Re: Which GUI?
On 24-07-2015 19:31, Paulo da Silva wrote: I'll begin with pyqtgraph. Seems to be simple to start with. Thanks Chistopher. Later I'll give a try to bokeh. I'll need to look better at web applications first. I still don't know if dynamically changing is possible without the bokeh server. Thanks Laura. Thank you all who responded. Paulo -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Which GUI?
On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 7:19 PM, Paulo da Silva p_s_d_a_s_i_l_v_a...@netcabo.pt wrote: On 26-07-2015 05:47, blue wrote: Hi . I tested all. Now I think the PySide can more. No python3! Besides ... any differences to pyqt4? Thanks pyside has supported python 3 for a long time now. As for differences, the main difference is the license. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Which GUI?
On 26-07-2015 05:47, blue wrote: Hi . I tested all. Now I think the PySide can more. No python3! Besides ... any differences to pyqt4? Thanks -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Which GUI?
Hi . I tested all. Now I think the PySide can more. https://pyside.readthedocs.org/en/latest/ See also http://free-tutorials.org/pyside-introduction-part-001/ http://python-catalin.blogspot.ro/ -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Which GUI?
On 7/24/15 4:11 PM, Cecil Westerhof wrote: Top-posting is (rightly) frowned upon in this group. Could you use inline posting next time? Meta is definitely NOT discouraged on this list, but it should be. Nothing like derailing an interesting thread with lectures on where to post. And someone will chime in with a diatribe against Google groups...wait for it...wait for it... To address the OP's query, I recommend Tkinter. Plays very nicely with C and C++. --Kevin -- Kevin Walzer Code by Kevin/Mobile Code by Kevin http://www.codebykevin.com http://www.wtmobilesoftware.com -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Which GUI?
On Friday, July 24, 2015 at 4:16:19 PM UTC-7, Mark Lawrence wrote: On 24/07/2015 23:20, Frank Miles wrote: On Fri, 24 Jul 2015 19:31:36 +0100, Paulo da Silva wrote: [snip] Which technology is better? matplotlib? tkinter? wxwidgets? qt? Sadly - I don't think wxpython has been ported to python3 yet. http://wxpython.org/Phoenix/docs/html/main.html -- My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask what you can do for our language. Mark Lawrence Matplotlib apparently still has some issues with wxPhoenix. Not that Matplotlib is a necessity for the OP's application, but it could address some of the speed issues he was concerned about. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Which GUI?
On Friday 24 Jul 2015 20:37 CEST, Christopher Mullins wrote: You might checkout pyqtgraph. I think a ton of the examples will be relevant to your use case. Top-posting is (rightly) frowned upon in this group. Could you use inline posting next time? A3: Please. Q3: Should I avoid top posting on this mailing list? A2: Because, by reversing the order of a conversation, it leaves the reader without much context, and makes them read a message in an unnatural order. Q2: Why is top posting irritating? A1: It is the practice of putting your reply to a message before the quoted message, instead of after the (trimmed) message. Q1: What is top posting? On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 1:31 PM, Paulo da Silva p_s_d_a_s_i_l_v_a...@netcabo.pt wrote: Hi all! I am about to write an application (python3 in linux) that needs: 1. Display time series graphics dynamically changed as the application runs, i.e. the graphics should reflect some internal variables states. 2. The same but for some network like diagrams. Basically nodes and connections (straight lines). Nodes can have different colors depending on their activity levels and also, together with connection lines, may be created and deleted dynamically. 3. Interaction with the user (not sure yet, here). 4. Some modules may need to be moved to C++ in case of lack of enough speed. So, the possibility of the GUI libs be used with C++ may be an advantage. Anyway I can always stay in Python and write a C++ extension. 5. Several multi processor segments. 6. For now single user - possible but unlikely multi-user in the future. Which technology is better? matplotlib? tkinter? wxwidgets? qt? Web: ajax (I don't know much about this - need to learn), using cherrypy or django? Any other? Thanks for any help or comments. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- Cecil Westerhof Senior Software Engineer LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/cecilwesterhof -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Which GUI?
Hi all! I am about to write an application (python3 in linux) that needs: 1. Display time series graphics dynamically changed as the application runs, i.e. the graphics should reflect some internal variables states. 2. The same but for some network like diagrams. Basically nodes and connections (straight lines). Nodes can have different colors depending on their activity levels and also, together with connection lines, may be created and deleted dynamically. 3. Interaction with the user (not sure yet, here). 4. Some modules may need to be moved to C++ in case of lack of enough speed. So, the possibility of the GUI libs be used with C++ may be an advantage. Anyway I can always stay in Python and write a C++ extension. 5. Several multi processor segments. 6. For now single user - possible but unlikely multi-user in the future. Which technology is better? matplotlib? tkinter? wxwidgets? qt? Web: ajax (I don't know much about this - need to learn), using cherrypy or django? Any other? Thanks for any help or comments. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Which GUI?
On 24/07/2015 23:20, Frank Miles wrote: On Fri, 24 Jul 2015 19:31:36 +0100, Paulo da Silva wrote: [snip] Which technology is better? matplotlib? tkinter? wxwidgets? qt? Sadly - I don't think wxpython has been ported to python3 yet. http://wxpython.org/Phoenix/docs/html/main.html -- My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask what you can do for our language. Mark Lawrence -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Which GUI?
You might checkout pyqtgraph. I think a ton of the examples will be relevant to your use case. On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 1:31 PM, Paulo da Silva p_s_d_a_s_i_l_v_a...@netcabo.pt wrote: Hi all! I am about to write an application (python3 in linux) that needs: 1. Display time series graphics dynamically changed as the application runs, i.e. the graphics should reflect some internal variables states. 2. The same but for some network like diagrams. Basically nodes and connections (straight lines). Nodes can have different colors depending on their activity levels and also, together with connection lines, may be created and deleted dynamically. 3. Interaction with the user (not sure yet, here). 4. Some modules may need to be moved to C++ in case of lack of enough speed. So, the possibility of the GUI libs be used with C++ may be an advantage. Anyway I can always stay in Python and write a C++ extension. 5. Several multi processor segments. 6. For now single user - possible but unlikely multi-user in the future. Which technology is better? matplotlib? tkinter? wxwidgets? qt? Web: ajax (I don't know much about this - need to learn), using cherrypy or django? Any other? Thanks for any help or comments. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Which GUI?
You may be interested in bokeh. http://bokeh.pydata.org/en/latest/ It's a python interactive visualisation library. Laura -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Which GUI?
On Fri, 24 Jul 2015 19:31:36 +0100, Paulo da Silva wrote: [snip] Which technology is better? matplotlib? tkinter? wxwidgets? qt? Sadly - I don't think wxpython has been ported to python3 yet. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Which GUI framework to use?
koranthala schrieb: Hi, I am creating a very minimal application (a networking app). I have written the application using Twisted. Now, I need to put a GUI wrapper on the application. The application needs a login screen and also it needs to be minimized to system tray. If I right click the image on system tray, I should be able to close it. It uses some legacy code, so the whole app is written in Python 2.4. Also, my company requires that I use permissive licenses (no GPL - MIT, BSD, LGPL etc ok) Google this group. The discussions are abundant about this. Keep in mind that while Qt changed licenses to LGPL, PyQt didn't and thus you can't use it. Which GUI framework is best for this? I tried using Tkinter, but it does not support minimize to system tray (or I couldnt find it). This is my first foray to GUI programming, so other issues that I am worried about - 1. GUI needs a loop, Twisted needs a loop. How can both go ahead without messing each other? Google is your friend here, too: http://twistedmatrix.com/projects/core/documentation/howto/choosing-reactor.html Diez -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Which GUI framework to use?
