Re: Win7. Why Don't Matplotlib, ... Show up in Control Panel Add-Remove?
Martin v. Loewis mar...@v.loewis.de writes: If you use the bdist_wininst, bdist_msi, or bdist_rpm distutils commands, you get packages which support uninstallations very well. bdist_deb? -- Vorrei andare a lavorare in Sicilia, a max 15 km dal mare. Con chi devo parlare? Col capomafia distrettuale? Oppure bisogna sporcarsi le mani e fare la tessera di FI? -- Marvin, in IFQ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Win7. Why Don't Matplotlib, ... Show up in Control Panel Add-Remove?
There's a discrepancy because package management on Python is completely broken. Distutils and Setuptools (and it's new fork, Distribute) are inadequate- they act as installers, but don't provide a way to uninstall the program. That's not true. If you use the bdist_wininst, bdist_msi, or bdist_rpm distutils commands, you get packages which support uninstallations very well. Regards, Martin -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Win7. Why Don't Matplotlib, ... Show up in Control Panel Add-Remove?
The basic answer is that nobody is in charge. There's nobody even trying to herd the third-party modules. Unlike CPAN, which has standards for Perl packages and some level of quality control, PyPi is just a link farm. Do the standards of CPAN also include uninstallation? To my knowledge, they don't: so how does it help to have standards, wrt. to the OP's question? Regards, Martin -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Win7. Why Don't Matplotlib, ... Show up in Control Panel Add-Remove?
On Aug 8, 9:54 pm, W. eWatson wolftra...@invalid.com wrote: On 8/8/2010 5:51 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: On Sun, 08 Aug 2010 16:15:45 -0700, W. eWatson wrote: To suggest Google as above, makes no sense to me. This is the place to ask, as another poster stated. He may have stated it, but the evidence suggests he's wrong. You're asking a question about the details of the installers used specifically by scipy andmatplotlib. Most people here have no idea about that, hence the lack of useful answers. The best likelihood of finding a solution is to go to a specialist forum, not a generic one. In any case, suggesting Google is *always* relevant. You gave us no reason at all to think that you had made any effort to solve the problem yourself before asking for us to volunteer our time. That's rude. Did you google for uninstall scipy before asking for help? Did you make any effort to read the Scipy manual first? Did you make any effort *at all*? If you had -- and for all we know, you might have spent days trying to solve this, or 3 seconds, or anything in between -- you didn't say so. Suggesting that you do some googling is absolutely relevant. Perhaps it's about time that we point you at this: http://catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html Idon'tagree with everything the author says, but the basic position is about right. For the last few hours, I've been on the scipy and numpy mail list, per a suggestion. No one seems to really understand uninstall there. Well. Your question has been answered on Numpy-discussion in February and again today on SciPy-users. I think Ben Caplan may have it right. You and I need go no further with this. We disagree--again. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Win7. Why Don't Matplotlib, ... Show up in Control Panel Add-Remove?
See Subject. I use matplotlib, scipy, numpy and possibly one other module. If I go to the control panel, I only see numpy listed. Why? I use a search and find only numpy and Python itself. How can matplotlib and scipy be uninstalled? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Win7. Why Don't Matplotlib, ... Show up in Control Panel Add-Remove?
On 08/08/2010 17:16, W. eWatson wrote: See Subject. I use matplotlib, scipy, numpy and possibly one other module. If I go to the control panel, I only see numpy listed. Why? I use a search and find only numpy and Python itself. How can matplotlib and scipy be uninstalled? Have you heard of google? Mark Lawrence. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Win7. Why Don't Matplotlib, ... Show up in Control Panel Add-Remove?
On 08/08/2010 10:16 AM, W. eWatson wrote: See Subject. I use matplotlib, scipy, numpy and possibly one other module. If I go to the control panel, I only see numpy listed. Why? I use a search and find only numpy and Python itself. How can matplotlib and scipy be uninstalled? The best way is probably to find the folders in site-packages that contain these modules and simply delete them. They will be self-contained in folders, so it should be a pretty clean delete. Or you could try just installing the versions you want on top of the existing versions. This should work, even for a downgrade. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Win7. Why Don't Matplotlib, ... Show up in Control Panel Add-Remove?
