Re: dictionary containing a list
Fredrik Lundh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve Holden wrote: One of the fascinating things about c.l.py is that sometimes a questin will be posted that makes almost no sense to me, and somebody else will casually read the OP's mind, home in on the issue and provide a useful and relevant answer. if the assertions made by some about the documentation's unsuit- ability for some are in fact true, that's probably some kind of natural selection in action. /F LOL - Whining about documentation is what programmers do - its driven by the fact that the docs and the implementation are never in sync, except on something that is either trivial, or as old as the hills... And it does not matter if the software is free and open source, or bought at great expense - there are always these differences - sometimes niggly, and often major - it sometimes looks as if the docs were a statement of intent, with the implementation taking a left turn at the first crossroads. - Hendrik - Hendrik -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: dictionary containing a list
I think what you mean is that if you change your list, it is changed
somewhere in your dicrionary to. Lists are always copied as pointers,
except explicitly told other wise. So a = b = [] makes a and be the
same list, and a.append(1) makes b - [1].
So do something like mydict[mykey] = mylist[:] (Slicing gives a copy
of the list, not the pointer).
Hope this helps.
Moi
Dolf
Ah -this is exactly what I was doing wrong -thaks very much! Aologies
also for not posting sooner, I have been away for a few days.
Thanks for all of your help,
Ben
On 6 Oc
John Machin wrote:
Steve Holden wrote:
John Machin wrote:
Ben wrote:
Hello...
I have set up a dictionary into whose values I am putting a list. I
loop around and around filling my list each time with new values, then
dumping this list into the dictionary. Or so I thought...
It would appear that what I am dumping into the dictionary value is
only a pointer to the original list, so after all my iterations all I
have is a dictionary whose every value is equal to that of the list the
final time I looped around :-(
Is there a way to acheive what I was attempting ? I have done something
almost identical with classes in a list before, and in that case a new
instance was created for each list entry...
I hope this makes some sense, and doesn't seem to head bangingly
simple...
Do you consult your physician over a video link while wearing a ninja
costume down an unlit coal mine at midnight?
Please consider the possibility that your description of what you think
your code might be doing is not enough for diagnosis.
You may need to supply:
(1) a listing of your code
(2) a small amount of input data
e.g. [(1, 'foo'), (42, 'bar'), (1, 'zot')]
(3) the output you expect from that input:
e.g. {1: ['foo', 'zot'], 42: ['bar']}
One of the fascinating things about c.l.py is that sometimes a questin
will be posted that makes almost no sense to me, and somebody else will
casually read the OP's mind, home in on the issue and provide a useful
and relevant answer.
In this case it seems transparent to me, though probably not to you,
that Ben's problem is rootd in the following behaviour, well-known in
python but frequently confusing to noobs:
a = [1, 2, 3]
firstlist = a
a.append('another element')
firstlist
[1, 2, 3, 'another element']
It's quite transparent to me that his symptom is caused by the one list
being used throughout the exercise, instead of one per different dict
key. What you have described is one possibility.
Here's another possibility: Making the charitable assumption that he
has an outer loop and an inner loop, maybe (as I think another poster
has already suggested) all he needs to do is move mylist = [] inside
the outer loop. Note that he doesn't say explicitly whether the one
list that he gets is the *correct* list for the last key, or whether
it's the catenation of all the correct lists, or something else.
Yet another: Noobs do all sorts of funny things. He could be operating
on a clean the bucket out after each use instead making a new one
paradigm:
| d= {}
| L = []
| L.append(1)
| L.append(2)
| d['a'] = L
| d
| {'a': [1, 2]}
| del L[:]
| d
| {'a': []}
| L.append(3)
| L.append(4)
| d['b'] = L
| d
| {'a': [3, 4], 'b': [3, 4]}
Cheers,
John
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Re: dictionary containing a list
John Machin wrote:
Ben wrote:
Hello...
I have set up a dictionary into whose values I am putting a list. I
loop around and around filling my list each time with new values, then
dumping this list into the dictionary. Or so I thought...