On Aug 4, 11:48 am, Diez B. Roggisch de...@nospam.web.de wrote: koranthala schrieb: Hi, I am creating a very minimal application (a networking app). I have written the application using Twisted. Now, I need to put a GUI wrapper on the application. The application needs a login screen and also it needs to be minimized to system tray. If I right click the image on system tray, I should be able to close it. It uses some legacy code, so the whole app is written in Python 2.4. Also, my company requires that I use permissive licenses (no GPL - MIT, BSD, LGPL etc ok) Google this group. The discussions are abundant about this. Keep in mind that while Qt changed licenses to LGPL, PyQt didn't and thus you can't use it. Which GUI framework is best for this? I tried using Tkinter, but it does not support minimize to system tray (or I couldnt find it). This is my first foray to GUI programming, so other issues that I am worried about - 1. GUI needs a loop, Twisted needs a loop. How can both go ahead without messing each other? Google is your friend here, too: http://twistedmatrix.com/projects/core/documentation/howto/choosing-r... Diez Sorry about it. I should have done the homework better. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Which GUI framework to use?
On Tuesday 04 August 2009 06:09:05 koranthala wrote: Hi, I am creating a very minimal application (a networking app). I have written the application using Twisted. Now, I need to put a GUI wrapper on the application. The application needs a login screen and also it needs to be minimized to system tray. If I right click the image on system tray, I should be able to close it. It uses some legacy code, so the whole app is written in Python 2.4. Also, my company requires that I use permissive licenses (no GPL - MIT, BSD, LGPL etc ok) Which GUI framework is best for this? I tried using Tkinter, but it does not support minimize to system tray (or I couldnt find it). look at iconify, and at withdraw - Hendrik -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Which GUI framework to use?
Hi, I am creating a very minimal application (a networking app). I have written the application using Twisted. Now, I need to put a GUI wrapper on the application. The application needs a login screen and also it needs to be minimized to system tray. If I right click the image on system tray, I should be able to close it. It uses some legacy code, so the whole app is written in Python 2.4. Also, my company requires that I use permissive licenses (no GPL - MIT, BSD, LGPL etc ok) Which GUI framework is best for this? I tried using Tkinter, but it does not support minimize to system tray (or I couldnt find it). This is my first foray to GUI programming, so other issues that I am worried about - 1. GUI needs a loop, Twisted needs a loop. How can both go ahead without messing each other? Thank You very much K -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Which GUI toolkit (was: Tkinter or wxpython?)
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Bryan Hepworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . [waaay too much quoted text for my taste] . . I'm not trying to claim that there are no benefits to web applications. But I often see people touting the web as a *superior application platform*, which is simply false, and as innately simpler to develop for, which is also false. I'm also in a similar predicament starting to look at Python for the first time. I'd be curious to know peoples take on other GUI's like pygtk and pyqt for example to get a fuller picture. As a total newbie the list seems daunting so taking advantage of other peoples experiences seems like a good idea. Bryan The traditional answer is, We've already discussed that far too often; go search the comp.lang.python archive on your own, because all the answers are there. I regard that as unhelpful. URL: http://wiki.python.org/moin/ChoosingGuiToolkits *could* be a good answer, but it's not, at least not yet. Perhaps the best immediate help is URL: http://wiki.python.org/moin/GuiProgramming . Even better, maybe: read through these materials, start to integrate your own findings into what the Wiki already makes available, and likely others of us will pitch in. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: which GUI module you suggest me to use?
ZioMiP a écrit : ... I think is like a live browser... not only render HTML because the webpage got a bit of javascript inside... Does the rendering absolutely need to be in your own GUI ? Else you can use the *webbrowser* module and simply call user preffered browser to display data and run javascript. Less integrated, simpler to setup. Laurent. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: which GUI module you suggest me to use?
ok ok , thanks to everybody ^_^ This HTML page that I need to put in my GUI is a little page with JavaScript that run something like banners... not gif or animated gif... but text... text randomly choosen by a database that I can't control... so, I need to put this piece of browser for looking the page and let it do the rest... -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: which GUI module you suggest me to use?
This completely loses me; what do you mean by draw its own icon, and what does that have to do with rendering Web pages? maybe draw its own icons wasn't the best (or the most accurate way) of putting it. what i meant by that is this (from wikipedia): Qt uses its own paint engine and controls. This makes the work of porting to other platforms easier because very few classes in Qt depended on the target platform. Qt used to emulate the native look of its intended platforms, which occasionally led to slight discrepancies where that emulation wasn't perfect. This, however, no longer applies because the latest versions of Qt use the native styles API of the different platforms to draw the Qt controls. what does that have to do with rendering web pages? have no idea. i just wanted to point out the main difference between qt and wx that he should be aware of. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: which GUI module you suggest me to use?
On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 00:22:40 +, Grant Edwards wrote: I know that WxPython work only under Windows and PyGTK work only under Linux... You 'know' wrong. wxPython works fine under Windows, Linux and OSX. wxPython emulates Gtk (though using some native widgets, it also uses some of its own) and in many cases it looks non-native compared to Gtk. If your target platform includes Unix systems, you'll have to decide whether inconsistencies with the look and feel of the desktop are an issue for you. PyGTK works under Linux and Windows, but doens't use native widgets under Windows, so it won't look like a normal windows app. Gtk on Win32 can be themed to looked like Windows, AFAIK the Win32 installer does this by default since a couple of months. -Samuel -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: which GUI module you suggest me to use?
ZioMiP wrote: I know that WxPython work only under Windows WxPython works everywhere for me. I have some screenshots from Windows 98 - Vista, Mac OSX, and Debian GNU/Linux... all running the exact same Python wxPython code: http://filebox.vt.edu/users/rtilley/public/find_ssns/index.html -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: which GUI module you suggest me to use?
On 2007-06-06, Samuel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 00:22:40 +, Grant Edwards wrote: I know that WxPython work only under Windows and PyGTK work only under Linux... You 'know' wrong. wxPython works fine under Windows, Linux and OSX. wxPython emulates Gtk What? On some platforms (Linux), wxPython _uses_ Gtk. I don't see how you could say it emulates it. (though using some native widgets, it also uses some of its own) and in many cases it looks non-native compared to Gtk. How can that be the case when wxPython is using Gtk? If your target platform includes Unix systems, you'll have to decide whether inconsistencies with the look and feel of the desktop are an issue for you. wxPython looks completely native on Unix, because it's using a native widget set (Gtk). PyGTK works under Linux and Windows, but doens't use native widgets under Windows, so it won't look like a normal windows app. Gtk on Win32 can be themed to looked like Windows, AFAIK the Win32 installer does this by default since a couple of months. That's good to know. -- Grant Edwards grante Yow! Hello? Enema Bondage? at I'm calling because I want visi.comto be happy, I guess ... -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: which GUI module you suggest me to use?
