Re: Vote on PyPI comments
On Nov 15, 9:21 am, Daniel Fetchinson
wrote:
> >> > I am skeptical about the utility of both rating and comments. If
> >> > somebody wants to know
> >> > if a package is good, she should ask here.
>
> >> Because unlike people writing comments, people here are never
> >> incompetent, misinformed, dishonest, confused, trolling or just wrong.
>
> >> But sometimes sarcastic.
>
> > All right, but the newsgroup has interactivity and the presence of
> > true Python experts too.
> > A blind vote given by an anonymous person does not look more
> > informative to me.
>
> You are right about a single vote, but the way these things usually
> work is that out of 1000 votes the non-informative ones average out
> ("wow! awsome package!" vs "this sucks bad!") and the net vote result
> is generally indicative of the actual thing that was voted on
> especially when there is no direct financial incentive to cheat.
>
> Cheers,
> Daniel
>
> --
> Psss, psss, put it down! -http://www.cafepress.com/putitdown
I haven't used the PyPI rating / comments system at all. Can comments
accrue which complain about bugs or missing features of old versions
of the package? If so, they could be misleading for users coming to
view a package before trying it.
Or do comments and ratings only apply to a particular version of a
package, and get removed from the package's 'front page' every time a
new version is released?
Thanks,
Jonathan Hartley
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Re: Vote on PyPI comments
>> > I am skeptical about the utility of both rating and comments. If
>> > somebody wants to know
>> > if a package is good, she should ask here.
>>
>> Because unlike people writing comments, people here are never
>> incompetent, misinformed, dishonest, confused, trolling or just wrong.
>>
>> But sometimes sarcastic.
>>
>
> All right, but the newsgroup has interactivity and the presence of
> true Python experts too.
> A blind vote given by an anonymous person does not look more
> informative to me.
You are right about a single vote, but the way these things usually
work is that out of 1000 votes the non-informative ones average out
("wow! awsome package!" vs "this sucks bad!") and the net vote result
is generally indicative of the actual thing that was voted on
especially when there is no direct financial incentive to cheat.
Cheers,
Daniel
--
Psss, psss, put it down! - http://www.cafepress.com/putitdown
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Re: Vote on PyPI comments
On Nov 15, 5:17 am, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 07:53:05 -0800, Michele Simionato wrote: > > I am skeptical about the utility of both rating and comments. If > > somebody wants to know > > if a package is good, she should ask here. > > Because unlike people writing comments, people here are never > incompetent, misinformed, dishonest, confused, trolling or just wrong. > > But sometimes sarcastic. > > -- > Steven All right, but the newsgroup has interactivity and the presence of true Python experts too. A blind vote given by an anonymous person does not look more informative to me. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Vote on PyPI comments
On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 07:53:05 -0800, Michele Simionato wrote: > I am skeptical about the utility of both rating and comments. If > somebody wants to know > if a package is good, she should ask here. Because unlike people writing comments, people here are never incompetent, misinformed, dishonest, confused, trolling or just wrong. But sometimes sarcastic. -- Steven -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Vote on PyPI comments
Michele Simionato schrieb: On Nov 13, 4:39 pm, Chris Withers wrote: PyPI grew a commenting and rating system a while back, apparently in response to requests from users. However, since it's been rolled out, there's been a backlash from package maintainers who already have mailing lists, bug trackers, etc for their packages and don't want to have to try and keep track of yet another support forum. I am skeptical about the utility of both rating and comments. If somebody wants to know if a package is good, she should ask here. The ratio user to posters certainly speaks against that - for any given package, there are so many users that never appear here - but they stil might share insights about the package. Diez -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Vote on PyPI comments
>> PyPI grew a commenting and rating system a while back, apparently in >> response to requests from users. However, since it's been rolled out, >> there's been a backlash from package maintainers who already have >> mailing lists, bug trackers, etc for their packages and don't want to >> have to try and keep track of yet another support forum. >> > > I am skeptical about the utility of both rating and comments. If > somebody wants to know > if a package is good, she should ask here. Hmm, do you really think subscribing to python-list should be a prerequisite for people who want to have some clue which python software they want to use? Cheers, Daniel -- Psss, psss, put it down! - http://www.cafepress.com/putitdown -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Vote on PyPI comments
On Nov 13, 4:39 pm, Chris Withers wrote: > > PyPI grew a commenting and rating system a while back, apparently in > response to requests from users. However, since it's been rolled out, > there's been a backlash from package maintainers who already have > mailing lists, bug trackers, etc for their packages and don't want to > have to try and keep track of yet another support forum. > I am skeptical about the utility of both rating and comments. If somebody wants to know if a package is good, she should ask here. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Vote on PyPI comments
Hi All, Apologies for the cross post, but I'm not sure this has received the publicity it deserves... PyPI grew a commenting and rating system a while back, apparently in response to requests from users. However, since it's been rolled out, there's been a backlash from package maintainers who already have mailing lists, bug trackers, etc for their packages and don't want to have to try and keep track of yet another support forum. The arguments for and against are listed here: http://wiki.python.org/moin/PyPIComments To resolve the future of the commenting and rating system, a vote has been set up so everyone can have their say. To vote, please log in to: http://pypi.python.org/pypi ...and follow the instructions you'll be presented with. I would like to remain neutral on this, and for me that means giving package authors the ability to choose whether they want to receive comments, ratings or neither rather than either forcing package authors to accept comments and ratings or abandoning the idea of comments and ratings completely. The closest option to that is: "Allow package owners to disallow comments (ratings unmodified)" I hope the majority of you feel the same way... Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Batch Processing & Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
