Re: Using pythons smtp server
On 14-12-2013 1:46, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote: About then, I discovered the first two significant books on Python at Computer Literacy, and that an Amiga binary was available (Python 1.4, I think -- thanks, Irmin). You're welcome, but my name is spelled Irmen, with an 'e' ;-) Cheers Irmen -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Using pythons smtp server
On 2013-12-13, Vincent Davis vinc...@vincentdavis.net wrote: I have an app that generates a file one a day and would like to email it using pythons SMTP server. You don't send mail using an SMTP server. You receive mail using an SMTP server. http://docs.python.org/2/library/smtpd.html#smtpd.SMTPServer The documentation is kinda sparse and I cant seem to find any good examples. Basically what I want to do; when my app runs it would initiate a SMTP server, send the attachment and shutdown the SMTP after. Newsgroups: comp.lang.python From: Grant Edwards invalid@invalid.invalid Subject: Re: Using pythons smtp server References: mailman.4046.1386908855.18130.python-l...@python.org Followup-To: On 2013-12-13, Vincent Davis vinc...@vincentdavis.net wrote: I have an app that generates a file one a day and would like to email it using pythons SMTP server. You don't send mail using an SMTP server. You receive mail using an SMTP server. You send mail using an SMTP client. http://docs.python.org/2/library/smtpd.html#smtpd.SMTPServer The documentation is kinda sparse and I cant seem to find any good examples. Basically what I want to do; when my app runs it would initiate a SMTP server, send the attachment and shutdown the SMTP after. https://www.google.com/search?q=python+send+email+smtp -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwardsYow! The PINK SOCKS were at ORIGINALLY from 1952!! gmail.comBut they went to MARS around 1953!! -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Using pythons smtp server
You don't send mail using an SMTP server. You receive mail using an
SMTP server.
Um maybe, I guess it is a matter of perspective.
Let me rephrase my question. I want to send an email using python but do
not want to use an external service. Does python have the ability to send
emails without installing additional software or using an external
server/service?
Maybe I am wrong, I thought examples like s = smtplib.SMTP('localhost')
are using a local(outside of python) smtp server, like postfix.
Vincent Davis
720-301-3003
On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 9:40 AM, Grant Edwards invalid@invalid.invalidwrote:
On 2013-12-13, Vincent Davis vinc...@vincentdavis.net wrote:
I have an app that generates a file one a day and would like to email it
using pythons SMTP server.
You don't send mail using an SMTP server. You receive mail using an
SMTP server.
http://docs.python.org/2/library/smtpd.html#smtpd.SMTPServer
The documentation is kinda sparse and I cant seem to find any good
examples.
Basically what I want to do; when my app runs it would initiate a SMTP
server, send the attachment and shutdown the SMTP after.
Newsgroups: comp.lang.python
From: Grant Edwards invalid@invalid.invalid
Subject: Re: Using pythons smtp server
References: mailman.4046.1386908855.18130.python-l...@python.org
Followup-To:
On 2013-12-13, Vincent Davis vinc...@vincentdavis.net wrote:
I have an app that generates a file one a day and would like to email
it using pythons SMTP server.
You don't send mail using an SMTP server. You receive mail using an
SMTP server. You send mail using an SMTP client.
http://docs.python.org/2/library/smtpd.html#smtpd.SMTPServer
The documentation is kinda sparse and I cant seem to find any good
examples.
Basically what I want to do; when my app runs it would initiate a SMTP
server, send the attachment and shutdown the SMTP after.
https://www.google.com/search?q=python+send+email+smtp
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around 1953!!
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Re: Using pythons smtp server
Obviously I don't really know how this works. I have used python to send email using my smtp server (whatever that may be gmail, postfix..) But I don't want to do that. After a little more research I think what I need to do is lookup the MX address of the address I want to send the email too. Then submit the email to that address using smtplib.SMTP Do I have that right? Vincent Davis 720-301-3003 On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 10:24 AM, Dennis Lee Bieber wlfr...@ix.netcom.comwrote: On Thu, 12 Dec 2013 18:01:58 -0700, Vincent Davis vinc...@vincentdavis.net declaimed the following: I have an app that generates a file one a day and would like to email it using pythons SMTP server. http://docs.python.org/2/library/smtpd.html#smtpd.SMTPServer The documentation is kinda sparse and I cant seem to find any good examples. Basically what I want to do; when my app runs it would initiate a SMTP server, send the attachment and shutdown the SMTP after. I suspect you don't want the server per se -- that's more a unit for receiving SMTP mail (sure, you can start it, but then you have to send the email to IT so it can relay it to the next server in the line). Look into the smtplib module (section 20.12 in the v2.7.2 documentation) in order to send email TO a mail server -- Wulfraed Dennis Lee Bieber AF6VN wlfr...@ix.netcom.comHTTP://wlfraed.home.netcom.com/ -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Using pythons smtp server
On 2013-12-13, Vincent Davis vinc...@vincentdavis.net wrote: Obviously I don't really know how this works. I have used python to send email using my smtp server (whatever that may be gmail, postfix..) But I don't want to do that. After a little more research I think what I need to do is lookup the MX address of the address I want to send the email too. Then submit the email to that address using smtplib.SMTP Maybe. In theory, that will work -- and it did in the good old days before SPAM (the electric kind) was invented. But, many SMTP servers (the ones pointed to by the MX record) will not accept mail from you unless you meet various requirements (which vary considerably and the SMTP servers administrators try to keep secret). For example you may have to be sending from an IP address who's reverse-DNS lookup matches up with the from headers and with the MX record for the domain you claim to be sending from. Your mail might also get blocked/discarded if you're sending from what's been identified as a dynamically allocated IP block (even if it does have proper DNS and MX records). -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwardsYow! Look into my eyes and at try to forget that you have gmail.coma Macy's charge card! -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Using pythons smtp server