On 6/6/07, Samuel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 00:22:40 +, Grant Edwards wrote: I know that WxPython work only under Windows and PyGTK work only under Linux... You 'know' wrong. wxPython works fine under Windows, Linux and OSX. wxPython emulates Gtk (though using some native widgets, it also uses some of its own) and in many cases it looks non-native compared to Gtk. If your target platform includes Unix systems, you'll have to decide whether inconsistencies with the look and feel of the desktop are an issue for you. In the general case, wxWidgets wraps (not emulates) Gtk. I don't believe that there are any common controls left which are still emulated (maybe the list control? I'm not sure - I don't follow the bleeding edge of wx anymore). wxPython (as opposed to wxWidgets, the C++ core) has a sizeable library of custom controls as part of its standard lib. Most of these are owner-drawn for various reasons and often won't appear native (Andrea Gavin, probably the most prolific custom control author, works primarily on Windows). PyGTK works under Linux and Windows, but doens't use native widgets under Windows, so it won't look like a normal windows app. Gtk on Win32 can be themed to looked like Windows, AFAIK the Win32 installer does this by default since a couple of months. That stretches the truth rather significantly. While the win32 theme does use the windows theme apis for drawing, it still has slightly different colors (especially window backgrounds and menus), and (more importantly) vastly and notably different behavior. Shortcuts are different, renderings are different, the Gtk drawing model is used instead of the windows one (leads to quite jarring repainting differences), different fonts, etc, etc. It looks okay in a screenshot but is clearly non-native and foreign in use. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: which GUI module you suggest me to use?
On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 14:43:35 +, Grant Edwards wrote: On 2007-06-06, Samuel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 00:22:40 +, Grant Edwards wrote: wxPython works fine under Windows, Linux and OSX. wxPython emulates Gtk What? On some platforms (Linux), wxPython _uses_ Gtk. I don't see how you could say it emulates it. That may be true in some cases, but in fact, most widgets show some sort of difference. Take for example the HPaned - it looks totally different (the slider is a lot slimmer, plus moving it makes a line appear. The behavior is different as well). Even simple widgets show differences. Try triple-clicking into entry boxes, it's different from Gtk. (though using some native widgets, it also uses some of its own) and in many cases it looks non-native compared to Gtk. How can that be the case when wxPython is using Gtk? Obviously, it does *not* always use Gtk. If your target platform includes Unix systems, you'll have to decide whether inconsistencies with the look and feel of the desktop are an issue for you. wxPython looks completely native on Unix, because it's using a native widget set (Gtk). Same as above. -Samuel -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: which GUI module you suggest me to use?
On 6/6/07, Samuel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 14:43:35 +, Grant Edwards wrote: On 2007-06-06, Samuel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 00:22:40 +, Grant Edwards wrote: wxPython works fine under Windows, Linux and OSX. wxPython emulates Gtk What? On some platforms (Linux), wxPython _uses_ Gtk. I don't see how you could say it emulates it. That may be true in some cases, but in fact, most widgets show some sort of difference. Take for example the HPaned - it looks totally different (the slider is a lot slimmer, plus moving it makes a line appear. The behavior is different as well). I'm not familiar with any wxPython control called HPaned. There's a couple different types of splitter, the Gtk native one is wxSplitterWindow. The others are owner drawn with better or worse native appearance. Splitters are one of those things where everyone writes their own, like web frameworks. Even simple widgets show differences. Try triple-clicking into entry boxes, it's different from Gtk. Text boxes are absolutely native controls under gtk. (though using some native widgets, it also uses some of its own) and in many cases it looks non-native compared to Gtk. How can that be the case when wxPython is using Gtk? Obviously, it does *not* always use Gtk. It *always* uses Gtk. Some people write or use custom controls, which may or may not have gtk native analogs. This isn't any different than using pygtk and writing custom widgets. If your target platform includes Unix systems, you'll have to decide whether inconsistencies with the look and feel of the desktop are an issue for you. wxPython looks completely native on Unix, because it's using a native widget set (Gtk). Same as above. -Samuel -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: which GUI module you suggest me to use?
On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 09:45:48 -0500, Chris Mellon wrote: On 6/6/07, Samuel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the general case, wxWidgets wraps (not emulates) Gtk. I don't believe that there are any common controls left which are still emulated (maybe the list control? I'm not sure - I don't follow the bleeding edge of wx anymore). See my other response. Also, the fact that Gtk widgets are used does not necessarily mean that the behavior is the same - you can still do all kinds of weird stuff by hooking into the callbacks. Some of the differences to Gtk were probably introduced to wx in order to have more consistent behavior over different platforms. wxPython (as opposed to wxWidgets, the C++ core) has a sizeable library of custom controls as part of its standard lib. Most of these are owner-drawn for various reasons and often won't appear native (Andrea Gavin, probably the most prolific custom control author, works primarily on Windows). This affects the C++ core as well. aMule (which is written in CPP) is one particular complex example that exposes many of those problems when used on Linux. PyGTK works under Linux and Windows, but doens't use native widgets under Windows, so it won't look like a normal windows app. Gtk on Win32 can be themed to looked like Windows, AFAIK the Win32 installer does this by default since a couple of months. That stretches the truth rather significantly. While the win32 theme does use the windows theme apis for drawing, it still has slightly different colors (especially window backgrounds and menus), and (more importantly) vastly and notably different behavior. Well, I have only tried Gaim on windows and could not tell the difference. But then, I am not a regular Windows user. Shortcuts are different, renderings are different, the Gtk drawing model is used instead of the windows one (leads to quite jarring repainting differences), different fonts, etc, etc. It looks okay in a screenshot but is clearly non-native and foreign in use. Sounds bad. It also sounds much like what I experienced with wx on Linux. I guess there is no perfect solution, you always have to target one primary platform. (Well, there's SWT, but the Gtk emulation too has it's drawbacks...) -Samuel -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: which GUI module you suggest me to use?