On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 12:51 PM, Mark Lawrence breamore...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: On 08/08/2010 17:16, W. eWatson wrote: See Subject. I use matplotlib, scipy, numpy and possibly one other module. If I go to the control panel, I only see numpy listed. Why? I use a search and find only numpy and Python itself. How can matplotlib and scipy be uninstalled? Have you heard of google? google is not relevant to this issue. This group is the correct forum. I'm not sure what the answer to the OP's problem is. If you no longer wish to use these modules I suggest doing nothing. No harm will result. If you want to upgrade just install the new version. If that doesn't work, file a bug report. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Win7. Why Don't Matplotlib, ... Show up in Control Panel Add-Remove?
On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 10:21 AM, David Robinow drobi...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 12:51 PM, Mark Lawrence breamore...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: On 08/08/2010 17:16, W. eWatson wrote: See Subject. I use matplotlib, scipy, numpy and possibly one other module. If I go to the control panel, I only see numpy listed. Why? I use a search and find only numpy and Python itself. How can matplotlib and scipy be uninstalled? Have you heard of google? google is not relevant to this issue. This group is the correct forum. I'm not sure what the answer to the OP's problem is. If you no longer wish to use these modules I suggest doing nothing. No harm will result. Since this is specifically a matplotlib and scipy question, the most relevant forums would be the matplotlib and scipy mailing lists. The maintainers of those projects are probably on those lists, and they'll be able to answer this question better than we can since they know what the installers do in the first place. https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/matplotlib-users http://mail.scipy.org/mailman/listinfo/scipy-user -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Win7. Why Don't Matplotlib, ... Show up in Control Panel Add-Remove?
On 8/8/2010 10:56 AM, Benjamin Kaplan wrote: On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 10:21 AM, David Robinowdrobi...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 12:51 PM, Mark Lawrencebreamore...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: On 08/08/2010 17:16, W. eWatson wrote: See Subject. I use matplotlib, scipy, numpy and possibly one other module. If I go to the control panel, I only see numpy listed. Why? I use a search and find only numpy and Python itself. How can matplotlib and scipy be uninstalled? Have you heard of google? google is not relevant to this issue. This group is the correct forum. I'm not sure what the answer to the OP's problem is. If you no longer wish to use these modules I suggest doing nothing. No harm will result. Since this is specifically a matplotlib and scipy question, the most relevant forums would be the matplotlib and scipy mailing lists. The maintainers of those projects are probably on those lists, and they'll be able to answer this question better than we can since they know what the installers do in the first place. https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/matplotlib-users http://mail.scipy.org/mailman/listinfo/scipy-user Well, you have a good point, and I will do that. However, I'm surprised there doesn't seem to be some uniformity on this subject. Yes, removing them directly is an option, but I prefer to find out why the discrepancy? BTW, I really do not plan to remove them now. The anomaly does deserve an answer. To suggest Google as above, makes no sense to me. This is the place to ask, as another poster stated. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Win7. Why Don't Matplotlib, ... Show up in Control Panel Add-Remove?
On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 4:15 PM, W. eWatson wolftra...@invalid.com wrote: On 8/8/2010 10:56 AM, Benjamin Kaplan wrote: On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 10:21 AM, David Robinowdrobi...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 12:51 PM, Mark Lawrencebreamore...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: On 08/08/2010 17:16, W. eWatson wrote: See Subject. I use matplotlib, scipy, numpy and possibly one other module. If I go to the control panel, I only see numpy listed. Why? I use a search and find only numpy and Python itself. How can matplotlib and scipy be uninstalled? Have you heard of google? google is not relevant to this issue. This group is the correct forum. I'm not sure what the answer to the OP's problem is. If you no longer wish to use these modules I suggest doing nothing. No harm will result. Since this is specifically a matplotlib and scipy question, the most relevant forums would be the matplotlib and scipy mailing lists. The maintainers of those projects are probably on those lists, and they'll be able to answer this question better than we can since they know what the installers do in the first place. https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/matplotlib-users http://mail.scipy.org/mailman/listinfo/scipy-user Well, you have a good point, and I will do that. However, I'm surprised there doesn't seem to be some uniformity on this subject. Yes, removing them directly is an option, but I prefer to find out why the discrepancy? BTW, I really do not plan to remove them now. The anomaly does deserve an answer. There's a discrepancy because package management on Python is completely broken. Distutils and Setuptools (and it's new fork, Distribute) are inadequate- they act as installers, but don't provide a way to uninstall the program. There are attempts to fix this, such as pip and Activestate's PyPM, but they aren't used as widely as the older methods. To suggest Google as above, makes no sense to me. This is the place to ask, as another poster stated. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Win7. Why Don't Matplotlib, ... Show up in Control Panel Add-Remove?
