Re: Wikipedia and a little piece of Python History
On 21 Mar 2007 12:18:50 -0700, Paddy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just had a link to Tim peters first post on doctest: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/msg/1c57cfb7b3772763 removed from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctest as it doesn't fit their guidelines for external links. I wonder, could maybe the official website be persuaded to host a copy so that it could be linked to? Wikipedia should have some guideline for referencing Usenet postings, somewhere ... Anyway, it's a good thing to provide at least the Message-ID of the posting. As an example, your your posting here was uniquely identified by the Message-ID [EMAIL PROTECTED] /Jorgen -- // Jorgen Grahn grahn@Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu \X/ snipabacken.dyndns.org R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Wikipedia and a little piece of Python History
Jorgen Grahn [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Wikipedia should have some guideline for referencing Usenet postings, somewhere ... It has one (WP:RS). The guideline is don't do it. The problem is that these guidelines arise out of disputes, i.e. maybe someone tried to use a Usenet post to prove something about a politician, and the result (reasonably) was a guideline that said Usenet posts weren't reliable sources of info. In the cases where it's something ok, the editors use common sense and leave it alone. Until that bot got loose and started removing all Usenet links whether they were ok or not. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Wikipedia and a little piece of Python History
I just had a link to Tim peters first post on doctest: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/msg/1c57cfb7b3772763 removed from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctest as it doesn't fit their guidelines for external links. I wonder, could maybe the official website be persuaded to host a copy so that it could be linked to? Tim, would you object? - Paddy. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Wikipedia and a little piece of Python History
On 21 Mar 2007 12:18:50 -0700, Paddy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just had a link to Tim peters first post on doctest: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/msg/1c57cfb7b3772763 AFAIK, Google doesn't offer a permalink to usenet/group post (since a mayor upgrade they made some time ago). So this link may change in the future and point to somewhere else. Best, SB. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Wikipedia and a little piece of Python History
Paddy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I just had a link to Tim peters first post on doctest: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/msg/1c57cfb7b3772763 removed from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctest as it doesn't fit their guidelines for external links. I wonder, could maybe the official website be persuaded to host a copy so that it could be linked to? Tim, would you object? It (wikipedia) is a wiki, why not edit the page and paste it in? John -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Wikipedia and a little piece of Python History
On Mar 21, 8:20 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John J. Lee) wrote: Paddy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I just had a link to Tim peters first post on doctest: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/msg/1c57cfb7b3772763 removed fromhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctestas it doesn't fit their guidelines for external links. I wonder, could maybe the official website be persuaded to host a copy so that it could be linked to? Tim, would you object? It (wikipedia) is a wiki, why not edit the page and paste it in? John They have rules, and periodically trawl pages and clean them. I'd like to stay within the rules. - Paddy. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Wikipedia and a little piece of Python History
Paddy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I just had a link to Tim peters first post on doctest: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/msg/1c57cfb7b3772763 removed from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctest as it doesn't fit their guidelines for external links. Just sit tight for a while. It looks like someone went a bit overboard removing those links with a bot, and is now in the process of putting them back. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Wikipedia and a little piece of Python History
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Paddy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 21, 8:20 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John J. Lee) wrote: Paddy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I just had a link to Tim peters first post on doctest: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/msg/1c57cfb7b3772763 removed fromhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctestas it doesn't fit their guidelines for external links. I wonder, could maybe the official website be persuaded to host a copy so that it could be linked to? Tim, would you object? It (wikipedia) is a wiki, why not edit the page and paste it in? John They have rules, and periodically trawl pages and clean them. I'd like to stay within the rules. - Paddy. Phaseit would be honored to memorialize a permanent URL for that post, or even the thread from which it's taken. Is that an appropriate resolution, Paddy? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Wikipedia and a little piece of Python History
Paddy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mar 21, 8:20 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John J. Lee) wrote: Paddy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I just had a link to Tim peters first post on doctest: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/msg/1c57cfb7b3772763 removed fromhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctestas it doesn't fit their guidelines for external links. I wonder, could maybe the official website be persuaded to host a copy so that it could be linked to? Tim, would you object? It (wikipedia) is a wiki, why not edit the page and paste it in? John They have rules, and periodically trawl pages and clean them. I'd like to stay within the rules. Which rule would pasting in the post break? You've explained that *linking* to a non-permanent URL would break the rules. You haven't explained why *pasting in* the text of the post would break the rules (I don't say it wouldn't break them, I'm just curious). John -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Wikipedia and a little piece of Python History
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John J. Lee) writes: You've explained that *linking* to a non-permanent URL would break the rules. You haven't explained why *pasting in* the text of the post would break the rules (I don't say it wouldn't break them, I'm just curious). I've looked into this situation and I advise just not worrying about it for now. The link is likely to be restored pretty soon if it hasn't been already. If not, wait a day or two and then put it back. It was removed along with a zillion other Usenet links because someone got overzealous about spam reversion and turned an automatic script loose that removed all such links indiscriminately, including a lot that there wasn't anything wrong with. There was a discussion on the wiki about it, the person stopped the script, and is now (slowly) undoing the script's removals. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Wikipedia and a little piece of Python History
On Mar 21, 8:39 pm, Paul Rubin http://[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paddy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I just had a link to Tim peters first post on doctest: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/msg/1c57cfb7b3772763 removed fromhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctestas it doesn't fit their guidelines for external links. Just sit tight for a while. It looks like someone went a bit overboard removing those links with a bot, and is now in the process of putting them back. I could not wait, and have just reverted the page. Thanks guys. - Paddy. P.S. Now all I need is the time to reorganize The Duck Typing entry - The Explanation in the Talk section is better than the article itself :-) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Wikipedia and a little piece of Python History
On Mar 21, 10:31 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Cameron Laird) wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Paddy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 21, 8:20 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John J. Lee) wrote: Paddy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I just had a link to Tim peters first post on doctest: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/msg/1c57cfb7b3772763 removed fromhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctestasit doesn't fit their guidelines for external links. I wonder, could maybe the official website be persuaded to host a copy so that it could be linked to? Tim, would you object? It (wikipedia) is a wiki, why not edit the page and paste it in? John They have rules, and periodically trawl pages and clean them. I'd like to stay within the rules. - Paddy. Phaseit would be honored to memorialize a permanent URL for that post, or even the thread from which it's taken. Is that an appropriate resolution, Paddy? Thanks Cameron for the kind offer, but after Paul Ruben made me aware that the initial edit was done by a rogue 'bot, I reverted the page to its prior state. Maybe, if you email Tim, he might welcome you adding his post to your site anyway? - I think its wasted just being available as a newsgroup search, and should at least be available somewhere on the official Python website. Doctest is a great idea that is in harmony with the language it is expressed in. - Paddy. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
