would be interested in bugs and things that you think should be included. The 'wouldn't it be nice if ...' features. Thank you! Martien Friedeman -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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martien friedeman wrote: I have written this tool that allows you to look at runtime data and code at the same time. And now I need people to test it. The easiest way to see what I mean is to look at some videos: http://codeinvestigator.googlepages.com/codeinvestigator_videos It requires Apache and Sqlite. It works for me with a Firefox browser on Linux. ODB, the Omniscient Debugger, for Java does the same sort of thing and more. http://www.lambdacs.com/debugger/ODBDescription.html I would love to have one of these for Python. Don. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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That's amazing! We had the same idea. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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martien friedeman wrote: I have written this tool that allows you to look at runtime data and code at the same time. And now I need people to test it. The easiest way to see what I mean is to look at some videos: http://codeinvestigator.googlepages.com/codeinvestigator_videos It requires Apache and Sqlite. It works for me with a Firefox browser on Linux. Great idea ! Especially for newbies, so you've to make sure it's always in the first starters package. As most modern code-editors, already support context sensitive popup's, can't you make a module that can be added to any editor ? a few other suggestions - for large datasets, display only the corner values - for loops, also only display the corner values - to decrease datasize enormuous, limit the functionality to a piece of code selected by the user - get rid of Apache and SQLite, too complicated for newbies keep on the good work, cheers, Stef Mientki -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Feb 13, 1:38 am, martien friedeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have written this tool that allows you to look at runtime data and code at the same time. And now I need people to test it. The easiest way to see what I mean is to look at some videos:http://codeinvestigator.googlepages.com/codeinvestigator_videos It requires Apache and Sqlite. It works for me with a Firefox browser on Linux. I'm absolutely stunned. This is a great idea, especially because we all hate learning other people's code, and this makes the process so much easier. Got some exams coming up this week, but I'll do some testing in the weekend. I'd like to suggest one thing though. When evaluating conditional statements, it would be very useful to see what else meant in terms of the statement itself, for example: if foo == 1: # Instead of showing true this would show foo == 1 elif foo == 2: # This would show foo == 2 else: # Instead of showing false. Here comes the tricky part. This should show the opposite of foo == 1, as well as the following elif statements. So in this case, the tab could show not (foo == 1) | (foo == 2). The reason for why showing the negated else in the header (looking for a better word, this refers to the header shown when you click something) would be helpful is because it helps keep track of what statements are being evaluated, since False gives no information on what statment is being tested and if the code is long, you have to scroll way up to take a look at the if statement, so it will help a lot with complex code. While this is not hard to implement (unless I'm missing something), the implementation has some problems, because conditional statements can become very long, the else statement's tab could show an exceptionally long statement whereas showing just False keeps it at a fair length. I might be missing something in this suggestion though - if so, please set me straight. At any rate, I think you've done a great job on this. When I get around to testing it this weekend I'll post the results on the project's SourceForge forums. Regards, Friðrik Már -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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it would be nice when someone would paste some instructions or tutorial how to bound it all together. where to paste the file. a dummy tutorial if possible. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Thanks for getting involved. And kind remarks. The labeling of 'false' and 'true' is just for shortness sake. The condition itself could be quite a mess and span several lines. You mentioned that. The only reason I like to display it, is to show whether a block of coding, the colored bit, is performed or not. Without that you would find out anyway; nothing becomes underlined when you move your mouse in that area: Nothing in that area is interactive. Because nothing happened there. Even when the condition itself shows on the tab, not just the outcome, the user would still need to scroll up to that tab if it was not visible. The user interface is in HTML, maybe a tooltip when one moves the cursor over a colored condition block could show up that shows the condition and its value. I hate them tooltips though. They make the whole interface so jumpy. More work in that area needed then. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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cool product, I'll test depending on schedule at the time. one (more) suggestion (from those of us who arn't doing the work ;) is to put this in eclipse, rather than apache, since many developers work with it. Please no IDE wars, I like emacs too, but when I'm trying to teach to newbies I use elcipse. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of martien friedeman Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 8:38 PM To: python-list@python.org Subject: Testers please I have written this tool that allows you to look at runtime data and code at the same time. And now I need people to test it. The easiest way to see what I mean is to look at some videos: http://codeinvestigator.googlepages.com/codeinvestigator_videos It requires Apache and Sqlite. It works for me with a Firefox browser on Linux. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Thanks Stef! I looked at that area of storing large structures. That would seriously make the whole thing much more complicated. Say you have object 'foo' and it has lots of attributes. If you're only accessing foo.length in the statement 'if foo.length 12:' why should I store everything about foo? Its 'length' is the only attribute accessed, therefore I only store its 'length'. And therefore you can not click on 'foo', only on 'length'. No video shows such an example though. On the other hand if you had the statement 'if foo:' then 'foo' would be able to be clicked, and it would say '__main__.Foo instance ... etc. The usual. No attributes though. The interface is web based; I was going to make it as universal as possible. The web server is required to do the Ajax thing and display pages. Makes it harder to install too, unfortunately. The size of the 'recording' is a major drawback, it was clearly not meant to record the processing of millions of records. I need to find a way to specify the area in the code that needs recording. Thanks for the suggestions. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Martien Friedeman wrote: The size of the 'recording' is a major drawback, it was clearly not meant to record the processing of millions of records. I need to find a way to specify the area in the code that needs recording. Use something like zlib and write a compressed log -- especially with logs you are working with highly compressible data. The gzip module can be used to easily write to it on the fly (incrementally). You'll find with very little effort you'll get very good compression. Recently I saw a set of standard logs, not designed for any compression, showing a factor of 9 compression -- that is, I was seeing less than a single bit required per byte in the original. -- --Scott David Daniels [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Thanks for that for that Scott. Most of hassle is storing the program flow. For example: Iteration 3 of the loop starting on line 12 has itself a loop on line 15 that has 14 iterations. Iteration 4 of the loop starting on line 12 has a completely different set of iterations for the loop on line 15. If at all(!) All that is stored in a tree which I pickle and write to the database. Massive program runs will create large trees. And this pickling is expensive. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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I have written this tool that allows you to look at runtime data and code at the same time. And now I need people to test it. The easiest way to see what I mean is to look at some videos: http://codeinvestigator.googlepages.com/codeinvestigator_videos It requires Apache and Sqlite. It works for me with a Firefox browser on Linux. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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I took a first look on the video. Amazing. I love it. You got a tester good job, man // but one thing, why not zope and postgre? martien friedeman je napisao/la: I have written this tool that allows you to look at runtime data and code at the same time. And now I need people to test it. The easiest way to see what I mean is to look at some videos: http://codeinvestigator.googlepages.com/codeinvestigator_videos It requires Apache and Sqlite. It works for me with a Firefox browser on Linux. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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martien friedeman wrote: I have written this tool that allows you to look at runtime data and code at the same time. And now I need people to test it. The easiest way to see what I mean is to look at some videos: http://codeinvestigator.googlepages.com/codeinvestigator_videos It requires Apache and Sqlite. It works for me with a Firefox browser on Linux. Amazing! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