On Sun, 08 Aug 2010 13:21:55 -0400, David Robinow wrote: On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 12:51 PM, Mark Lawrence breamore...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: On 08/08/2010 17:16, W. eWatson wrote: See Subject. I use matplotlib, scipy, numpy and possibly one other module. If I go to the control panel, I only see numpy listed. Why? I use a search and find only numpy and Python itself. How can matplotlib and scipy be uninstalled? Have you heard of google? google is not relevant to this issue. This group is the correct forum. I would have thought that people who hang around dedicated forums for matplotlib and scipy would probably have more knowledge about the workings of the matplotlib and scipy installers than generic Python programmers, most of whom have never touched or used matplotlib or scipy. I'm not sure what the answer to the OP's problem is. Oh the irony. -- Steven -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Win7. Why Don't Matplotlib, ... Show up in Control Panel Add-Remove?
On Sun, 08 Aug 2010 16:15:45 -0700, W. eWatson wrote: To suggest Google as above, makes no sense to me. This is the place to ask, as another poster stated. He may have stated it, but the evidence suggests he's wrong. You're asking a question about the details of the installers used specifically by scipy and matplotlib. Most people here have no idea about that, hence the lack of useful answers. The best likelihood of finding a solution is to go to a specialist forum, not a generic one. In any case, suggesting Google is *always* relevant. You gave us no reason at all to think that you had made any effort to solve the problem yourself before asking for us to volunteer our time. That's rude. Did you google for uninstall scipy before asking for help? Did you make any effort to read the Scipy manual first? Did you make any effort *at all*? If you had -- and for all we know, you might have spent days trying to solve this, or 3 seconds, or anything in between -- you didn't say so. Suggesting that you do some googling is absolutely relevant. Perhaps it's about time that we point you at this: http://catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html I don't agree with everything the author says, but the basic position is about right. -- Steven -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Win7. Why Don't Matplotlib, ... Show up in Control Panel Add-Remove?
On 8/8/2010 5:51 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: On Sun, 08 Aug 2010 16:15:45 -0700, W. eWatson wrote: To suggest Google as above, makes no sense to me. This is the place to ask, as another poster stated. He may have stated it, but the evidence suggests he's wrong. You're asking a question about the details of the installers used specifically by scipy and matplotlib. Most people here have no idea about that, hence the lack of useful answers. The best likelihood of finding a solution is to go to a specialist forum, not a generic one. In any case, suggesting Google is *always* relevant. You gave us no reason at all to think that you had made any effort to solve the problem yourself before asking for us to volunteer our time. That's rude. Did you google for uninstall scipy before asking for help? Did you make any effort to read the Scipy manual first? Did you make any effort *at all*? If you had -- and for all we know, you might have spent days trying to solve this, or 3 seconds, or anything in between -- you didn't say so. Suggesting that you do some googling is absolutely relevant. Perhaps it's about time that we point you at this: http://catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html I don't agree with everything the author says, but the basic position is about right. For the last few hours, I've been on the scipy and numpy mail list, per a suggestion. No one seems to really understand uninstall there. I think Ben Caplan may have it right. You and I need go no further with this. We disagree--again. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Win7. Why Don't Matplotlib, ... Show up in Control Panel Add-Remove?
On 8/8/2010 9:51 AM, Mark Lawrence wrote: On 08/08/2010 17:16, W. eWatson wrote: See Subject. I use matplotlib, scipy, numpy and possibly one other module. If I go to the control panel, I only see numpy listed. Why? I use a search and find only numpy and Python itself. How can matplotlib and scipy be uninstalled? Have you heard of google? Mark Lawrence. It's a legitimate question. It might be framed as why does Python package management not play well with the platform's package management system? Which is a reasonable enough question. On Windows, some packages play well with Add/Remove programs, and some don't. On Linux, some packages play well with Yum, and some don't. The basic answer is that nobody is in charge. There's nobody even trying to herd the third-party modules. Unlike CPAN, which has standards for Perl packages and some level of quality control, PyPi is just a link farm. John Nagle -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