On 6/6/07, Samuel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 09:45:48 -0500, Chris Mellon wrote: On 6/6/07, Samuel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the general case, wxWidgets wraps (not emulates) Gtk. I don't believe that there are any common controls left which are still emulated (maybe the list control? I'm not sure - I don't follow the bleeding edge of wx anymore). See my other response. Also, the fact that Gtk widgets are used does not necessarily mean that the behavior is the same - you can still do all kinds of weird stuff by hooking into the callbacks. Some of the differences to Gtk were probably introduced to wx in order to have more consistent behavior over different platforms. This is true and in the specific case of triple click, wx does indeed report them to the application differently than gtk does. This doesn't, to my knowledge, interfere with text controls that don't try to handle the click, but it may result in inconsistent behavior with an app that adds triple click behavior to it's own text controls. wxPython (as opposed to wxWidgets, the C++ core) has a sizeable library of custom controls as part of its standard lib. Most of these are owner-drawn for various reasons and often won't appear native (Andrea Gavin, probably the most prolific custom control author, works primarily on Windows). This affects the C++ core as well. aMule (which is written in CPP) is one particular complex example that exposes many of those problems when used on Linux. the aMule team makes heavy use of their own custom written controls - issues with it are not necessarily representative of the toolkit. The C++ core has very few controls which are entirely custom drawn, and those are generally controls which don't exist in the native platform. PyGTK works under Linux and Windows, but doens't use native widgets under Windows, so it won't look like a normal windows app. Gtk on Win32 can be themed to looked like Windows, AFAIK the Win32 installer does this by default since a couple of months. That stretches the truth rather significantly. While the win32 theme does use the windows theme apis for drawing, it still has slightly different colors (especially window backgrounds and menus), and (more importantly) vastly and notably different behavior. Well, I have only tried Gaim on windows and could not tell the difference. But then, I am not a regular Windows user. Shortcuts are different, renderings are different, the Gtk drawing model is used instead of the windows one (leads to quite jarring repainting differences), different fonts, etc, etc. It looks okay in a screenshot but is clearly non-native and foreign in use. Sounds bad. It also sounds much like what I experienced with wx on Linux. I regularly use wxGTK and wxPython under linux with gnome (it's my sole desktop at home - I only use windows at work). The differences are orders of magnitude in severity. One common problem is that people use incorrect (but working on Windows) code and don't test under linux, it can cause similar issues. The *toolkit* is very strong on all platforms. Individual apps are often much less strong, because relatively view developers have access and motivation to test heavily on all platforms. wx tries to make correct code work the same on all platforms, but it can't make incorrect code fail the same way on all platforms. And, of course, many people simply aren't familiar with or choose not to use the APIs that wx provides for whatever reason. Custom controls that don't use native fonts are fairly common, for example, even though wx provides APIs to retrieve the correct fonts and the use of them is encouraged - people just hardcode whatever they know the right font is on their native platform. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: which GUI module you suggest me to use?
Hi! Only under Win: PLUIE (http://ponx.org/ponx/guie) This GUI is natively HTML. -- @-salutations Michel Claveau -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: which GUI module you suggest me to use?
On Jun 5, 2:57 pm, ZioMiP [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi to all... I'm actually using Tkinter for my GUI... but I need to put a piece of a web-page in a widget how can I do? which GUI module do you suggest me to use for do that? or which GUI module do you suggest me to use at all? I'm acutally using Windows Xp but I also use Linux... I know that WxPython work only under Windows and PyGTK work only under Linux... there's some other modules? Maybe you can try Tkhtml. It supports both Windows and Linux. Simon -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: which GUI module you suggest me to use?
I know that WxPython work only under Windows Hmm, there seems to be some disparity between what you know and the truth... WxPython works everywhere (Windows, Linux, MacOS), and it works well. Also, it has web widgets that come standard (wx.html.HtmlWindow). Matt -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: which GUI module you suggest me to use?
Matimus ha scritto: I know that WxPython work only under Windows Hmm, there seems to be some disparity between what you know and the truth... WxPython works everywhere (Windows, Linux, MacOS), and it works well. Also, it has web widgets that come standard (wx.html.HtmlWindow). Matt Thanks for this ^_^ so I think I'll try to migrate to wx -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: which GUI module you suggest me to use?
ZioMiP je napisao/la: Hi to all... I'm actually using Tkinter for my GUI... but I need to put a piece of a web-page in a widget how can I do? which GUI module do you suggest me to use for do that? or which GUI module do you suggest me to use at all? I'm acutally using Windows Xp but I also use Linux... I know that WxPython work only under Windows and PyGTK work only under Linux... there's some other modules? have you considered using qt, i.e., pyqt, pyqwt? unlike wx, qt draws its own icons... -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
which GUI module you suggest me to use?
Hi to all... I'm actually using Tkinter for my GUI... but I need to put a piece of a web-page in a widget how can I do? which GUI module do you suggest me to use for do that? or which GUI module do you suggest me to use at all? I'm acutally using Windows Xp but I also use Linux... I know that WxPython work only under Windows and PyGTK work only under Linux... there's some other modules? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: which GUI module you suggest me to use?
Cameron Laird ha scritto: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], ZioMiP [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi to all... I'm actually using Tkinter for my GUI... but I need to put a piece of a web-page in a widget how can I do? which GUI module do you suggest me to use for do that? or which GUI module do you suggest me to use at all? I'm acutally using Windows Xp but I also use Linux... I know that WxPython work only under Windows and PyGTK work only under Linux... there's some other modules? ? wxPython is available for Linux and Mac OS X. PyGTK is available for Windows. Apparently you want to embed Web content in a Tkinter widget. There are several ways to do this. Do you need a live browser, or is it enough to render HTML? I think is like a live browser... not only render HTML because the webpage got a bit of javascript inside... -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], ZioMiP [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi to all... I'm actually using Tkinter for my GUI... but I need to put a piece of a web-page in a widget how can I do? which GUI module do you suggest me to use for do that? or which GUI module do you suggest me to use at all? I'm acutally using Windows Xp but I also use Linux... I know that WxPython work only under Windows and PyGTK work only under Linux... there's some other modules? ? wxPython is available for Linux and Mac OS X. PyGTK is available for Windows. Apparently you want to embed Web content in a Tkinter widget. There are several ways to do this. Do you need a live browser, or is it enough to render HTML? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On 2007-06-05, ZioMiP [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know that WxPython work only under Windows and PyGTK work only under Linux... You 'know' wrong. wxPython works fine under Windows, Linux and OSX. PyGTK works under Linux and Windows, but doens't use native widgets under Windows, so it won't look like a normal windows app. there's some other modules? PyQt -- Grant Edwards grante Yow! Xerox your lunch at and file it under sex visi.comoffenders! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Jun 5, 4:17 pm, ZioMiP [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cameron Laird ha scritto: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], ZioMiP [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi to all... I'm actually using Tkinter for my GUI... but I need to put a piece of a web-page in a widget how can I do? which GUI module do you suggest me to use for do that? or which GUI module do you suggest me to use at all? I'm acutally using Windows Xp but I also use Linux... I know that WxPython work only under Windows and PyGTK work only under Linux... there's some other modules? ? wxPython is available for Linux and Mac OS X. PyGTK is available for Windows. Apparently you want to embed Web content in a Tkinter widget. There are several ways to do this. Do you need a live browser, or is it enough to render HTML? I think is like a live browser... not only render HTML because the webpage got a bit of javascript inside... Is this webpage untouchable, or is HTML rendering just a shortcut to avoid redesigning part of the app? If you need faithful rendering of an arbitrary webpage along with a Javascript runtime, that's a bigger issue, and you might want to look at some of the Mozilla tools, particularly XULRunner: http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Building_XULRunner_with_Python Otherwise, wxPython's HTML widget or TkHtml should be fine -- your code will probably be easier to maintain and debug if you translate that bit of Javascript to Python (language constructs are similar, especially with xml.dom.minidom). -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Jun 6, 12:13 pm, Eric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 5, 4:17 pm, ZioMiP [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cameron Laird ha scritto: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], ZioMiP [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi to all... I'm actually using Tkinter for my GUI... but I need to put a piece of a web-page in a widget how can I do? which GUI module do you suggest me to use for do that? or which GUI module do you suggest me to use at all? I'm acutally using Windows Xp but I also use Linux... I know that WxPython work only under Windows and PyGTK work only under Linux... there's some other modules? ? wxPython is available for Linux and Mac OS X. PyGTK is available for Windows. Apparently you want to embed Web content in a Tkinter widget. There are several ways to do this. Do you need a live browser, or is it enough to render HTML? I think is like a live browser... not only render HTML because the webpage got a bit of javascript inside... Is this webpage untouchable, or is HTML rendering just a shortcut to avoid redesigning part of the app? If you need faithful rendering of an arbitrary webpage along with a Javascript runtime, that's a bigger issue, and you might want to look at some of the Mozilla tools, particularly XULRunner: http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Building_XULRunner_with_Python Otherwise, wxPython's HTML widget or TkHtml should be fine -- your code will probably be easier to maintain and debug if you translate that bit of Javascript to Python (language constructs are similar, especially with xml.dom.minidom). You could also consider the use of Crunchy, and use the web page AS the GUI. -T -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ZioMiP je napisao/la: Hi to all... I'm actually using Tkinter for my GUI... but I need to put a piece of a web-page in a widget how can I do? which GUI module do you suggest me to use for do that? or which GUI module do you suggest me to use at all? I'm acutally using Windows Xp but I also use Linux... I know that WxPython work only under Windows and PyGTK work only under Linux... there's some other modules? have you considered using qt, i.e., pyqt, pyqwt? unlike wx, qt draws its own icons... This completely loses me; what do you mean by draw its own icon, and what does that have to do with rendering Web pages? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Michael Ekstrand [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ME) wrote: ME I've used both wxPython and PyGTK. I find wxPython to be horribly ME un-pythonic; combining that some problems on the Mac, and some ME other installation/environment issues, I ditched it for PyGTK. But AFAIK GTK doesn't have a native implementation on the Mac, only X11. At least not in a stable version. -- Piet van Oostrum [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: http://www.cs.uu.nl/~piet [PGP 8DAE142BE17999C4] Private email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Hardly a showstopper: gtk works now (with X11), and will work even better soon (native). :-) -- Ciao, Renato -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Paul Boddie on comp.lang.python said: Now, since the commercial licence is per developer, some cunning outfit could claim that only one developer wrote their product (rather than one hundred developers, say), but this would be a fairly big breach of trust (although nothing unusual in the world of commerce, I'm sure). Would a business making software for other such businesses care about such things? What kind of recourse would they have? Just one thing I don't understand: if you're developing all your software inside your company, how would they know if you already coded it or you still have to? Also, couldn't a big company buy a *single* commercial license from the beginning, build a software employing hundreds of developers using the GPL license, and then distribute the software pretending that the single developer had done everything? This would hit Trolltech anyway. I think the problem has to do with the QT license system. It's their problem, not a developer's one. Also, I suppose one of their commercial licenses provides with far lot more than a license - e.g. I think they'll offer support, design tools, additional docs and libraries. And what would then be their income if they refused to sell you a commercial license because they *know* you've already coded your app using the GPL license of Qt? You could simply throw away your app and never distribute it, and they would'nt see a cent anyway. Personally, I don't like Qt licensing, since I think there're good widget sets around that don't have such limitations, but I don't think that people at Trolltech are really trolls :-= -- Alan Franzoni [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Togli .xyz dalla mia email per contattarmi. Rremove .xyz from my address in order to contact me. - GPG Key Fingerprint: 5C77 9DC3 BD5B 3A28 E7BC 921A 0255 42AA FE06 8F3E -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Op 2006-03-13, Paul Boddie schreef [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Paul Rubin wrote: Paul Boddie [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What people don't usually understand (or rather complain about loudly) is that Trolltech can refuse to license Qt to you under the commercial licence, as is their right as the owner of the copyrighted work. What is the deal here? Why would they refuse, to someone willing to pay the commercial license fee? They are a business, and as such, Well, I can't answer for them in any sense (and I should ask you to substitute any company with a similar business model for Trolltech in the text, along with accompanying product names, in order to emphasize the mere speculative nature of my explanation), but all I was trying to do was to explain the pattern of behaviour that goes something like this: 1. Developer downloads Qt GPL edition. 2. Developer develops product based on Qt. 3. Some time later, with finished product, developer now wants to release a closed source version of the product. 4. Developer approaches Trolltech and asks for a commercial licence in order to ship a closed source product. Now, since the commercial licence is per developer, some cunning outfit could claim that only one developer wrote their product (rather than one hundred developers, say), but this would be a fairly big breach of trust (although nothing unusual in the world of commerce, I'm sure). Would a business making software for other such businesses care about such things? What kind of recourse would they have? I wonder what this per developer means. Suppose ten people are working on a product. But only one person is working on the GUI and comes into contact with the Qt widget. Is that one or ten developers that are counted for the license? -- Antoon Pardon -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Alan Franzoni wrote: Just one thing I don't understand: if you're developing all your software inside your company, how would they know if you already coded it or you still have to? I have no idea. But as I said elsewhere, I'm not in any sense a party to the process that would attempt to define such enforcement matters. Also, couldn't a big company buy a *single* commercial license from the beginning, build a software employing hundreds of developers using the GPL license, and then distribute the software pretending that the single developer had done everything? This would hit Trolltech anyway. True, but then have you ever used proprietary software with those irritating floating licences or with licence keys? Sure, a company doing stuff on the cheap could buy fewer licences than they need - I've been in a situation where an employer has bought n licences of some flashy-but-not-exactly-necessary solution that everyone (n + x people) has been forced to use, and you end up with all sorts of management workarounds (if you're not using product X, can you log off and log back in later?) - and I'd imagine that where technical measures aren't the means of limiting the number of users, you get all sorts of management workarounds to give the impression that only one developer is using the software in other enforcement regimes: having one person that collates and forwards support requests, for example. That businesses would rather waste their employees' time at a much higher cost than just forking out for more software isn't a surprise to me whatsoever. I think the problem has to do with the QT license system. It's their problem, not a developer's one. Also, I suppose one of their commercial licenses provides with far lot more than a license - e.g. I think they'll offer support, design tools, additional docs and libraries. I believe so, yes. However, the problem with any licensing system is generally the developer's: if you want to sell a solution based on Microsoft Office, is it Microsoft's problem that they chose an ultra-proprietary licence? As a developer you do get to choose other solutions, however. (Perhaps I've misinterpreted what you meant, though.) And what would then be their income if they refused to sell you a commercial license because they *know* you've already coded your app using the GPL license of Qt? You could simply throw away your app and never distribute it, and they would'nt see a cent anyway. I have no idea. It's best to ask them that question rather than random newsgroup contributors, I think. ;-) Paul -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On 14 Mar 2006 06:10:19 -0800, Paul Boddie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alan Franzoni wrote: Just one thing I don't understand: if you're developing all your software inside