It would appear that what I am dumping into the dictionary value is
only a pointer to the original list, so after all my iterations all I
have is a dictionary whose every value is equal to that of the list the
final time I looped around :-(
Is there a way to acheive what I was attempting ? I have done something
almost identical with classes in a list before, and in that case a new
instance was created for each list entry...
I hope this makes some sense, and doesn't seem to head bangingly
simple...
Do you consult your physician over a video link while wearing a ninja
costume down an unlit coal mine at midnight?
Please consider the possibility that your description of what you think
your code might be doing is not enough for diagnosis.
You may need to supply:
(1) a listing of your code
(2) a small amount of input data
e.g. [(1, 'foo'), (42, 'bar'), (1, 'zot')]
(3) the output you expect from that input:
e.g. {1: ['foo', 'zot'], 42: ['bar']}
One of the fascinating things about c.l.py is that sometimes a questin
will be posted that makes almost no sense to me, and somebody else will
casually read the OP's mind, home in on the issue and provide a useful
and relevant answer.
In this case it seems transparent to me, though probably not to you,
that Ben's problem is rootd in the following behaviour, well-known in
python but frequently confusing to noobs:
a = [1, 2, 3]
firstlist = a
a.append('another element')
firstlist
[1, 2, 3, 'another element']
Ben probably needs to look at creating copies using the list() type:
a = [1, 2, 3]
firstlist = list(a)
a.append('another element')
firstlist
[1, 2, 3]
or perhaps, in omore complex circumstances, using the copy module.
regards
Steve
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Re: dictionary containing a list
Steve Holden wrote: One of the fascinating things about c.l.py is that sometimes a questin will be posted that makes almost no sense to me, and somebody else will casually read the OP's mind, home in on the issue and provide a useful and relevant answer. if the assertions made by some about the documentation's unsuit- ability for some are in fact true, that's probably some kind of natural selection in action. /F -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: dictionary containing a list
Steve Holden wrote:
John Machin wrote:
Ben wrote:
Hello...
I have set up a dictionary into whose values I am putting a list. I
loop around and around filling my list each time with new values, then
dumping this list into the dictionary. Or so I thought...
It would appear that what I am dumping into the dictionary value is
only a pointer to the original list, so after all my iterations all I
have is a dictionary whose every value is equal to that of the list the
final time I looped around :-(
Is there a way to acheive what I was attempting ? I have done something
almost identical with classes in a list before, and in that case a new
instance was created for each list entry...
I hope this makes some sense, and doesn't seem to head bangingly
simple...
Do you consult your physician over a video link while wearing a ninja
costume down an unlit coal mine at midnight?
Please consider the possibility that your description of what you think
your code might be doing is not enough for diagnosis.
You may need to supply:
(1) a listing of your code
(2) a small amount of input data
e.g. [(1, 'foo'), (42, 'bar'), (1, 'zot')]
(3) the output you expect from that input:
e.g. {1: ['foo', 'zot'], 42: ['bar']}
One of the fascinating things about c.l.py is that sometimes a questin
will be posted that makes almost no sense to me, and somebody else will
casually read the OP's mind, home in on the issue and provide a useful
and relevant answer.
In this case it seems transparent to me, though probably not to you,
that Ben's problem is rootd in the following behaviour, well-known in
python but frequently confusing to noobs:
a = [1, 2, 3]
firstlist = a
a.append('another element')
firstlist
[1, 2, 3, 'another element']
It's quite transparent to me that his symptom is caused by the one list
being used throughout the exercise, instead of one per different dict
key. What you have described is one possibility.
Here's another possibility: Making the charitable assumption that he
has an outer loop and an inner loop, maybe (as I think another poster
has already suggested) all he needs to do is move mylist = [] inside
the outer loop. Note that he doesn't say explicitly whether the one
list that he gets is the *correct* list for the last key, or whether
it's the catenation of all the correct lists, or something else.