On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 4:13 AM, Vincent Davis vinc...@vincentdavis.net wrote: Let me rephrase my question. I want to send an email using python but do not want to use an external service. Does python have the ability to send emails without installing additional software or using an external server/service? Any SMTP server you install has to do one of three things with the mail you give it: 1) Accept it locally. Presumably the wrong thing to do here. 2) Deliver it to the authoritative SMTP server for the domain. 3) Deliver it to an intermediate server. (Edit: Your next mail shows that you understand that, as looking up the MX record is what I was going to say here.) So if you want to avoid using an external intermediate server, you need to find and talk to the authoritative server. Now, this is where another big consideration comes in. What envelope From address are you going to use? Is your own IP address allowed to send mail for that domain? If not, you may be forced to use the legitimate server for that domain. There are other concerns, too; if you don't have a nice name to announce in the HELO, you might find your mail treated as spam. But if you deal with all that, then yes, the only thing you need to do is look up the MX record and pick the best server. (And then deal with other concerns like coping with that one being down, which is the advantage of having a local mail queue. But sometimes that doesn't matter, like if you're sending to yourself for notifications.) ChrisA -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Using pythons smtp server
Grant, Chris Thanks !!! I guess in the end this is a bad idea, (for my purposes) I should just use my gmail account smtp server. Vincent Davis 720-301-3003 On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 11:15 AM, Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 4:13 AM, Vincent Davis vinc...@vincentdavis.net wrote: Let me rephrase my question. I want to send an email using python but do not want to use an external service. Does python have the ability to send emails without installing additional software or using an external server/service? Any SMTP server you install has to do one of three things with the mail you give it: 1) Accept it locally. Presumably the wrong thing to do here. 2) Deliver it to the authoritative SMTP server for the domain. 3) Deliver it to an intermediate server. (Edit: Your next mail shows that you understand that, as looking up the MX record is what I was going to say here.) So if you want to avoid using an external intermediate server, you need to find and talk to the authoritative server. Now, this is where another big consideration comes in. What envelope From address are you going to use? Is your own IP address allowed to send mail for that domain? If not, you may be forced to use the legitimate server for that domain. There are other concerns, too; if you don't have a nice name to announce in the HELO, you might find your mail treated as spam. But if you deal with all that, then yes, the only thing you need to do is look up the MX record and pick the best server. (And then deal with other concerns like coping with that one being down, which is the advantage of having a local mail queue. But sometimes that doesn't matter, like if you're sending to yourself for notifications.) ChrisA -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Using pythons smtp server
On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 5:27 AM, Vincent Davis vinc...@vincentdavis.net wrote: Grant, Chris Thanks !!! I guess in the end this is a bad idea, (for my purposes) I should just use my gmail account smtp server. If you're sending from gmail, use whatever gmail specifies for sending. Otherwise your mail will be seen as spoofed. The converse of this is that, in my opinion, *every* domain should have an SPF record and *every* mail server should check them. That would eliminate a huge slab of forged mail, and it'd prevent some stupid web email forms from doing the wrong thing and only finding out that it's wrong years later. ChrisA -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Using pythons smtp server
On 2013-12-13, Vincent Davis vinc...@vincentdavis.net wrote: Grant, Chris Thanks !!! I guess in the end this is a bad idea, (for my purposes) I should just use my gmail account smtp server. If you're going to claim the mail is from somebody@gmail.com, then yes you should definitly send it via Gmail's SMTP server. Doing anything else is going to be a long, losing battle involving you learning more about SMTP and e-mail headers than you probably want to. If you've got your own domain (which you're using as the from address), a static IP, and your own MX record and corresponding SMTP server, you should be able to set things up to send mail directly. Many years ago (like 20), I used to configure my home Linux boxes to send mail directly to the destination SMTP server while claiming to be from grante@my-isp's-name.com. At first it worked fine that way. Then about about 12-15 years ago, I started having problems with some servers refusing my mail. I had a static IP address with a real, official hostname, so I set up an MX record for that hostname, and made sure my handshaking configuration was using a hostname that mapped back to my static IP address. That helped for a while, but SMTP servers continued to get more and more paranoid. Some SMTP servers won't accept mail from an IP if they've determined is a residential IP address even if you do have a domain that matches the from address, an MX record, and everything else. Eventually, I just gave up and started routing everything through the official SMTP server associated with the e-mail address from which I wanted to send the mail. -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwardsYow! I'm having a MID-WEEK at CRISIS! gmail.com -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Using pythons smtp server
I have an app that generates a file one a day and would like to email it using pythons SMTP server. http://docs.python.org/2/library/smtpd.html#smtpd.SMTPServer The documentation is kinda sparse and I cant seem to find any good examples. Basically what I want to do; when my app runs it would initiate a SMTP server, send the attachment and shutdown the SMTP after. Vincent Davis -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