your company, how would they know if you already coded it or you still have to? I have no idea. But as I said elsewhere, I'm not in any sense a party to the process that would attempt to define such enforcement matters. Also, couldn't a big company buy a *single* commercial license from the beginning, build a software employing hundreds of developers using the GPL license, and then distribute the software pretending that the single developer had done everything? This would hit Trolltech anyway. True, but then have you ever used proprietary software with those irritating floating licences or with licence keys? Sure, a company doing stuff on the cheap could buy fewer licences than they need - I've been in a situation where an employer has bought n licences of some flashy-but-not-exactly-necessary solution that everyone (n + x people) has been forced to use, and you end up with all sorts of management workarounds (if you're not using product X, can you log off and log back in later?) - and I'd imagine that where technical measures aren't the means of limiting the number of users, you get all sorts of management workarounds to give the impression that only one developer is using the software in other enforcement regimes: having one person that collates and forwards support requests, for example. That businesses would rather waste their employees' time at a much higher cost than just forking out for more software isn't a surprise to me whatsoever. I think the problem has to do with the QT license system. It's their problem, not a developer's one. Also, I suppose one of their commercial licenses provides with far lot more than a license - e.g. I think they'll offer support, design tools, additional docs and libraries. I believe so, yes. However, the problem with any licensing system is generally the developer's: if you want to sell a solution based on Microsoft Office, is it Microsoft's problem that they chose an ultra-proprietary licence? As a developer you do get to choose other solutions, however. (Perhaps I've misinterpreted what you meant, though.) And what would then be their income if they refused to sell you a commercial license because they *know* you've already coded your app using the GPL license of Qt? You could simply throw away your app and never distribute it, and they would'nt see a cent anyway. I have no idea. It's best to ask them that question rather than random newsgroup contributors, I think. ;-) It's pretty obvious, though. The whole point of people doing this is that they only want to pay for 1 license once rather than X licenses for the whole dev cycle. By not selling you a license they lose $1000, but they keep enforcing a licensing system that makes them a lot more money. Their leverage comes from the fact that you've invested however much time and effort into the app development and while you can toss it you're out a great deal more than they are. I suspect that if enough money changed hands (like, you paid for your X developers backdated to when you started development) you could convince TT to sell you a license, too. Paul -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Am Fri, 10 Mar 2006 16:10:09 +0100 schrieb Sybren Stuvel: Thomas Guettler enlightened us with: The licence for QT is GPL, this means you cannot use it in commercial application. That is why I never looked at it. Ehmm... from their website: From http://www.trolltech.com/products/qt/licensing.html The Qt Commercial License is the correct license to use for the construction of proprietary, commercial software. The license allows you to: - Build commercial software and software whose source code you wish to keep private. - Freely choose licensing for the software you are writing (Proprietary, Open Source or both). - Be able to gain access to Qt Solutions, Trolltech support and commercial-only Qt components such as commercial database drivers and the Visual Studio Integration on Windows. Have you read all the text? Two qualities of the Qt Commercial License should be emphasized: You need it before you start development of proprietary software. You must purchase a Qt Commercial License from Trolltech or from any of its authorized resellers before you start developing. The Commercial license does not allow the incorporation of code developed with the Open Source Edition of Qt into a proprietary product. There is a GPL version for Linux. But the GPL does not allow linking with closed source software. -- Thomas Güttler, http://www.thomas-guettler.de/ E-Mail: guettli (*) thomas-guettler + de Spam Catcher: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Thomas Guettler enlightened us with: There is a GPL version for Linux. But the GPL does not allow linking with closed source software. The availability of a GPL license does not negate the availability of a commercial license. You can write commercial, closed source software on Linux using Qt legally. Sybren -- The problem with the world is stupidity. Not saying there should be a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself? Frank Zappa -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Thomas Guettler wrote: Have you read all the text? Two qualities of the Qt Commercial License should be emphasized: You need it before you start development of proprietary software. You must purchase a Qt Commercial License from Trolltech or from any of its authorized resellers before you start developing. The Commercial license does not allow the incorporation of code developed with the Open Source Edition of Qt into a proprietary product. There is a GPL version for Linux. But the GPL does not allow linking with closed source software. My understanding of how it all works is this: Trolltech offers you Qt under the GPL; you can choose to accept the GPL; you then uphold the GPL in the distribution of your work. Alternatively, you request that Trolltech license the software to you under the Qt Commercial License; they decide whether or not they want to license it to you; if they decide yes, you get to distribute your proprietary software with the proprietary edition of the product. What people don't usually understand (or rather complain about loudly) is that Trolltech can refuse to license Qt to you under the commercial licence, as is their right as the owner of the copyrighted work. As far as I know, you can still obtain Qt under the GPL from them in such a situation, although this is fairly academic since there are lots of people offering Qt under the GPL in a variety of GNU/Linux distributions, for example. Usually, the people making a fuss about all this have already licensed Qt under the GPL, however, and believe that they have a right to switch over to another licence, but neither the GPL nor any basic aspect of copyright practice supports such a notion. So, yes, you either say up front that you're developing proprietary software and buy into that special deal with the copyright holder, or you don't. Of course, you could try and distribute non-commercial, evaluation, trial, educational-use-only, non-redistributable or NDA-affected versions of your favourite proprietary software products and see which court of law that takes you to - in these debates nobody seems to ask themselves whether Bill Gates and/or Steve Jobs would let you switch around, slip out of that NDA, give you special upgrades, strike through clauses in that EULA, and so on down the list of things that nobody thought about when putting together that now-shaky business model. Paul -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Paul Boddie [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What people don't usually understand (or rather complain about loudly) is that Trolltech can refuse to license Qt to you under the commercial licence, as is their right as the owner of the copyrighted work. What is the deal here? Why would they refuse, to someone willing to pay the commercial license fee? They are a business, and as such, they presumably like gettng money. And someone wanting to develop a proprietary app with Qt that users have to pay for, shouldn't mind paying Trolltech for the commercial Qt license. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On 13 Mar 2006 10:19:05 -0800, Paul Rubin http://phr.cx@nospam.invalid wrote: Paul Boddie [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What people don't usually understand (or rather complain about loudly) is that Trolltech can refuse to license Qt to you under the commercial licence, as is their right as the owner of the copyrighted work. What is the deal here? Why would they refuse, to someone willing to pay the commercial license fee? They are a business, and as such, they presumably like gettng money. And someone wanting to develop a proprietary app with Qt that users have to pay for, shouldn't mind paying Trolltech for the commercial Qt license. -- Qt (commercial) licensing is a subscription - you pay per developer per year - so an obvious thing for people to attempt (and I have no idea if this has been tried, but I wouldn't doubt it) is for a company to download the GPL version, develop the application internally, and then purchase 1 license when they're ready to ship. This would seriously bite into TTs income and they aren't interested in allowing you do this, so while you're free to download the GPL version and develop all you want, TT won't sell you a commercial license after the fact like this. http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Paul Rubin wrote: Paul Boddie [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What people don't usually understand (or rather complain about loudly) is that Trolltech can refuse to license Qt to you under the commercial licence, as is their right as the owner of the copyrighted work. What is the deal here? Why would they refuse, to someone willing to pay the commercial license fee? They are a business, and as such, Well, I can't answer for them in any sense (and I should ask you to substitute any company with a similar business model for Trolltech in the text, along with accompanying product names, in order to emphasize the mere speculative nature of my explanation), but all I was trying to do was to explain the pattern of behaviour that goes something like this: 1. Developer downloads Qt GPL edition. 