Yet another: Noobs do all sorts of funny things. He could be operating
on a clean the bucket out after each use instead making a new one
paradigm:
| d= {}
| L = []
| L.append(1)
| L.append(2)
| d['a'] = L
| d
| {'a': [1, 2]}
| del L[:]
| d
| {'a': []}
| L.append(3)
| L.append(4)
| d['b'] = L
| d
| {'a': [3, 4], 'b': [3, 4]}
Cheers,
John
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dictionary containing a list
Hello... I have set up a dictionary into whose values I am putting a list. I loop around and around filling my list each time with new values, then dumping this list into the dictionary. Or so I thought... It would appear that what I am dumping into the dictionary value is only a pointer to the original list, so after all my iterations all I have is a dictionary whose every value is equal to that of the list the final time I looped around :-( Is there a way to acheive what I was attempting ? I have done something almost identical with classes in a list before, and in that case a new instance was created for each list entry... I hope this makes some sense, and doesn't seem to head bangingly simple... Cheers, Ben -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: dictionary containing a list
Ben wrote:
Hello...
I have set up a dictionary into whose values I am putting a list. I
loop around and around filling my list each time with new values, then
dumping this list into the dictionary. Or so I thought...
It would appear that what I am dumping into the dictionary value is
only a pointer to the original list, so after all my iterations all I
have is a dictionary whose every value is equal to that of the list the
final time I looped around :-(
Is there a way to acheive what I was attempting ? I have done something
almost identical with classes in a list before, and in that case a new
instance was created for each list entry...
I hope this makes some sense, and doesn't seem to head bangingly
simple...
Do you consult your physician over a video link while wearing a ninja
costume down an unlit coal mine at midnight?
Please consider the possibility that your description of what you think
your code might be doing is not enough for diagnosis.
You may need to supply:
(1) a listing of your code
(2) a small amount of input data
e.g. [(1, 'foo'), (42, 'bar'), (1, 'zot')]
(3) the output you expect from that input:
e.g. {1: ['foo', 'zot'], 42: ['bar']}
Cheers,
John
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Re: dictionary containing a list
Ben [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have set up a dictionary into whose values I am putting a list. I loop around and around filling my list each time with new values, then dumping this list into the dictionary. Or so I thought... Our crystal balls are notoriously unreliable for viewing program code that hasn't been posted. -- \ For man, as for flower and beast and bird, the supreme triumph | `\ is to be most vividly, most perfectly alive -- D.H. Lawrence. | _o__) | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: dictionary containing a list
Ben wrote: I have set up a dictionary into whose values I am putting a list. I loop around and around filling my list each time with new values, then dumping this list into the dictionary. Or so I thought... It would appear that what I am dumping into the dictionary value is only a pointer to the original list, so after all my iterations all I have is a dictionary whose every value is equal to that of the list the final time I looped around :-( Is there a way to acheive what I was attempting ? Where you loop around ... filling [your] list, use a new list every time. You can create a new empty list with []. -- --Bryan -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: dictionary containing a list
On 6 Oct 2006 14:37:59 -0700, Ben [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there a way to acheive what I was attempting ? I have done something almost identical with classes in a list before, and in that case a new instance was created for each list entry... Not sure what you're trying to pull off, but you may wish to copy the items in question. (Questions indeed!). Dictionarys have their own shallow copy method, surprisingly named copy, and there is also a copy module that does shallow and deep copy (copy and deepcopy, resp.) HTH, Theerasak -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: dictionary containing a list
I think what you mean is that if you change your list, it is changed somewhere in your dicrionary to. Lists are always copied as pointers, except explicitly told other wise. So a = b = [] makes a and be the same list, and a.append(1) makes b - [1]. So do something like mydict[mykey] = mylist[:] (Slicing gives a copy of the list, not the pointer). Hope this helps. Moi Dolf On 6 Oct 2006 14:37:59 -0700, Ben [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello... I have set up a dictionary into whose values I am putting a list. I loop around and around filling my list each time with new values, then dumping this list into the dictionary. Or so I thought... It would appear that what I am dumping into the dictionary value is only a pointer to the original list, so after all my iterations all I have is a dictionary whose every value is equal to that of the list the final time I looped around :-( Is there a way to acheive what I was attempting ? I have done something almost identical with classes in a list before, and in that case a new instance was created for each list entry... I hope this makes some sense, and doesn't seem to head bangingly simple... Cheers, Ben -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