2. Developer develops product based on Qt. 3. Some time later, with finished product, developer now wants to release a closed source version of the product. 4. Developer approaches Trolltech and asks for a commercial licence in order to ship a closed source product. Now, since the commercial licence is per developer, some cunning outfit could claim that only one developer wrote their product (rather than one hundred developers, say), but this would be a fairly big breach of trust (although nothing unusual in the world of commerce, I'm sure). Would a business making software for other such businesses care about such things? What kind of recourse would they have? they presumably like gettng money. And someone wanting to develop a proprietary app with Qt that users have to pay for, shouldn't mind paying Trolltech for the commercial Qt license. It's the after the fact switching from GPL to commercial licensing, rather than the up-front wanting to develop scenario, that would be difficult for anyone issuing commercial licences to monitor. Trolltech specifically mention exposure to the GPL on their open source downloads page presumably (and again I speculate, so beware!) to suggest that if you want to end commercial, you need to start commercial: http://www.trolltech.com/download/opensource.html I don't see why anyone planning to make big bucks on proprietary software can't shell out for the technology which would make their success possible, either. But anyway, the key part of my explanation was that the copyright holder can always refuse to license their work to you. Obviously, if they've already licensed it to you under the GPL, you'll always have that kind of permission. Paul -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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i'm pretty much a newbie, too, and have been dabbling with some gui tools so far, i like pythoncard pretty well it wraps wxpython and seems to be pretty easy to use -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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You guys are great :) thanx for the plenty answers and suggestions; I've made my search through a little more and decided to start coding the same app first with pygtk and second with wxpython.. and perhaps later with pyqt. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Alan Franzoni wrote: FLTK was interesting but seems to lack maintenance and support, Looking at the News section of the project's home page, I can see that updates were few and far between in 2004 and 2005, but the action seems to have picked up again since: http://pyfltk.sourceforge.net/#news pyQT is a bit 'unfree' for most uses. Unfree as in the opposite of freedom, or unfree as in the price of beer? PyQt for Qt 3 is available under the GNU General Public License on Mac OS X and Linux. Since Qt 4 can be used under the GPL on all platforms, you'll even be able to write software on Windows with PyQt4 that's licensed under a GPL-compatible license. FAQ: http://www.riverbankcomputing.co.uk/pyqt/faq.php Roadmap: http://www.riverbankcomputing.co.uk/pyqt/roadmap.php Tkinter is quite old stuff. But actively supported and promoted: http://wiki.python.org/moin/TkInter And I'm sure there are plenty of other solutions that deserve to be mentioned: http://wiki.python.org/moin/GuiProgramming David -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 00:07:52 +0100 Alan Franzoni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: again to make a choice is difficult; is there also some guy liking pyqt is it worse or should it be avoided because of the licencing policy for qt (which I also like..)? * Which one is the most fun to program with? * Which one is the most easy to learn? * Which one looks best? * Which one is the most productive to program with? wxPython is a pretty good 'all-round' and cross-platform library, and includes some non-graphical features. It's got a drawback: it's a wrapper for the wxwidgets library, and hence it's not very pythonic; you can solve part of its unpythonicness using wax, which is not very well documented at the time. wxGlade can be used to design GUI apps with little effort. pyGTK works well, too. Recent versions perform well and are good looking on Windows systems as well as Linux and Macs (if you provide an X server). It's very well documented (better than wxPython, in my opinion) and its license is quite permissive. It's unpythonic just like wxPython. Glade and Gazpacho can be used to design GUI apps in a visual way. I'll throw my two cents in here now. I've used both wxPython and PyGTK. I find wxPython to be horribly un-pythonic; combining that some problems on the Mac, and some other installation/environment issues, I ditched it for PyGTK. I find PyGTK to be very natural, and actually highly Pythonic. So much of its design just makes sense. And GTK provides a lot of nice things, and is itself incredibly versitle (the places you can put odd widgets...). I've found myself to be more productive with GTK (both PyGTK and GTKmm) than with any other system I've used (with the possible exception of web interfaces). - Michael -- mouse, n: a device for pointing at the xterm in which you want to type. -- Fortune -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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invitro81 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] But I've no idea which one I should use to start with.. One thing you'll need to carefully decide is where you want to end up. The different toolkits have different limits on where you can go. A simple example is printing. Some don't support it (eg Tkinter didn't 5 years ago when I last used it). If you will never need to print then that won't matter. Generally what you'll find is that the toolkits that let you do more are harder to get started with because you have to code in such a way as to let the more complicated features (eg printing) work, and the documentation is bigger because there is more to document. These are some of those areas to consider: Printing Can you print? Does the user get to use their operating system specific dialog boxes to choose printers etc? As a developer can you find out if the printer is colour or black and white? What about the paper size? HTML Does the toolkit have a way for you to display HTML? How complicated can the HTML be (eg CSS)? Can you embed widgets in the HTML? Threading Do you have to confine gui operations to one thread? How do you send a message from a worker thread to the gui thread (the gui thread will block in an event loop - that event loop needs to be able to be woken up from other threads) Native look and feel Will your users expect a native looking application? Will they want drag and drop? Do they expect rich objects on the keyboard? Is the toolkit available for all platforms you would want to run on (Windows, Linux, Mac, BSD etc) and their variations (different processors, 32 and 64 bit runtimes)? OLE Can you display other applications as a widget within yours? What about the other way round? Can you script other applications? (Python actually has the latter available on many platforms without the need for the gui toolkit to so) i18n/l10n Does the toolkit support Unicode? How easy is it to use with multiple languages? Additional packages What additional packages are there for the toolkit? For example Pmw provides more widgets to tkinter and their are GL packages for the various toolkits. If you are going to do graphics heavy stuff you'll want some way of hooking the toolkit with PIL. There should be some sort of demo available. wxPython has a fantastic one showing every single widget with code you edit to see what effect it has. The documentation should be good as well. Pick a random question such as how do I delete all entries in a listbox begining with 'foo' and see if you can work it out from the documentation. There should also be some sort of mailing list and user forums. Look for helpful answers being given with people being polite. What I would suggest you do is write a simple application in two or three different toolkits (eg convert temperature between F and C). You'll learn various ways of dealing with widget placement and sizers. (ie what happens if the user makes the containing window larger or smaller). My suggestions are to try PyGame, Tkinter and wxPython. You'll be better off having learned lessons from all 3 than just using one. The piece of good news is that to my knowledge applications written using any of the toolkits can be packaged up using tools like py2exe/py2app/cx_Freeze so that you can redistribute them to other users and those users will not have to know or care that you used Python and whatever toolkit. Roger -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Which GUI toolkit is THE best?
Hello I've recently learnt python and I do love it! I congratulate all those geeks who produce this nice language; well, because I could be called a nearby newbee I've decided to improve my abilities by writing my own nice editor with python; so I've to choose among all those GUI toolkit's available there.. But I've no idea which one I should use to start with.. I've read that tkinter seems to be the de facto standart in the pyhon community; but why? Is it the best available one or are theire other reasons? I read also a litte about wxpython and pygtk.. both are appealing to me but again to make a choice is difficult; is there also some guy liking pyqt is it worse or should it be avoided because of the licencing policy for qt (which I also like..)? * Which one is the most fun to program with? * Which one is the most easy to learn? * Which one looks best? * Which one is the most productive to program with? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Which GUI toolkit is THE best?
On 3/10/06, invitro81 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But I've no idea which one I should use to start with.. I've read that tkinter seems to be the de facto standart in the pyhon community; but why? Is it the best available one or are theire other reasons? I read also a litte about wxpython and pygtk.. both are appealing to me but again to make a choice is difficult; is there also some guy liking pyqt is it worse or should it be avoided because of the licencing policy for qt (which I also like..)? * Which one is the most fun to program with? * Which one is the most easy to learn? * Which one looks best? * Which one is the most productive to program with? GUI toolkits are not simple things to be productive with. Most people I know tried out a few briefly, found one that fit their needs and/or programming style better, and then adopted that as their choice. Given the complexity of GUIs in general, developers tend to be 'fluent' in one at a time - it's just too much to remember when switching between different kits. So most of the answers you get will invariably be tilted toward the choice that an individual made. Their reasons for that choice may not be the same as your reasons, so my advice to you would be to check them all out for a few hours apiece, and make a choice based on your impressions. Having said that, my choice for UI toolkit is wxPython, based on its use of native controls on all platforms. I disliked the syntax it inherited from wxWidgets, the C++ project it is based on, but then I found Dabo, whose UI layer wraps wxPython, giving you all the power and beauty of wxPython, with none of the ugliness. -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Which GUI toolkit is THE best?
invitro81 schreef: Hello I've recently learnt python and I do love it! I congratulate all those geeks who produce this nice language; well, because I could be called a nearby newbee I've decided to improve my abilities by writing my own nice editor with python; so I've to choose among all those GUI toolkit's available there.. But I've no idea which one I should use to start with.. I've read that tkinter seems to be the de facto standart in the pyhon community; but why? Is it the best available one or are theire other reasons? I read also a litte about wxpython and pygtk.. both are appealing to me but again to make a choice is difficult; is there also some guy liking pyqt is it worse or should it be avoided because of the licencing policy for qt (which I also like..)? * Which one is the most fun to program with? * Which one is the most easy to learn? * Which one looks best? * Which one is the most productive to program with? Read this http://wxpython.org/quotes.php ;-) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Which GUI toolkit is THE best?
On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 13:36:18 +0100, invitro81 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello I've recently learnt python and I do love it! I congratulate all those geeks who produce this nice language; well, because I could be called a nearby newbee I've decided to improve my abilities by writing my own nice editor with python; so I've to choose among all those GUI toolkit's available there.. But I've no idea which one I should use to start with.. I've read that tkinter seems to be the de facto standart in the pyhon community; but why? Is it the best available one or are theire other reasons? I read also a litte about wxpython and pygtk.. both are appealing to me but again to make a choice is difficult; is there also some guy liking pyqt is it worse or should it be avoided because of the licencing policy for qt (which I also like..)? * Which one is the most fun to program with? * Which one is the most easy to learn? * Which one looks best? * Which one is the most productive to program with? It all depends on what features are the most important for you. Here is some help to answer the question yourself: http://www.awaretek.com/toolkits.html HTH -- python -c print ''.join([chr(154 - ord(c)) for c in 'U(17zX(%,5.zmz5(17;8(%,5.Z65\'*9--56l7+-']) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Which GUI toolkit is THE best?
Thomas Guettler enlightened us with: The licence for QT is GPL, this means you cannot use it in commercial application. That is why I never looked at it. Ehmm... from their website: The Qt Commercial License is the correct license to use for the construction of proprietary, commercial software. The license allows you to: - Build commercial software and software whose source code you wish to keep private. - Freely choose licensing for the software you are writing (Proprietary, Open Source or both). - Be able to gain access to Qt Solutions, Trolltech support and commercial-only Qt components such as commercial database drivers and the Visual Studio Integration on Windows. Sybren -- The problem with the world is stupidity. Not saying there should be a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself? Frank Zappa -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Thomas Guettler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . . . tkinter (or better TK) has no good table widget. . . . URL: http://tkinter.unpythonic.net/wiki/TkTable There are others, even, if that matters. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Which GUI toolkit is THE best?
Hi,in stead of going for the traditional GUIS like wxPython, PyGtk and the like, you could consider using a browser based GUI. Try CherryPy for instance. See also here: http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/Cookbook/Python/Recipe/442481regards,Dimitri On 3/10/06, invitro81 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:HelloI've recently learnt python and I do love it! I congratulate all those geeks who produce this nice language; well, because I could be called anearby newbee I've decided to improve my abilities by writing my ownnice editor with python; so I've to choose among all those GUI toolkit's available there..But I've no idea which one I should use to start with.. I've read thattkinter seems to be the de facto standart in the pyhon community; butwhy? Is it the best available one or are theire other reasons? I read also a litte about wxpython and pygtk.. both are appealing to me butagain to make a choice is difficult; is there also some guy liking pyqtis it worse or should it be avoided because of the licencing policy for qt (which I also like..)?* Which one is the most fun to program with?* Which one is the most easy to learn?* Which one looks best?* Which one is the most productive to program with? --http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. ~Arthur Schopenhauer Please visit dimitri's website: www.serpia.org -- All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.~Arthur Schopenhauer Please visit dimitri's website: www.serpia.org -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Which GUI toolkit is THE best?
invitro81 on comp.lang.python said: again to make a choice is difficult; is there also some guy liking pyqt is it worse or should it be avoided because of the licencing policy for qt (which I also like..)? * Which one is the most fun to program with? * Which one is the most easy to learn? * Which one looks best? * Which one is the most productive to program with? Those are all hard questions. You might as well have asked 'which is the best web framework'. It's not easy to tell ^_^ It highly depends on which tasks you're aiming at. wxPython is a pretty good 'all-round' and cross-platform library, and includes some non-graphical features. It's got a drawback: it's a wrapper for the wxwidgets library, and hence it's not very pythonic; you can solve part of its unpythonicness using wax, which is not very well documented at the time. wxGlade can be used to design GUI apps with little effort. pyGTK works well, too. Recent versions perform well and are good looking on Windows systems as well as Linux and Macs (if you provide an X server). It's very well documented (better than wxPython, in my opinion) and its license is quite permissive. It's unpythonic just like wxPython. Glade and Gazpacho can be used to design GUI apps in a visual way. pyGUI is a pyGTK-based graphic library which is designed from scratch to be pythonic. It seems very, very promising but I can't tell you if it's production-stable since I've tested it just a couple of times. It may be the funniest and more productive toolkit ever. FLTK was interesting but seems to lack maintenance and support, pyQT is a bit 'unfree' for most uses. Tkinter is quite old stuff. -- Alan Franzoni [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Togli .xyz dalla mia email per contattarmi. Rremove .xyz from my address in order to contact me. - GPG Key Fingerprint: 5C77 9DC3 BD5B 3A28 E7BC 921A 0255 42AA FE06 8F3E -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
